Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19

[Zeitgeist]

Canada is looking at a century-old drug for treating gout that seems to reduce inflammation in the respiratory system.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is looking at a century-old drug for treating gout that seems to reduce inflammation in the respiratory system.

None of these sorts of things are going to pan out in a way that stops the crash, the only thing which will stabilize things is a safe and effective vaccine

[marcus]

It would be helpful if politicians remember the private sector is well-placed to help get us through this crisis--if politicians would recall that it is the private sector that innovates. An example from the U.S.: 'Walgreens has supplied people, facilities and parking lots so Americans can drive in for virus tests.'

Philip Cross: Trudeau should take Trump's lead and rally the private sector to help fight COVID-19

[Dougie93]

This is just going to be the Great Canadian Bailout

Which will be done on the cheap

People wont starve, but they won't spend neither so it will continue crashing

This will be similar to the crash in 2008 in America, except incited by the virus rather than a credit crisis

Ontario's debt will explode and so will Canada's

But that's war, the first duty of a state is to protect life, not the economy

Edited March 26, 2020 by Dougie93

[marcus]

Not everything Trump does is wrong. Just most. Like his handling of the pandemic. 

The USA, far and away, has the highest acceleration of new cases and will unfortunately blow by all others. Trump's reaction has resulted in poor outcomes. They will need to have lots of beds, ventilators and qualified personnel ready. 

Great Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Edited March 26, 2020 by marcus

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, marcus said:

Not everything Trump does is wrong.

All he did was steal the Democrats old platform of protectionism to prop up the unions in the rust belt, that's how he won

The Democrats ignored the industrial blue collars and it cost them

[Dougie93]

This is really just the 1920's all over again

Trump is Warren G. Harding.   Return to Normalcy.   Hawley-Smoot

Then it was in reaction to the Bolheviks and the crisis for the farmers with the onset of the Industrial Age

Now it is reactionary to the Progressives and the ones needing protection are the industrial workers with the onset of the Information Age

Trump is just a vehicle for protectionism, the Neoliberals wouldn't do it, so they lost their seat to Warren G. Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Not everything Trump does is wrong. Just most. Like his handling of the pandemic.

 

Trump still has the power to overwhelm a thread about how Trudeau has failed Canada on COVID-19.

 

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

But that's war, the first duty of a state is to protect life, not the economy

Destroying the economy is not an effective way to protect life, especially in the long term.

[dialamah]

39 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Destroying the economy is not an effective way to protect life, especially in the long term.

Why, what will happen?  People will be poor?   Yeah, being poor sucks.  Shortages everywhere?  Yeah, that would suck too.  Still, being poor is preferable to being dead.

I don't have money in the stock market, so I'm not losing anything there.  I expect the value of my townhouse will drop dramatically, by $100,000.00, maybe more.   Oh well.  I expect to have to pay higher taxes under a Conservative Gov't within a couple of years when we need to reduce the deficit.  So what?  Being poor(er) and alive is a better alternative to dying or losing someone I love because some people put a higher value on "the economy" than the health and life of other people.  

Edited March 26, 2020 by dialamah

[Argus]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump still has the power to overwhelm a thread about how Trudeau has failed Canada on COVID-19.

 

And why is that? Because of you and the idiot America worshipers.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Destroying the economy is not an effective way to protect life, especially in the long term.

The economy will not be destroyed unless you lose the war,  you must defend against the enemy as the highest priority, people whining in the ranks about it, you just ignore them

[Argus]

So worth noting the EU has banned the shipment of PPE outside its borders. This follows earlier bans from France and Germany, and also, of course, China and Taiwan. Apparently no one in Canada ever considered this might become an issue. No public health agency in Canada bothered to stockpile much of anything. Ontario apparently did stockpile 55 million N95 masks after the SARS epidemic, but over the following years, as the expiration dates arrived (because elastics get less elastic) they destroyed them. No one bothered to replace the destroyed masks, though, because, apparently, they thought there was no possibility of an epidemic ever happening again.

We don't make masks in Canada. We buy them on the just-on-time ordering system from places like Europe, China and Taiwan. We don't make the gowns either, nor the face shields, nor the gloves, nor ventilators, nor the swabs we need to test for disease, nor the chemicals we need to conduct the tests. And no one stockpiled much of anything. These people making big salaries with golden pensions who were in charge of Canada's federal and provincial public health agencies, including that moron Theresa Tam, in charge of Canada's Public Health Agency, who is apparently an infectious disease specialist, never saw the need. These people need to be fired, and we need, even after this mess is contained, to start stockpiling, set up our own manufacturing lines, and order all public agencies to buy from them, even if it costs more.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

Why, when individuals saw trouble on the horizon and started to stock up on protection, did the federal and provincial government health agencies ignore the impending risk and go on their merry way? What do we pay these morons for? In fact, Canada had so little concern we shipped 16 tonnes of medical gear, especially masks, gowns and face shields, to China to help them with their epidemic. Because, like, China is a billion miles away, eh, and there's no way any of that would ever arrive here.

Back in January, I purchased a small supply of N95 masks to protect myself and my family, after hearing about the lockdown in Wuhan, China, and doing some research on what was then called the novel coronavirus. Today, I’m seeing vitriol directed at members of the public who own these masks and wear them in public. Individuals are being told that their actions have led to a shortage of supplies for health-care workers. But what people fail to understand is that consumers did not create the health-care worker mask shortage — governments did.

If individuals could reason from the limited data they had access to in late January that they should purchase a mask, governments should have come to the same conclusion and taken action to secure a supply of personal protective equipment for health-care workers.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/laura-tennant-consumers-didnt-cause-the-mask-shortage-governments-did

[Argus]

Interesting. The cannabis industry wants to do covid-19 tests, but can't get a callback from government public health agencies. Meanwhile testing backlogs are growing. Ontario is testing three thousand people a day but can only process two thousand.

On the outskirts of Toronto, next to the Pearson International Airport, there is a 16,000 square foot cannabis testing laboratory whose owner says it can process 500 coronavirus tests a day. With an investment for additional equipment, that number could rise to more than 1,000 tests a day. 

“Testing right now is just way too slow, it’s unbearably slow,” John Slaughter, the CEO of High North Laboratories told The GrowthOp. “So we started looking internally to see what would it take for us to do that kind of testing and found out it wasn’t really much. We were right on the cusp of it anyway.”

The lab would have to be certified to biosafety standards level two, Slaughter says, but amid the crisis, he is hopeful that certification could come quickly. The first step, and perhaps most challenging, is getting the government to listen.

https://www.thegrowthop.com/cannabis-news/amid-the-coronavirus-pandemic-the-cannabis-industry-can-help-but-will-the-government-listen

 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, marcus said:

Wishful thinking.

Canada seems to be ahead of what was expected, but we still have not hit the peak yet.

Good news coming out of most locations in China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. They are about three months ahead of us. So if we manage to place the same measures, we could get there in a couple of months to three months.

Three months ago was Dec 26th. On Dec 26th China hadn't even reported this yet.

It was just 1 week ago that Trudeau closed down travel from China to Canada. Did he close it down after China had the virus under control?

None of what you said makes sense.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not every tweet, just enough to see what he was focused on.

Justin Trudeau is not getting out much these days either....so he will be using Twitter even more.

Twitter is gonna get twittier. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

But what people fail to understand is that consumers did not create the health-care worker mask shortage — governments did.

But we're told all the time that consumer demand for cheap shit caused this shortage along with the loss of all the manufacturing capacity you mentioned for virtually everything we use/need thru globalization.

This situation has been under construction for decades and governments are simply following their directions to construct it.

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Back in January, I purchased a small supply of N95 masks to protect myself and my family, after hearing about the lockdown in Wuhan, China, and doing some research on what was then called the novel coronavirus. Today, I’m seeing vitriol directed at members of the public who own these masks and wear them in public.

Yeah, this kinda reminds me of the vitriol that's directed at people who thought economic globalism was a bad idea. Not that a global economy isn't the way to go its just that we forgot to construct a global government first to keep a better eye on it.  And I've explained many many times how to keep an eye on that government to so....you're right there's just no excuse for not learning from our mistakes.

Edited March 26, 2020 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

https://globalnews.ca/news/6730541/coronavirus-canada-mandatory-isolation-border-crossers/

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Anyone returning to Canada from abroad amid the coronavirus pandemic will no longer just be asked to self-isolate upon their return — that order is now mandatory.

Health Minister Patty Hajdu said during an appearance at the Senate on Wednesday that the government is done asking those returning to Canada from other countries to respect the request to go directly home and stay there for 14 days.

Our uber-qualified Graphics-Designer-turned-Health-Minister just made it mandatory for Canadians to self-quarantine upon re-entry to Canada yesterday.

Just 6 days earlier non-Canadians could come directly from the coronavirus epicenter and make that decision for themselves. 

This is happening after the virus is already here, so people who are coming from Wyoming or Montana are no more likely to have Covid than people from Burnaby or Mississauga lol. The maximum penalty for non-compliance is a $1M fine. 

I bet the MSM here is going to wonder aloud why passengers from coronaland were waltzing around free a month ago when we didn't have the virus here yet and we didn't have social distancing in place, but now that we apparently have more covid than China they can't even come here anymore (maybe they don't want to get the virus again....) and anyone that does come to Canada gets treated like a leper. DUUUUuuuuuhhhhh.

Edited March 26, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Rue]

12 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

None of these sorts of things are going to pan out in a way that stops the crash, the only thing which will stabilize things is a safe and effective vaccine

True but do not underestimate it. Today aids is controlled by a range of drugs since there is no vaccine.

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, Rue said:

True but do not underestimate it. Today aids is controlled by a range of drugs since there is no vaccine.

Oh I don't expect it to be the Doomsday Bug, there is a non zero chance, but don't anticipate contact,  stay loose

All I'm saying is, I'm pacing myself for a long war, because wars always last longer than people expected they would at the beginning

[taxme]

13 hours ago, marcus said:

Are you saying that hospitals and labs from around the world, in different countries, are in it together to put out fake statistics to somehow brainwash us into.... what?

Go to website AmazingPolly. net. There she can pretty much explain to you as to what may be really going on here. She does make a whole pile of sense about this so called virus pandemic. But if you are like most people here you will not. After all, why should you believe her instead of too your dear leader politicians and the so called honest media who would never lie or exaggerate to you, hmmm? Let me know if you do and get back to me. 

[taxme]

8 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Destroying the economy is not an effective way to protect life, especially in the long term.

Millions of Canadians now out of work. Most of them have now applied for unemployment insurance and welfare. Shelves are being emptied of toilet paper. Toilet paper of all things? Was it worth it all to try and convince people like you to self isolate yourself and allow the Trudeau government to pretty much shut down the economy and the country down over this so called virus pandemic? But once a trained liberal socialist seal, always a trained liberal and socialist seal. It is quite obvious that you are most like other members here who refuse to believe that there is more to this so called pandemic story than they realize. But carry on trained seal. 

[Moonlight Graham]

I think the 2-year power grab by Trudeau and friends is the biggest failure of them so far in all this.  It's truly disgusting for any patriot to try and use this crisis to grab power that long.  Politicians should be stepping up to serve this country, not play games like that.  Disgraceful.

[Moonbox]

I'm not so sure that it was a deliberate power-grab, but rather just something they wanted to do to avoid delays on further action down the road.  It was a poor decision and even poorer attempt regardless, and the government ought to be embarrassed that they even tried.