Conservative Leadership September 10th

[August1991]

My preferences:

1. Charest leader, Poilievre to advise him, keep Charest honest.

2. Poilievre leader, Charest the power behind the throne.

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I hope that these two - like Chretien and Martin - work together.

[Nationalist]

On 8/21/2022 at 11:41 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you propose to fight climate change without money?

We need to be transitioning to nuclear power around the world, requiring an enormous investment. 

Ya...man is going to change Earth's climate. Oh the hubris. 

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

My preferences:

1. Charest leader, Poilievre to advise him, keep Charest honest.

2. Poilievre leader, Charest the power behind the throne.

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I hope that these two - like Chretien and Martin - work together.

Charest is emblematic of everything wrong the CPC

f*ck him and the horse he rode in on

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...man is going to change Earth's climate. Oh the hubris. 

Already happening.

Greenhouse effect is causing measurable and impactful change.  No serious science has another theory as to what is happening.

Humans must at least attempt to mitigate risks.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Already happening.

Greenhouse effect is causing measurable and impactful change.  No serious science has another theory as to what is happening.

Humans must at least attempt to mitigate risks.

By sending the entire global economy for a joy ride. Gee...that's smaaarrrt.

[ExFlyer]

The election is all over. Just waiting for the results.

I think the candidates already know who won.

Charest is pretty quiet so I think he knows he lost.

Now the Liberal PR machine will start working on the discourse in the Conservative party and use it against them.

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The election is all over. Just waiting for the results.

I think the candidates already know who won.

Charest is pretty quiet so I think he knows he lost.

Now the Liberal PR machine will start working on the discourse in the Conservative party and use it against them.

This is not unusual. It also never seems to have any effect.

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

While older Canadians are aware that the dictatorial creep towards authoritarian fascism is a thing, the yoots are enamored with Communism as the perfect form of government...never having had to live with it or under it.

No. That creepy thing is simply the gap that inevitably grows between every governed people and their government. Bar none. It's entirely about power but partisans choose to believe it's all about ideology and then they pick a side.

 

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

By sending the entire global economy for a joy ride. Gee...that's smaaarrrt.

 

It's The Science™

The Science™ can only be the way that makes certain companies the most profit and/or suits a certain government agenda. All other false science will be soundly ridiculed, 'fact checked' by journalists and the inquisitive proponents of differing results silenced.

Q: "Have you tried NOT cutting down the Amazon? Have you tried planting some trees?"

 A: "No! Taxing you into abject poverty is the only solution."

Q: "What happens to those taxes?"

A: "We give them to the Ukraine for a 10% kickback."

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

Our irresponsible federal government is hemorrhaging money to kiss up to global elites that care more about looking like they’re solving theoretical future problems like “human made climate change” rather than taking care of the affordability crisis and freedom deficit in Canada.  Pierre is laying it out pretty well:

 

[DogOnPorch]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our irresponsible federal government is hemorrhaging money to kiss up to global elites that care more about looking like they’re solving theoretical future problems like “human made climate change” rather than taking care of the affordability crisis and freedom deficit in Canada.  Pierre is laying it out pretty well:

 

 

We're almost at the stage where the fascist types start arresting the opposition. Donald Trump for example...we might see him arrested in order to prevent him crushing the Democrats. I think Pierre also faces this risk from Trudeau. My bet would be for spreading disinformation and misinformation, as he has been threatened with before by Justin.

Edited August 23, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

We're almost at the stage where the fascist types start arresting the opposition. Donald Trump for example...we might see him arrested in order to prevent him crushing the Democrats. I think Pierre also faces this risk from Trudeau. My bet would be for spreading disinformation and misinformation, as he has been threatened with before by Justin.

Yes and the Biden admin has sneaked through some sketchy surveillance legislation to help the cause.  It generally feels like the left is trying to nullify constitutional rights and impose internationalist programs run by elites that are unaccountable to citizens.  Most people don’t have the time, energy, or knowledge to push back.  Social credit surveillance state is really the end of humanity, especially if A.I. system algorithms are automating it.  People are generally ignorant of what’s afoot and they think this is conspiracy stuff.  I wish it was. The Canadian and US governments seem run by Manchurian Candidates.  Hopefully the opposition prevents further losses of freedom and living standards.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes and the Biden admin has sneaked through some sketchy surveillance legislation to help the cause.  It generally feels like the left is trying to nullify constitutional rights and impose internationalist programs run by elites that are unaccountable to citizens.  Most people don’t have the time, energy, or knowledge to push back.  Social credit surveillance state is really the end of humanity, especially if A.I. system algorithms are automating it.  People are generally ignorant of what’s afoot and they think this is conspiracy stuff.  I wish it was. The Canadian and US governments seem run by Manchurian Candidates.  Hopefully the opposition prevents further losses of freedom and living standards.

 

We have some real shady stuff becoming law here. C-11...C-28...etc.

The US tried the Scary Poppins route but faced almost universal disdain. A woman that worked for the Ukraine government is now going to decide on what is truth in the USA. It was pretty comical in a fascist sort of way. We laugh...but they were serious.

In Canada...the bastards face almost no disdain when they pass plans to censor the internet, reduce food production, prevent independent journalism, etc.

[August1991]

On 8/23/2022 at 8:43 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

Charest is emblematic of everything wrong the CPC

f*ck him and the horse he rode in on

Canada is some 35 million people.

We have to all get along - we have to compromise.

Some of us are left-handed.

[August1991]

On 8/23/2022 at 9:52 AM, ExFlyer said:

The election is all over. Just waiting for the results.

I think the candidates already know who won.

Charest is pretty quiet so I think he knows he lost.

Now the Liberal PR machine will start working on the discourse in the Conservative party and use it against them.

As Yogi Berra said, it's not over until it's over.

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I voted for Charest first. Poilieuvre second.

I can live with either result - but I hope most that these two get along. 

 

[Yzermandius19]

22 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Canada is some 35 million people.

We have to all get along - we have to compromise.

Some of us are left-handed.

compromising on core values isn't acceptable

that's Charest to a tee

don't see much difference between him and Trudeau

compromising with that just means more of the status quo

we do all the compromising and they do none

same as now

Charest is a Liberal who is just in another party

if you want more of the same

might as well vote Liberal

Charest is useless

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[August1991]

Canada?

Charest is good at deals. He may even bring in Bernier and his People's Party...

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Canada?

Charest is good at deals. He may even bring in Bernier and his People's Party...

Bernier ain't coming back into the fold for Charest

Bernier clearly prefers a Poilievre type Conservative to a Liberal like Charest

Charest is good at getting deals the Liberals like

that compromise core conservative values for nothing in return

that's not a good thing

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[August1991]

26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

compromising on core values isn't acceptable

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And what are the "core values" of Canada?

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Unlike Europe, unlike unilingual America, we have a civilsed society of two different languages where people live in peace.

And in Canada, we've done it for two centuries or so.

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Compromise on core values?

Yzermandius19, you have no idea how we Protestants have compromised with the Roman Catholics.

Canada, what a country. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by August1991

[August1991]

Canada is not remarkable because we survive.

Canada is remarkable because we get along.

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As I said, Margaret Atwood is not only a bad writer - she doesn't even understand her own country/society.

[Yzermandius19]

32 minutes ago, August1991 said:

And what are the "core values" of Canada?

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Unlike Europe, unlike unilingual America, we have a civilsed society of two different languages where people live in peace.

And in Canada, we've done it for two centuries or so.

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Compromise on core values?

Yzermandius19, you have no idea how we Protestants have compromised with the Roman Catholics.

Canada, what a country. 

why do you assume I don't know about such compromises?

that is a foolish assumption

I am Roman Catholic but agree with Protestants on many things

there are plenty of core values that many Catholics and Protestants can agree on

but I don't abandon my core values to compromise and neither should Protestants

compromising on core values will just lead to both sides getting along less with each other

as they blame the other side for infringing on those core values

there are good compromises and bad compromises

it does no good to pretend all compromise is universally good

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[August1991]

Read Fifth Business by Robertson Davies. Far better than anything Atwood ever wrote about Canada. Heck, his English style is even better.

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If you want to read a good novel in French about whether I'm correct about Canada - start with:

Gabrielle Roy and her Bonheur d'occasion.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by August1991

[August1991]

Atwood (and English-Canadian progressives) might argue that - to survive - we in Canada get along.

My answer: We don't get along to survive. Trust me, Atwood, we don't.

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In Canada, we agree to disagree. We get along. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by August1991

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Atwood (and English-Canadian progressives) might argue that - to survive - we in Canada get along.

My answer to Atwood: We don't survive to get along with people like you.

Trust me, Maggie, we don't.

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In Canada, we agree to disagree. We get along. 

In Canada people don't agree to disagree

if you disagree with the average Canadian

you get labeled a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe etc

and they try to cancel you

they only get along with fellow totalitarians

everyone else is the scum of the earth

Edited August 26, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[August1991]

Putin: Survival of the Russian people

(Zelenskiy: Survival of Ukrainians)

Laurier: Compromise to get along.

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I see a difference.

Edited August 26, 2022 by August1991