Trucker's Convoy

[Yzermandius19]

render unto Caesar what is Caesar's

render unto God what is God's

God given rights are not Caesar's to take away

and should not be rendered unto Caesar

silly blackbird

Edited February 14, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nexii]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Would you prefer to live in the dark ages when a third or half of Europe died by the black plague?  You would have loved those days with no vaccines, no government, no masks, no social distancing measures, etc. etc.  You would have been free to get the plague and die without interference by government.

Actually they did quarantine back then. That's where the term comes from 'quarant' = 40 days. Ships had to stay in port 40 days before the crew could come ashore. They didn't even know what viruses were back then but they knew that it spread from person to person. They couldn't lock everything down because they would have all starved instead, you're talking medieval economy where people barely get by day to day.

[West]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We've already been all through that.  Being vaccinated does not prevent one from catching Covid.  But it makes it a little less likely and most important helps prevent a vaccinated person from serious illness or death.  How many times do we have to repeat that?

So the pass is useless...

[West]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

render unto Caesar what is Caesar's

render unto God what is God's

God given rights are not Caesar's to take away

and should not be rendered unto Caesar

silly blackbird

God gives you a body. That body is yours. The government should not infringe on your body. 

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? "

1 Corinthians 6:19. 

Your body doesn't belong to the state therefore they shouldn't coerce you into an injection

 

[Moonbox]

24 minutes ago, West said:

Stripping away medical decisions from the individual is never justified regardless if some scared lil boy in a robe says so or not.

Nobody stripped any decisions away from you.  Much like you can choose to drive wearing a seatbelt or not at all, so too can you have other privileges and rights restricted if there's sound reasoning for it.  The best part of Canada's Charter is Section 1:

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

That section was explicitly included to prevent foolish people from trying to hide behind the Charter/Constitution when behaving poorly.  The fact that you don't don't accept the government's or the Court's reasoning for mandates isn't important.  Being angry and calling Trudeau a lying, totalitarian hate-monger (or whatever your slogan of the day is) doesn't qualify as a reasonable argument here or in our legal system.  

[Goddess]

Just now, Moonbox said:

if there's sound reasoning for it. 

What is the "sound reasoning" for stripping people of their right to medical bodily autonomy, as guaranteed in the Charter?

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody stripped any decisions away from you.  Much like you can choose to drive wearing a seatbelt or not at all, so too can you have other privileges and rights restricted if there's sound reasoning for it.  The best part of Canada's Charter is Section 1:

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

That section was explicitly included to prevent foolish people from trying to hide behind the Charter/Constitution when behaving poorly.  The fact that you don't don't accept the government's or the Court's reasoning for mandates isn't important.  Being angry and calling Trudeau a lying, totalitarian hate-monger (or whatever your slogan of the day is) doesn't qualify as a reasonable argument here or in our legal system.  

what you think is the best part is the worst part

because government cannot be trusted to decide what "reasonable" is

your faith in government is misplaced

and the fact that your favorite part of the Charter isn't the part that supports rights but supports taking them away

just goes to show how much you hate freedom

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What is the "sound reasoning" for stripping people of their right to medical bodily autonomy, as guaranteed in the Charter?

Why don't you do a 30 second Google search and read the Courts' reasoning yourself?  Pulling yourself away from your mind-warping conspiracy websites for a moment might do you some good - more good than vapidly repeating your slogans like a broken record.  I've posted links to these decisions to others here recently.  I'm not going to keep doing it for every boneheaded conspiracy theorist that wants to cluelessly wave the Charter around.  

Do yourself a favor and look up some of these court decisions, then actually read the Charter.  If you had even the slightest understanding of it, you'd spare yourself some of the cognitive dissonance that's been upsetting you lately.  

[betsy]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Why don't you do a 30 second Google search and read the Courts' reasoning yourself?  Pulling yourself away from your mind-warping conspiracy websites for a moment might do you some good - more good than vapidly repeating your slogans like a broken record.  I've posted links to these decisions to others here recently.  I'm not going to keep doing it for every boneheaded conspiracy theorist that wants to cluelessly wave the Charter around.  

Do yourself a favor and look up some of these court decisions, then actually read the Charter.  If you had even the slightest understanding of it, you'd spare yourself some of the cognitive dissonance that's been upsetting you lately.  

Courts aren't always right!  They've become politicized.

Lol - Justin has had the booster shot, and it didn't take him long to get Covid.  Prince Charles had it twice!  Camilla is TRIPLE-VAXXED - and yet, they got covid!

 

People who have vaccine passports are still getting sick and passing it on to others!  It's that blasted vaccine passport that's making you feel "secure."  You think just because someone's waving a passport that it's okay to let down your guard.

 

I think they're grooming people to be compliant to mandates, and to be apathetic about  rights being taken away.  Just wait for climate change mandates to come!

Edited February 14, 2022 by betsy

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

what you think is the best part is the worst part

because government cannot be trusted to decide what "reasonable" is

Well that's good because the government doesn't decide.  The Courts do, and they're not elected officials that have to worry about placating voters.  

If you don't believe in the Courts and the Rule of Law, then waving the Charter around is pretty stupid.  

 

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

Courts aren't always right!  They've become politicized.

Lol - Justin has had the booster shot, and it didn't take him long to get Covid.  Prince Charles had it twice!  Camilla is TRIPLE-VAXXED - and yet, they got covid!

betsy I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work.  

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Well that's good because the government doesn't decide.  The Courts do, and they're not elected officials that have to worry about placating voters.  

If you don't believe in the Courts and the Rule of Law, then waving the Charter around is pretty stupid.  

 

betsy I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work.  

the courts suck too

they are representative of the freedom hating population

who have no idea what "reasonable" actually is

the judges are LPC rubber stamping cronies

Edited February 14, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

...  Blockades are not legal and are not democratic protests.  They are anarchy.  Trumpsters should stay in their own country and not invade Canada with their criminals.

 

OK....so no more U.S. truckers to deliver goods to/from Canada (many are "Trumpers")...but what about the precious economy ? 

Seems like a contradiction to me.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

 freedom hating population

that has begun to turn now

the tyrants have been provoked into showing their fangs

millions of Canadians are radicalized against them already, and more all the time

and behind us comes the Americans, 100 million of them or so

glory, glory, hallelujah

 

[Dougie93]

all my American friends & family want you Canadian freedom lovers to know

they are with you, they are at your backs, in righteous fury

and if you fall

they will avenge you

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Dougie93

[Moonbox]

If the Courts suck, then what does waving the Charter around accomplish, especially if you disagree with the most important parts of it?  I'll answer for you.  It's because you goobers are warping your brains into pretzels to make reality fit your fantasy. 

If you don't like what's being reported in the news, it's FAKE. 

When you don't like what doctors and scientists and health organizations/authorities are saying, they're all compromised.  

If you disagree with the government's decisions and legislation, they're communists or fascists or whatever evil you think sounds coolest today.  

If you disagree with the Courts, they're corrupt.   

 

When these are your answers to literally everything, it's clear how far you've descended into your delusions.  Every time you repeat one of the above, the rest of Canada rolls their eyes at you and you further confirm what we already know - you're adult children having tantrums.  

 

[Aristides]

31 minutes ago, betsy said:

Courts aren't always right!  They've become politicized.

Lol - Justin has had the booster shot, and it didn't take him long to get Covid.  Prince Charles had it twice!  Camilla is TRIPLE-VAXXED - and yet, they got covid!

 

People who have vaccine passports are still getting sick and passing it on to others!  It's that blasted vaccine passport that's making you feel "secure."  You think just because someone's waving a passport that it's okay to let down your guard.

 

I think they're grooming people to be compliant to mandates, and to be apathetic about  rights being taken away.  Just wait for climate change mandates to come!

The courts determine what is law whether you like it or not. Canadian courts are not politicized to the same degree as the US because our selection process is much different. 

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 When these are your answers to literally everything, it's clear how far you've descended into your delusions.  

And the vanity of evoking Veterans who gave their lives for this country as somehow equivalent of refusing to wear a little mask makes the actions a step beyond distasteful.

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

When these are your answers to literally everything, it's clear how far you've descended into your delusions.  Every time you repeat one of the above, the rest of Canada rolls their eyes at you and you further confirm what we already know - you're adult children having tantrums. 

okay, but you keep saying that over & over

if you were confident in your conviction, you would only have to say it once

[Aristides]

45 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

what you think is the best part is the worst part

because government cannot be trusted to decide what "reasonable" is

your faith in government is misplaced

and the fact that your favorite part of the Charter isn't the part that supports rights but supports taking them away

just goes to show how much you hate freedom

The courts decide what is reasonable.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

And the vanity of evoking Veterans who gave their lives for this country as somehow equivalent of refusing to wear a little mask makes the actions a step beyond distasteful.

I am a veteran, I stand with them refusing to wear a mask

no veteran has said it is "distasteful" to me, quite the opposite

[Dougie93]

Just now, Aristides said:

The courts decide what is reasonable.

God given rights

if not

there will be revolution

the government knows, hence why they are panicking

[myata]

Uncharted waters, extraordinary measures to deal with peaceful citizen protest. The political system is in a dead end. Funny, I wrote not that long back if something happens we would have no alternative system and no clue what to do. How could it come so fast?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-premiers-cabinet-1.6350734

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I am a veteran, I stand with them refusing to wear a mask

no veteran has said it is "distasteful" to me, quite the opposite

What veterans, surely you don't expect anyone to believe that a majority of them refuse to wear masks.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

God given rights

if not

there will be revolution

the government knows, hence why they are panicking

You are just another anarchist. Polls show people are telling you to go home. Your childishness is even making more of them favour mandates. Keep up the good work.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What veterans, surely you don't expect anyone to believe that a majority of them refuse to wear masks.

Or that they see that as equivalent of volunteering for service... my God...