Conservative Leadership September 10th

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Farmers around the world have been abusing poor farming practices for years and their crying about fertilizers is based on only wanting to plant the same cash crops over and over rather than rotate their fields properly.  I live in an agi community and this isn't near the catastrophe they make it out to be.  Canada is actually not even that bad of an offender.  The targets are for 2030 and they're still in the consultation phase.  

I agree here, but their mistakes have mostly been handling the pipeline file and not getting oil to the market.  

Sure they knew, but there's nothing they can do about it.  Raising interest rates doesn't increase chip production in Taiwan, but it might make it harder for US manufacturers to make their own chips to help ease it.  

There are always winners in even the worst markets.  I'm not sure what you think this proves...

No, because natural target inflation is between 1.5-3%.  

Maybe quote the PBO here because I don't really understand what you're talking about. 

Even the central bank says they didn't act soon enough.  Inflation was worse than expected.  It happens.  They don't always get it right and they never get it perfect.  Usually they error on the opposite side, raising rates before they should and shocking the economy into premature and unnecessary recession.   

Sorry thats a lot of excuses, we can't paint every farmer with the same brush, cutting 30 % of all fertilizers is a steep price to pay when farmers are not the ones making themselves rich, and right now and for the foreseeable future prices on everything are going to only get worse, So why not wait until the economy gets better, don't tell me it is becasue we are in a climate crises that we need to act now not later. today it was set to 2030 but everything about this climate crises has changed on short notice, this could be changed in a heart beat. And it stuns me that they choose to mess with the food supply which is only growing not shrinking, not only bad economical sense, but just a bad decision all around. 

Not to mention strangling new drilling permits, restricting amount pumped out of the ground, and riding this climate change file like it was the last horse in the rodeo when there was a million things we could have done to atleast made it look like a crises. 

My point was that the US government took action to address this huge issue, we still have not started to make our medicine that is critical, or medical machines as promised, we have made some PPE that was made but not any more,  and we have not replaced our national emergency stocks. not much progress was made on the covid after action reports. 

So the government is responsible for 3 % of the inflation thats a lot, but have done really nothing to bring that number down, no action is just as bad as taking the wrong steps.  

CERB and keeping business afloat did not end up costing the entire 600 plus billion, more like half of that but there is no real record on where the other money went. That is not OK...

It is a tough job, and they get paid well i assume, but they do get paid to keep inflation between 2 and 3 % right...that is their mandate right.  

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Are you joking?  Do I even need to answer that?  I would take him back in an instant over Trudeau, but let's be real.  He was the ultimate pragmatist.  

Acknowledged. But I'm still not remembering what major promises he broke.

[Queenmandy85]

On 8/18/2022 at 4:33 PM, I am Groot said:

What did Harper promise he didn't follow through on?

Income Trusts and equalization guarantees for Atlantic Canada and Saskatchewan. He is typical of what Social Credit produces. PP is just another Socred.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Income Trusts and equalization guarantees for Atlantic Canada and Saskatchewan. He is typical of what Social Credit produces. PP is just another Socred.

He apologized for the income trusts thing, but he really had no choice. Every large corporation was going to convert itself to an income trust to avoid taxes. It had to be stopped. Don't know what the equalization thing was about. Nobody talks about the far east here in Canada.

There's a major difference between that and the promises Trudeau made which were absolutely well within his power to bring about, but which he never tried nor ever explained why he didn't.

[Queenmandy85]

Which promises were that? He legalized pot. He tried to change the electoral system but it was blocked by the NDP. Much of their agenda fell victim to the distraction of the threat to NAFTA by the US.

His biggest failure is lack of action in dealing with climate change and securing our coal, iron and petroleum reserves for future generations.

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Which promises were that? He legalized pot. He tried to change the electoral system but it was blocked by the NDP. Much of their agenda fell victim to the distraction of the threat to NAFTA by the US.

His biggest failure is lack of action in dealing with climate change and securing our coal, iron and petroleum reserves for future generations.

Using substantial tax money to “fight climate change” is an absurd exercise in futility.  Add to the cost of living and reduce living standards at your peril.  

[Queenmandy85]

46 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Using substantial tax money to “fight climate change” is an absurd exercise in futility.  Add to the cost of living and reduce living standards at your peril.  

How do you propose to fight climate change without money?

We need to be transitioning to nuclear power around the world, requiring an enormous investment. 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you propose to fight climate change without money?

Minor policy changes to the building code, urban planning, and green tech incentives like tax breaks.  The non-GG emitting technology will advance.  It already is.  Also the world population will flatten and decline due to demographics, urbanization, and education, the latter being a byproduct of the reduction of world poverty. Adding to the cost of living to fight climate change is counterproductive because ending poverty advances us technologically (educationally) and causes people to choose to have smaller families — without coercion.  

Edited August 21, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[PIK]

9 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you propose to fight climate change without money?

We need to be transitioning to nuclear power around the world, requiring an enormous investment. 

We produce 1.6% co2, I understand. China 28%? If we were forward thinking ,we should have been doing everything to be able to ship NG to China.  Get China off coal would be huge,even if it meant we raised our co2 levels a little. Its action like that, that will slow things down, not Justin Trudeaus plan to save the world on our dime.

Edited August 22, 2022 by PIK
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[Queenmandy85]

We should have been working with China, the US, Uk and Europe to build CANDU reactors globally. China is the global leader in thorium research. They are stockpiling thorium while the US is burying it in concrete.

We are fifty years behind. The science regarding climate change was settled in the 1970’s. 

[PIK]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We should have been working with China, the US, Uk and Europe to build CANDU reactors globally. China is the global leader in thorium research. They are stockpiling thorium while the US is burying it in concrete.

We are fifty years behind. The science regarding climate change was settled in the 1970’s. 

We've wasted that time with unworkable plan's. Gov can't fix it, people can. We should have been adapting,not taxing. Plus over population is the key issue, but bring that up and you're a racist.

Edited August 22, 2022 by PIK

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Edited August 22, 2022 by Queenmandy85
Deleted for thread drift-my bad

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Minor policy changes to the building code, urban planning, and green tech incentives like tax breaks.  The non-GG emitting technology will advance.  It already is.  Also the world population will flatten and decline due to demographics, urbanization, and education, the latter being a byproduct of the reduction of world poverty. Adding to the cost of living to fight climate change is counterproductive because ending poverty advances us technologically (educationally) and causes people to choose to have smaller families — without coercion.  

What about all the brainwashing, government over-reach, enslavement, commies, and Nazis etc - they all just go away on their own or something?

It's sounds to good to be true.

[Zeitgeist]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

What about all the brainwashing, government over-reach, enslavement, commies, and Nazis etc - they all just go away on their own or something?

It's sounds to good to be true.

You can continue to maintain all that at your pleasure, Eyeball.  

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You can continue to maintain all that at your pleasure, Eyeball.  

Christ on a stick...you're some special kind of a dingbat alright.

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We are fifty years behind. The science regarding climate change was settled in the 1970’s. 

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Thanks go to Tony Heller, who first collected many of these news clips and posted them on RealClimateScience. 

SUMMARY

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today.

None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true.

What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and science.

More than merely spotlighting the failed predictions, this collection shows that the makers of failed apocalyptic predictions often are individuals holding respected positions in government and science.

While such predictions have been and continue to be enthusiastically reported by a media eager for sensational headlines, the failures are typically not revisited.

1967: ‘Dire famine by 1975.’

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Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute (cei.org)

Edited August 22, 2022 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

On 8/21/2022 at 12:33 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Which promises were that? He legalized pot. He tried to change the electoral system but it was blocked by the NDP.

Nonsense. He wanted to change the electoral system but only in a way which would benefit the Liberal Party. So he booted that major election plank overboard. Then there was the bit about a small deficit for a couple of years and then right back to balanced budgets. Never even tried on that one. Other promises he made zero effort on included his 'open and transparent' government, not to mention empowering parliament, MPs and Committees.

On 8/21/2022 at 12:33 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

His biggest failure is lack of action in dealing with climate change and securing our coal, iron and petroleum reserves for future generations.

There is nothing he can do about climate change aside from virtue signalling, ,which he's more than willing to go for despite the billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs that costs us.

 

[I am Groot]

On 8/21/2022 at 11:41 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you propose to fight climate change without money?

That war is lost. The real question is how do we adapt to climate change without money if Trudeau bankrupts us and shuts down our most lucrative industries?

On 8/21/2022 at 11:41 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

We need to be transitioning to nuclear power around the world, requiring an enormous investment. 

Which the Trudeau government is absolutely refusing to have anything to do with.

[DogOnPorch]

15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We should have been working with China, the US, Uk and Europe to build CANDU reactors globally. China is the global leader in thorium research. They are stockpiling thorium while the US is burying it in concrete.

We are fifty years behind. The science regarding climate change was settled in the 1970’s. 

 

CANDU reactors also gave the needed technology to Third World countries to pursue the atomic bomb...some have done this successfully, as we know.

Edited August 22, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

CANDU reactors also gave the needed technology to Third World countries to pursue the atomic bomb...some have done this successfully, as we know.

Just like the secrets from our biolabs went to China.  Canada is a privacy breach.  Our own government needlessly invaded our private health information and demands it of foreign travellers through ArriveCan.  So stupid and reckless.   The Americans are rightfully livid about ArriveCAN.  Canadians are conspicuously asleep, perhaps a sign of burnout and endless berating from government.  Sad.  

Edited August 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[DogOnPorch]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Just like the secrets from our biolabs went to China.  Canada is a privacy breach.  Our own government needlessly invaded our private health information and demands it of foreign travellers through ArriveCan.  So stupid and reckless.   The Americans are rightfully livid about ArriveCAN.  Canadians are conspicuously asleep, perhaps a sign of burnout and endless berating from government.  Sad.  

 

While older Canadians are aware that the dictatorial creep towards authoritarian fascism is a thing, the yoots are enamored with Communism as the perfect form of government...never having had to live with it or under it.

Edited August 22, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Queenmandy85]

8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

CANDU reactors also gave the needed technology to Third World countries to pursue the atomic bomb...some have done this successfully, as we know.

Does the candu reactor produce weapons grade material?

India and Pakistan went to war regularly until India tested a “peaceful” nuclear device followed by Pakistan. What do you know. No more war. Stalin was the most terrible murdering world leader in history and he had the H-Bomb. Not even Stalin was crazy enough to use it. Thorium has no military application.

All Canadian governments since the early 1970’s, are guilty of failing to mass produce reactors for domestic and global markets. The economic benefits would dwarf the fossil fuel industry.

[DogOnPorch]

10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Does the candu reactor produce weapons grade material?

 

Plutonium-239 is created anytime Uranium-238 absorbs a neutron.

[DogOnPorch]

But to further...

Civilian reactors cycle time is such that Plutonium-239 production isn't practical. Too much Plutonium-240 in the mix. That's why military grade Plutonium reactors exist with faster cycle times.

What CANDU and similar reactors did...along with a fellow named AQ Khan...is give these certain nations the know-how to proceed on their own towards nuclear weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan

Edited August 23, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[August1991]

No idea what's going on this thread.

I voted first for Charest.

Second for Poilievre.

No other vote.

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I would prefer Charest as leader - with Poilievre on the front bench.  

But I can live with Poilievre as leader.