Conservative Leadership September 10th

[PIK]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Many? Like whom?

Most Albertans.

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, PIK said:

Most Albertans.

Ottawa is bribing Quebec with their money

in that sense they aren't wrong

[RedDog]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

Alberta does not pay the bills for everyone. That's a myth.

Perfect. Then you have no issue with returning the money.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, RedDog said:

Perfect. Then you have no issue with returning the money.

Vive le Alberta libre

[Nationalist]

36 minutes ago, PIK said:

Most Albertans.

Lol...

[TreeBeard]

40 minutes ago, RedDog said:

Perfect. Then you have no issue with returning the money.

You don’t think Albertans should pay federal income tax?

[RedDog]

8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t think Albertans should pay federal income tax?

Not at all. Every party should pay equally. Outright rape and pillage is a whole other matter.

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You don’t think Albertans should pay federal income tax?

he's talking about transfer payments

[TreeBeard]

6 minutes ago, RedDog said:

Not at all. Every party should pay equally. Outright rape and pillage is a whole other matter.

Someone in AB pays the same rates as someone in ON.  
 

So what money are you talking about that should be repaid to AB?

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

he's talking about transfer payments

Transfer payments are a federal spending issue, not a taxation issue.  Nor is it money to be “repaid”. 
 

The AB premier was the finance minister within the federal government who was the one responsible for the entire transfer payment scheme, wasn’t he?  

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Transfer payments are a federal spending issue, not a taxation issue.  Nor is it money to be “repaid”. 
 

The AB premier was the finance minister within the federal government who was the one responsible for the entire transfer payment scheme, wasn’t he?  

equalization payments are essentially bribing some provinces with other provinces money

the federal government can't spend the money without getting it from taxation

what you would prefer to call it isn't relevant

Edited September 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

equalization payments are essentially bribing some provinces with other provinces money

the federal government can't spend the money without getting it from taxation

your semantics games are irrelevant

There is a formula. If AB wasn’t so wealthy, they would receive funds.  
 

And the AB premier was the one to come up with the latest formula. 
 

Those aren’t semantics.  

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

There is a formula. If AB wasn’t so wealthy, they would receive funds.  
 

And the AB premier was the one to come up with the latest formula. 
 

Those aren’t semantics.  

the fact remains that Alberta pays and Quebec receives the bribe money

and unsurprisingly

many Albertans rightfully don't like that arrangement

Edited September 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the fact remains that Alberta pays and Quebec receives the bribe money

and unsurprisingly

many Albertans rightfully don't like that arrangement

Don’t for the Conservatives then maybe?   They were the ones who came up with the formula. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Don’t for the Conservatives then maybe?   They were the ones who came up with the formula. 

equalization payments are lame af

who came up with them is besides the point

the point is Alberta is being punished by them

and many Albertans don't like it

stop moving the goalposts

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

equalization payments are lame af

who came up with them is besides the point

the point is Alberta is being punished by them

and many Albertans don't like it

stop moving the goalposts

AB is the richest province in Canada.  No party is going to get rid of them.  Kenney, as Finance Minister, didn’t even try….  The Conservatives were all for them.  
 

Im not moving goalposts, I’m using facts, rather than hysterics.  

[Queenmandy85]

Mr. Poillievre comes from the "Reform " party of Preston Manning who's hero was the republican President Lincoln. Manning's reform is just another name for Social Credit. That is the gang that stabbed the Conservative government in the back, by voting against privatizing PetroCanada and against paying off the deficit created by Pierre Trudeau and John Turner, thus putting Trudeau and Turner back in office. Don't ever forget the expropriation (theft) of BC Electric, a privately owned profitable corporation tha provided good service and replaced it with the debt ridden, bloated bureaucratic state owned corporation the gives poor service at exorbitant prices. That is socialism at its worst. Let us never forget Major Douglas' funny money. Now we call it "crypto-currency" but it is still funny money. Let's not forget the corruption of the Socreds. We suffered through the Aberharts, the Mannings, the Bennetts, the Caouettes and now Pierre Poillievre. This is not to say Mr. Poillievre is a crook. He is clearly an honest man, but if I want a bolshevik government, I'll vote for Liz Rowley and the Communist Party of Canada- Marxist Leninist. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[ExFlyer]

34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

equalization payments are essentially bribing some provinces with other provinces money

the federal government can't spend the money without getting it from taxation

what you would prefer to call it isn't relevant

There is no "provinces money". It is all taxpayer money and by that, most of the population is in Ontario and Quebec thereby, most of the equalization money comes from Ontario and Quebec taxpayers..

[Queenmandy85]

If Mr. Poillievre's Socreds had not put Pierre Trudeau back in office, we would not have had the National Energy Poilcy

[Queenmandy85]

27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There is no "provinces money". It is all taxpayer money and by that, most of the population is in Ontario and Quebec thereby, most of the equalization money comes from Ontario and Quebec taxpayers..

The wealth of Ontario, and Alberta is not because their people are more industrious. It is due to geography. Most Canadians live by the Great Lakes and the Seaway because that is a product of geography. Alberta and Saskatchewan are wealthy because we sit on top of a rapidly deminishing oil reserve and a huge deposit of uranium. These resourses belong to the Crown. The Crown collects the taxes and distributes the money to where it is needed. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. Poillievre comes from the "Reform " party of Preston Manning who's hero was the republican President Lincoln. Manning's reform is just another name for Social Credit. That is the gang that stabbed the Conservative government in the back, by voting against privatizing PetroCanada and against paying off the deficit created by Pierre Trudeau and John Turner, thus putting Trudeau and Turner back in office. Don't ever forget the expropriation (theft) of BC Electric, a privately owned profitable corporation tha provided good service and replaced it with the debt ridden, bloated bureaucratic state owned corporation the gives poor service at exorbitant prices. That is socialism at its worst. Let us never forget Major Douglas' funny money. Now we call it "crypto-currency" but it is still funny money. Let's not forget the corruption of the Socreds. We suffered through the Aberharts, the Mannings, the Bennetts, the Caouettes and now Pierre Poillievre. This is not to say Mr. Poillievre is a crook. He is clearly an honest man, but if I want a bolshevik government, I'll vote for Liz Rowley and the Communist Party of Canada- Marxist Leninist. 

If I'm not mistaken...it was the Saskatchewan SCs that first introduced provincial Healthcare, which eventually became our current Healthcare system.

Anyway...because the Conservatives left Bernier no other choice, Poliviere is the next best hope, and WAY better than the 2 previous twits...and Pixie-Dust.

Today...his platform is rather air tight. Let Canada do Canada. Do away with harmful policy that strangles Canada. 

Sounds better than a lecture on the evils of gasoline...followed by inflation. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Nationalist

[TreeBeard]

38 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If Mr. Poillievre's Socreds had not put Pierre Trudeau back in office, we would not have had the National Energy Poilcy

Do you think it’s helpful to describe someone in terms of the party they might have identified with 40 years ago?  Why the need for this historical pigeon-holing, which actually has confused one of the posters who thought you were calling PP a socialist.  

Do you still call the NDP the CCF?

PP wasn’t even alive yet when the events you post of happened.  

Edited September 6, 2022 by TreeBeard

[TreeBeard]

33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The wealth of Ontario, and Alberta is not because their people are more industrious. It is due to geography. Most Canadians live by the Great Lakes and the Seaway because that is a product of geography. Alberta and Saskatchewan are wealthy because we sit on top of a rapidly deminishing oil reserve and a huge deposit of uranium. These resourses belong to the Crown. The Crown collects the taxes and distributes the money to where it is needed. 

Great comment.  There is nothing inherently Albertan about working….  Much of the workforce in the tar-sands is not from Alberta.  

[PIK]

2 hours ago, RedDog said:

Perfect. Then you have no issue with returning the money.

What money? You can look it up and see how much money Alberta gets. And Ont carried the nation's ass for many yrs also and we didn't complain. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by PIK

[ExFlyer]

33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The wealth of Ontario, and Alberta is not because their people are more industrious. It is due to geography. Most Canadians live by the Great Lakes and the Seaway because that is a product of geography. Alberta and Saskatchewan are wealthy because we sit on top of a rapidly deminishing oil reserve and a huge deposit of uranium. These resourses belong to the Crown. The Crown collects the taxes and distributes the money to where it is needed. 

The "wealth" of Ontario and Alberta are not applicable here.

Yes, Alberta is "wealthy" in resources but Ontario (and Quebec) is "wealthy" in people. They are the primary taxpayers.

It is government tax money that is distributed in equalization payments. Over 50% of the money the government gets comes form individual taxpayers (another large amount comes form payroll taxes).

Resources are a minor amount. While they belong to the crown, extraction of them and shareholder payments diminish money to government.