Is the current occupation of Ottawa and the "freedom" convoys all American, Trump-inspired?

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, Winston said:

There are 4 options, end the mandate, use force, the convoy becomes aggressive, the convoy goes home. Only two of these will end well.

Given the growing mass of the convoy and global publicity/support, home is several weeks away. 

It took 17 days and 2 million protesters in Tahrir square to depose Mubarak in Egypt in 2011.

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

It took 17 days and 2 million protesters in Tahrir square to depose Mubarak in Egypt in 2011.

Very wrong comparison. That was a dictatorship. An unelected permanent head of republic. This is a democratically elected government elected just a few months ago on a clear platform of mandating the vaccines. No one and I repeat no bloody one has the right to try to remove this government by illegal occupation of our Capital city. 

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Very wrong comparison. That was a dictatorship. An unelected permanent head of republic. This is a democratically elected government elected just a few months ago on a clear platform of mandating the vaccines. No one and I repeat no bloody one has the right to try to remove this government by illegal occupation of our Capital city. 

They just want mandates and restrictions gone.  

[bush_cheney2004]

No, not American inspired.   Quite the opposite, as American truckers are following Canada's lead and are now organizing a Cali to DC convoy of their own.   Methinks some Canadian critics would like to marginalize the convoy protests against mandates as another evil "right wing" import from across the border, but not this time.  

And that's what makes this so remarkable, regardless of where you come down on the mandates and restrictions.   Canadians have organically built a protest and civil disobedience action to challenge the status quo.   The concept isn't new (French and American farmers have used the heavy equipment blocking strategy before), but inspiration and actions are firmly rooted in Canada.

Freedom still means something...even in Canada.

 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No, not American inspired.   Quite the opposite, as American truckers are following Canada's lead and are now organizing a Cali to DC convoy of their own.   Methinks some Canadian critics would like to marginalize the convoy protests against mandates as another evil "right wing" import from across the border, but not this time.  

And that's what makes this so remarkable, regardless of where you come down on the mandates and restrictions.   Canadians have organically built a protest and civil disobedience action to challenge the status quo.   The concept isn't new (French and American farmers have used the heavy equipment blocking strategy before), but inspiration and actions are firmly rooted in Canada.

Freedom still means something...even in Canada.

freedom is something to be fear and loathed in Canada

a protest springing up doesn't mean freedom is now popular in Canada

the truckers aren't even pro-freedom, they just want the communism to be run better

Edited February 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

freedom is something to be fear and loathed in Canada

a protest springing up doesn't mean freedom is now popular in Canada

the truckers aren't even pro-freedom, they just want the communism to be run better

No there’s a real grassroots movement to make Canadians free.  It’s not just among Canadian-born rural folk either. All different cultural backgrounds are represented in this movement, but I think that some of the more recent immigrants are afraid to make waves.  Much of urban Canada works for organizations that take a very politically correct official line in communications and policy. Obviously most Canadians want policies that are inclusive and warm and fuzzy.

What’s happening in Canada, however, is that diversity of opinion and expression are no longer acceptable. Increasingly there’s a singularity of viewpoint, and anyone who questions the central narrative is a fringe radical moron.  Essentially we are to obey far-reaching government controls over our conduct because government knows how we should be and what we deserve.

This is the juncture of overreach, because it’s no longer about the public informing government policy, but public adherence to government groupthink and control.  It’s anti-democratic and unconstitutional for government to violate our enshrined rights and freedoms and dictate behaviour to such an extent.   Why?   Because of Covid?   No, after two years of widespread vaccinations, lockdowns, and restrictions, we can’t accept that excuse to maintain the suspension of our citizens’ rights.

Vaccine passports and mandates are a total violation of our constitution.   

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[TrudeauSucks]

Last year India had an issue with farmers causing major disruptions in the City of New Delhi. Trudeau did what he does best. He started a world-wide virtue-signalling condeming the Indian government so he could use Sikh's to help fundraise for the Liberal party, and send their donations back to India. When the elites in India found out their was about to be a trans Canada convoy, they started sending huge Donations. The Indian's were already sick of Trudeau dancing around their country in rediculous costumes, so this time, they're teaching him a lesson.

The Indian media can't even keep this a secret anymore

Headline Reads "Trudeau flees as protesting truckers besiege Ottawa"

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by TrudeauSucks

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No there’s a real grassroots movement to make Canadians free.  It’s not just among Canadian-born rural folk either. All different cultural backgrounds are represented in this movement, but I think that some of the more recent immigrants are afraid to make waves.  Much of urban Canada works for organizations that take a very politically correct official line in communications and policy. Obviously most Canadians want policies that are inclusive and warm and fuzzy.

What’s happening in Canada, however, is that diversity of opinion and expression are no longer acceptable. Increasingly there’s a singularity of viewpoint, and anyone who questions the central narrative is a fringe radical moron.  Essentially we are to obey far-reaching government controls over our conduct because government knows how we should be and what we deserve.

This is the juncture of overreach, because it’s no longer about the public informing government policy, but public adherence to government groupthink and control.  It’s anti-democratic and unconstitutional for government to violate our enshrined rights and freedoms and dictate behaviour to such an extent.   Why?   Because of Covid?   No, after two years of widespread vaccinations, lockdowns, and restrictions, we can’t accept that excuse to maintain the suspension of our citizens’ rights.

Vaccine passports and mandates are a total violation of our constitution.   

nah this is just rural support

the city folk hate the truckers

wishful thinking will not make these protests popular among a wide portion of Canadians

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

nah this is just rural support

the city folk hate the truckers

wishful thinking will not make these protests popular among a wide portion of Canadians

Well then Canada’s a write-off.  Believe me, I’ve thought that at times lately and if it wasn’t for my job and family here, I’d be in Florida right now.  I think the question we have to start asking ourselves as Canadians is whether we value freedom enough to ensure that Canada remains free.  Our mainstream political parties so far have not stood up for our constitution.  Yes we’re seeing a change of leadership in the Conservatives, but if the mandates and restrictions remain, we’ll know that freedom in Canada has been compromised beyond redemption.  At that point we’re reliant on the support of forces for freedom beyond our borders.

Sadly the Republican Party of the US is the only party standing up for the Canadian constitution.  Is that what we’ve come to, the Republicans versus totalitarianism in North America?  Are there really so few democrats in the Democratic Party and so few liberal-democrats in the Liberal Party of Canada?  What the hell happened to our rights and freedoms and the mainstream parties whose job it is to protect them?

Edited February 7, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Well then Canada’s a write-off.  Believe me, I’ve thought that at times lately.  I think the question we have to start asking ourselves as Canadians is whether we value freedom enough to ensure that it remains so.  Our mainstream political parties so far have not stood up for our constitution.  Yes we’re seeing a change of leadership in the Conservatives, but if the mandates and restrictions remain, we’ll know that freedom in Canada has been compromised beyond redemption.  At that point we’re reliant on the support of forces for freedom beyond our borders.  Sadly the Republican Party of the US is the only party standing up for the Canadian constitution.  Is that what we’ve come to, the Republicans versus totalitarianism in North America?  Are there really so few democrats in the Democratic Party and so few liberal-democrats in the Liberal Party of Canada?  What the hell happened to our rights and freedoms?

our rights and freedoms were lost long ago

long before covid, some are just finally noticing

Canada is a write off

Republicans are the only major political party

that cares about rights and is against totalitarianism

[Moonlight Graham]

On 2/5/2022 at 11:51 AM, Zeitgeist said:

The convoy represents a massive national and worldwide opposition to the arbitrary and unwarranted suspension of rights and freedoms.  In Canada these are enshrined in our Charter.  In the US they’re in the Bill of Rights.  Some will try to politicize, but all democratic parties should protect constitutional rights from government overreach. 

Most Canadians will do whatever the government tells them.  A country filled with submissive betas who easily roll on their backs wanting their bellies rubbed.  The US gained its independence in 1776 and Canada gained its independence in 1982.  That's no coincidence.

This is a country where not long ago people were being fined for going for walks outside in a public park.

[Moonlight Graham]

Don't worry, these truckers will pay for their crimes.  The Trudeau gov admits to secretly tracking our cellphone locations throughout the pandemic after all and is still doing so:  https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-public-health-agency-admits-it-tracked-33-million-mobile-devices-during-lockdown

Here I thought freedom from government search and seizure was guaranteed in the Charter Justin's daddy brought it.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Moonlight Graham

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 The Trudeau gov admits to secretly tracking our cellphone locations ...

Here I thought freedom from government search and seizure was guaranteed in the Charter Justin's daddy brought it.

How short is your memory ?  You know that we got this from the Harper government as a security measure right ?  And, yes, I think it's a good idea.  I would like us to be able to track crowds of people, terrorists and disease bags driving trucks...

[Moonlight Graham]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

How short is your memory ?  You know that we got this from the Harper government as a security measure right ?  And, yes, I think it's a good idea.  I would like us to be able to track crowds of people, terrorists and disease bags driving trucks...

Sure next hopefully they will start listening to us through the mics on our phones and watch us through our phone and laptop cameras and access our fingerprint data on our devices too.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sure next hopefully they will start listening to us through the mics on our phones and watch us through our phone and laptop cameras and access our fingerprint data on our devices too.

Wow.  You really are out of touch...  They already do some of this and nobody seems to be talking about it.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Wow.  You really are out of touch...  They already do some of this and nobody seems to be talking about it.

 

How so?

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How so?

I'm working from memory here, but I believe that Canadian security agents have and use monitoring ability on all phone calls without warrant at present.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How so?

That is not to say they 'listen' but it may be speech to text transcripts...

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Wow.  You really are out of touch...  They already do some of this and nobody seems to be talking about it.

they should though

you only don't think it's a big deal because you hate freedom and love the government taking that freedom away

no one should be allowed privacy and should be subject to unwarranted search or seizure, because we need to track terrorists

okay W.

?

deep state clown show over 9000

Edited February 7, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Army Guy]

On 2/5/2022 at 2:04 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Don't spread false info. Latest Abacus poll only yesterday indicted two-thirds of Canadians do not support the illegal occupation of their Capital by these crowd and 57% think their behavior has been rude and inappropriate. I attached the link to such post in other thread.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/one-third-of-canadians-say-they-have-a-lot-in-common-with-freedom-convoy-protesters

Rude and inappropriate, those are a lot better words than what the media and government have said, lets not forget racist, white nationalist, criminals, violent, dangerous, thugs, the list goes on and on... Nobody cot this coverage when there was roits in Toronto by g-20 protestors, blockading rail lines, pipe lines, BLM marches where things got very violent...

[Aristides]

On 2/5/2022 at 9:36 AM, sharkman said:

The convoy is made in Canada, end of story.  We’ll take any cash and support they want to lend.

So don’t complain when causes you don’t like receive financial and other support from other countries. 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

On 2/5/2022 at 10:04 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 57% think their behavior has been rude and inappropriate.

That has more to do with MSM disinformation than anything else. 

These same people who characterized the BLM riots as 'mostly peaceful' have characterized the entirely peaceful freedom convoy as racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, anti-Islamist, and rife with vandalism and the desecration of monuments. 

More than 57% of people never went anywhere near the protest. Of course a certain percentage of people will believe what they see on the news. It's sad, but that's life. 

[Zeitgeist]

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Rude and inappropriate, those are a lot better words than what the media and government have said, lets not forget racist, white nationalist, criminals, violent, dangerous, thugs, the list goes on and on... Nobody cot this coverage when there was roits in Toronto by g-20 protestors, blockading rail lines, pipe lines, BLM marches where things got very violent...

The name of the game is to make normal, decent people look extremist to justify oppressing them.  The public are starting to catch on to what Canada has become, but many are still willing to give Justin time.  My sense is that with every passing day people are questioning the necessity of mandates, restrictions, and the digital vaccine passports.  Trudeau will have to come around. He can do so with modesty and meet the protesters halfway, offering a firm timeframe for the elimination of these extraordinary emergency measures that are the reason our Charter rights are suspended or he can remain obstinate.

If Trudeau retains his current approach then he’ll have to find enough support by his own party, the House of Commons, the Ottawa Police, RCMP, military, Supreme Court, and Governor General to back him against the protesters and their supporters.  He’s already losing the public.  

Edited February 7, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

our rights and freedoms were lost long ago

long before covid, some are just finally noticing

Canada is a write off

Republicans are the only major political party

that cares about rights and is against totalitarianism

So why did they want overturn an election and make Trump king?

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

That has more to do with MSM disinformation than anything else. 

These same people who characterized the BLM riots as 'mostly peaceful' have characterized the entirely peaceful freedom convoy as racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, anti-Islamist, and rife with vandalism and the desecration of monuments. 

More than 57% of people never went anywhere near the protest. Of course a certain percentage of people will believe what they see on the news. It's sad, but that's life. 

So don’t listen.