Conservative Leadership September 10th

[Infidel Dog]

Pierre is mainstream. It's the media, their gullibles and the progressive socialists they support that are extreme. Don't let them gaslight you Jack.

Hey, did you watch Pierre's wife introduce him? She's a cutie

[Jack9000]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Pierre is mainstream. It's the media, their gullibles and the progressive socialists they support that are extreme. Don't let them gaslight you Jack.

Hey, did you watch Pierre's wife introduce him? She's a cutie

pierre is not mainstream lmao.. hes a  right winger/reformist who at times plays  to the far right wackos  in soceity. that wont  translate to winning in ontario he will need to switch   a little bit.   i could care less about his wife..  lol

Edited September 11, 2022 by Jack9000

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Jack9000 said:

pierre is not mainstream lmao.. hes a  right winder who at times plays  to the far right wackos  in soceity. that wont  translate to winning in ontario he will need to switch   a little bit.   i could care less about his wife..  lol

He's a populist. That is mainstream. The elite in charge don't think so is all. So they try to BS us into believing black is white. 

[sharkman]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Pierre is mainstream. It's the media, their gullibles and the progressive socialists they support that are extreme. Don't let them gaslight you Jack.

Hey, did you watch Pierre's wife introduce him? She's a cutie

Yeah, I was skeptical of him a few months back, but he won me over.  The country has seen where a left of center PM will take us, which has been scary at times.  The cycle is going to swing back the other way, let's hope Poilievre makes the most of it.

[Jack9000]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

He's a populist. That is mainstream. The elite in charge don't think so is all. So they try to BS us into believing black is white. 

populist isn't mainstream you clown jesus christ.. wake up from your dreamland dude.

[Jack9000]

2 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Yeah, I was skeptical of him a few months back, but he won me over.  The country has seen where a left of center PM will take us, which has been scary at times.  The cycle is going to swing back the other way, let's hope Poilievre makes the most of it.

pass..   harper 1.0  for 9 years was bad enough for  atlantic canada  rather not see 2.0  who is probably even worse then harper. voted ndp in 2019 cause i didnt care if otoole beat trudeau he was centrist and could of lived with  him being pm.. but with poilevre   as leader my vote is  already 99%   in liberals corner for next election lol..

Edited September 11, 2022 by Jack9000

[Infidel Dog]

Just now, Jack9000 said:

populist isn't mainstream you clown jesus christ.. wake up from your dreamland dude.

You know how you know a populist is mainstream? When they win.

And I was trying real hard not to make this personal. Thanks for the release you gullible, NPC clown.

[Jack9000]

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

You know how you know a populist is mainstream? When they win.

And I was trying real hard not to make this personal. Thanks for the release you gullible, NPC clown.

he won the conservative leadership who has been slowly moving towards  trumpism the last few years so thats no suprise lmao.. erin otoole  tried to save the party  from it but they stabbed him in the back and here we are...  doesn't mean populism is mainstream.. just means the partys base  got no brains basically .

Edited September 11, 2022 by Jack9000

[sharkman]

23 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

pass..   harper 1.0  for 9 years was bad enough for  atlantic canada  rather not see 2.0  who is probably even worse then harper. voted ndp in 2019 cause i didnt care if otoole beat trudeau he was centrist and could of lived with  him being pm.. but with poilevre   as leader my vote is  already 99%   in liberals corner for next election lol..

Yeah, fine.  Vote for someone else.  Withhold your vote.  No one cares, Jack.  Hold your breath if that makes you feel better, but none of us conservatives care what you do with your particular vote.

[myata]

I get it. "Centrist" means total a-anything. Just there for the power, sorry. No distinct or distinguishable features, an absolutely round opaque sphere here it is blue, and there, red. Make your meaningful choice. This is what this country's politics is inevitably circling to. Do you know what the "parties" were about? Why did we, forget it, a functional democracy need them? Who cares! Isn't it about perfect as it is? Why change anything, here, translated: quid muto.

Edited September 11, 2022 by myata

[Jack9000]

5 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Yeah, fine.  Vote for someone else.  Withhold your vote.  No one cares, Jack.  Hold your breath if that makes you feel better, but none of us conservatives care what you do with your particular vote.

reformist* you mean.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

You know how you know a populist is mainstream? When they win.

And I was trying real hard not to make this personal. Thanks for the release you gullible, NPC clown.

The Conservatives haven't won anything yet.

[RedDog]

Franco Phoney. No thanks (again). Get Alberta out.

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Conservatives haven't won anything yet.

Stick around...

[Nefarious Banana]

Federal NDP are done.  Jagmeet Singh's a fool and a Liberal.

Hoping Justin Trudeau takes a walk into a snowbank like his uncle Pierre Trudeau did.

[betsy]

Poilievre is going to be our next Prime Minister.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Poilievre is going to be our next Prime Minister.

Maybe, but our system needs positive leaders to win majorities, except for rare examples.

He will have to build political connections to groups that people disparage and insult on these pages: minority religious groups, ethnic groups, the irreligious, and voters in eastern Canada who are reluctant to try new ideas.

Journalist Justin Ling predicts a low, dirty campaign from the main two parties.  That could help the NDP but not enough to win.

I sense that people are tired of Trudeau's face and could give Poilievre a minority but to keep it he would have to go more centrist than Doug Ford did.

Trudeau will campaign on "Poilievre is Hitler everybody" and that won't work, although I hate to make predictions.  Maybe it will.

It's hard to believe that in the face of all our problems we will have to withstand a campaign that stays away from substance but maybe Ling is right.

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Poilievre is going to be our next Prime Minister.

IF he turns into a leader instead of a whining little boy.

IF he can actually come up with real policy instead of complaining abut everything.

IF can get an understanding of the real world.

IF Trudeau does not promise too much to the millennials again.

 

[myata]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

but our system needs positive leaders to win majorities, except for rare examples.

Traditionally: the answer before the question. Why does it need? Does "our system" mean same as "our country" and its citizens (and their interests?).

And by the way, remind please when was the time that "we" created this "our" system? Like in the depths of history, some countries actually created theirs? Sure we can play in this "our" system all we like but can it be changed (in any meaningful, non trivial way) by us, being (supposedly) "our"? Isn't it worth even a tiny bit of reflection?

Edited September 11, 2022 by myata

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, Jack9000 said:

populist isn't mainstream you clown jesus christ.. wake up from your dreamland dude.

By almost any measure Justin Trudeau is a populist.

[sharkman]

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

By almost any measure Justin Trudeau is a populist.

JT is the result of a ruined child born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  Whatever his image is, it’s been carefully cultivated by his handlers and allies in the media.  But it’s an empty shell.  

Whatever he does, he better stay away from debating in parliament with Pierre Poilievre.  The guy is a gifted orator who will expose Justin for the empty suit that he is.  Plus, there are so many Trudeau fails to pick from.

No doubt the JT media allies will go on attack mode next week in an attempt to protect Trudeau.  It’s going to be fun watching the show.  Got your popcorn?

Edit:  I know, exflyer.  The truth hurts, best to stay in denial…

Edited September 11, 2022 by sharkman

[I am Groot]

There are things I don't like about Poilievre, primarily regarding his support of the truckers and his spouting nonsense about the WEF and cryptocurrency. I trust he's lost his interest in the latter after the price collapse over the past few months, though. As for his opposition to mandates we shouldn't forget Trudeau was also opposed to them prior to the last election campaign. He said they'd be too divisive. But when the Conservatives pulled ahead in early polls he quickly embraced them, divisive or not. 

Most of the things Poilievre talks about are pretty mainstream. And attacking big government, red tape, taxes and the deficit are bedrock conservatism. He is absolutely right when he says the biggest brake on housing development is the network of regulations imposed by municipalities on builders. It takes far too many years to get permission to build anything in this country, and there are too many restrictions on what and where. All of that adds enormously to the price of housing. His determination to cut through the process to get natural resources projects launched and to get them to markets is also standard conservatism. And as the economy sours I suspect that will get a lot more support.

I see people assuming he can't win the cities, but this is a mistake. He doesn't need the cities. He needs the suburbs and exurbs. Which are filled with immigrants. Poilievre is an immigrant friendly leader married to an immigrant. Immigrants, by and large, come from very conservative patriarchal societies and have a preference for men they see as 'strong'. Scheer certainly wasn't that, nor O'Toole and his flipflops. I suspect Poilievre will poll quite well among immigrant groups.

His French is also quite good, far better than any of his predecessors save Mulroney. Can he pick up seats in Quebec? The CAQ is certainly not a left wing party and Quebecers love them. There seems to be very little affection for Trudeau in Quebec. Well, or anywhere, really. Insipient Trudeaumania faded away awfully fast when his phoniness became impossible to ignore. Poilievre gave quite a respectable speech the other night but he needs a majority, or very close to one to get into office. The NDP rejected any cooperation with his predecessor despite how mainstream he was. They have become an adjunct to the Liberals and if the two parties win enough seats he will support Trudeau as PM again. That means he either needs a majority or the support of the BQ. Which he might well get.

[sharkman]

A lot will happen between now and an election.  Trudeau is being forced to change Canada’ s currency to a digital one, by this December.  This will allow the government to see what you are spending your money on.  
 

Good luck with that one, JT.  I can imagine the election debates with more Canadians’ bank accounts frozen.

Edited September 11, 2022 by sharkman

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

 

IF can get an understanding of the real world.

Don't underestimate him.  He's never had a real job, so there's potential for him now that he has to design actual policy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, myata said:

1. Why does it need? Does "our system" mean same as "our country" and its citizens (and their interests?).

2. And by the way, remind please when was the time that "we" created this "our" system? Like in the depths of history, some countries actually created theirs? Sure we can play in this "our" system all we like but can it be changed (in any meaningful, non trivial way) by us, being (supposedly) "our"? Isn't it worth even a tiny bit of reflection?

1. Sorry, I used unclear wording.  There just aren't enough people to get angry about any single issue to support an anger politician.  Not that poilievre is going to be such a candidate.

2. Yes, absolutely I agree.  But organized around ideas and principles not people.  Eventually every politician develops baggage.