Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19

[bush_cheney2004]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

And why is that? Because of you and the idiot America worshipers.

 

No, it's because Trump matters more than Trudeau....even in Canada.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, marcus said:

Not everything Trump does is wrong. Just most. Like his handling of the pandemic. 

The USA, far and away, has the highest acceleration of new cases and will unfortunately blow by all others. Trump's reaction has resulted in poor outcomes. They will need to have lots of beds, ventilators and qualified personnel ready. 

Great Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Trump's reaction to the pandemic was better than Trudeau's by orders of magnitude. There are actual, decisive measures that Trump took to control the virus which Trudeau never took.

Trudeau was allowing people to fly directly to Canada from China while we weren't practicing social distancing, as recently as 7 days ago. Travellers who had been to China within 14 days haven't been to get into the US for two months now.  

The US also has actual medical personnel in the highest branches of government. We have a graphics designer. 

Name something useful that Trudeau has done that Trump didn't do Marcus: _____________________________. 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

So worth noting the EU has banned the shipment of PPE outside its borders. This follows earlier bans from France and Germany, and also, of course, China and Taiwan. Apparently no one in Canada ever considered this might become an issue. No public health agency in Canada bothered to stockpile much of anything. Ontario apparently did stockpile 55 million N95 masks after the SARS epidemic, but over the following years, as the expiration dates arrived (because elastics get less elastic) they destroyed them. No one bothered to replace the destroyed masks, though, because, apparently, they thought there was no possibility of an epidemic ever happening again.

We don't make masks in Canada. We buy them on the just-on-time ordering system from places like Europe, China and Taiwan. We don't make the gowns either, nor the face shields, nor the gloves, nor ventilators, nor the swabs we need to test for disease, nor the chemicals we need to conduct the tests. And no one stockpiled much of anything. These people making big salaries with golden pensions who were in charge of Canada's federal and provincial public health agencies, including that moron Theresa Tam, in charge of Canada's Public Health Agency, who is apparently an infectious disease specialist, never saw the need. These people need to be fired, and we need, even after this mess is contained, to start stockpiling, set up our own manufacturing lines, and order all public agencies to buy from them, even if it costs more.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-faces-criticism-for-sending-16-tonnes-of-personal-protective/

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Ottawa faces criticism for sending 16 tonnes of personal protective equipment to China in February

 

[WestCanMan]

32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, it's because Trump matters more than Trudeau....even in Canada.

That's because Trump's a leader and Trudeau is just a worthless virtue signaller, pumped up by the MSM. 

[Argus]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's because Trump's a leader and Trudeau is just a worthless virtue signaller, pumped up by the MSM. 

Absolutely! The stirring words of your commander in chief rallying the nation will live through eternity!

Trump's direct quotes about coronavirus:

January 22: “We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that's going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: "Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? They're politicizing it…they have no clue…they dont have any clue…this is their new hoax."
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: ““The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant,”
March 13: "I take no responsibility."

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's because Trump's a leader and Trudeau is just a worthless virtue signaller, pumped up by the MSM. 

Doug Ford is running things here and he's doing a pretty good job

Canada is leaderless and Trudeau is sidelined, but in reality, most of our relevant services are delivered by the province anyways, Canada itself, is just a boondoogle

Trudeau wont take command, so each province is basically on its own

Edited March 26, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Absolutely! The stirring words of your commander in chief rallying the nation will live through eternity!

Trump's direct quotes about coronavirus:

 

 

Wow...even more Trump in a Trudeau thread.

Trump just dominates....Canadian media is all over Trump again today over border troops.

Trump...Trump...Trump !

[Rue]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Wow...even more Trump in a Trudeau thread.

Trump just dominates....Canadian media is all over Trump again today over border troops.

Trump...Trump...Trump !

Not me. I only care what the next President Kanye West has to say.

[Yzermandius19]

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The economy will not be destroyed unless you lose the war,  you must defend against the enemy as the highest priority, people whining in the ranks about it, you just ignore them

Tunnel visioning on one factor can lead to a cure worse than the disease, all this ignore everything else leads to that kind of a response. I reject this idiotic premise out of hand.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Tunnel visioning on one factor can lead to a cure worse than the disease, all this ignore everything else leads to that kind of a response. I reject this idiotic premise out of hand.

When a state is as unprepared as Canada, a biological warfare attack has exponential effects, the whole rotten social welfare gulag is overwhelmed by a blitzkrieg

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

When a state is as unprepared as Canada, a biological warfare attack has exponential effects, the whole rotten social welfare gulag is overwhelmed by a blitzkrieg

Making it worse by tunnel visioning on a single factor and ignoring all the problems caused by doing so isn't going to help.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Making it worse by tunnel visioning on a single factor and ignoring all the problems caused by doing so isn't going to help.

The government is totally unprepared, they are making bad decisions, but they are in command, I am only in command of what I am in command of

The government doesn't know how to fight a war ?  Yes.  I know.

[Yzermandius19]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The government doesn't know how to fight a war ?  Yes.  I know.

Well you seem to be parroting the rationale behind their incompetence, so what's up with that? Why should I rally behind the counter-productive solutions, instead of the productive ones?

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Well you seem to be parroting their rationale even though you know it's idiotic, so what's up with that?

I have for all intents and purposes been conscripted for war, so at this point I am mobilized & operational,  they are in command, I obey

 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I have for all intents and purposes been conscripted for war, so at this point I am mobilized & operational,  they are in command, I obey

 

I ain't in the army, and if they issue stupid orders, I'm going to point it out. F*ck their conscription and the horse it rode in on, just because they are in command doesn't mean they are helping.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I ain't in the army, and if they issue stupid orders, I'm going to point it out. F*ck their conscription and the horse it rode in on, just because they are in command doesn't mean they are helping.

Nobody is stopping you.   

An order has been issued under the authority of Her Majesty as Commander-in-Chief

At that point I simply salute and carry on with battle procedure

Canada is not a republic, I am not a citizen soldier, I am a professional

Edited March 27, 2020 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nobody is stopping you.   

An order has been issued under the authority of Her Majesty as Commander-in-Cheif

At that point I simply salute and carry with battle procedure

Canada is not a republic, I am not a citizen soldier, I am a professional

I am not going to assist them in their obvious friendly fire, and I am going to call them out for doing it. Friendly fire doesn't win wars, who knew? If you want to make excuses for them, because you were "conscripted", that certainly isn't going to change my mind, or stop me from making fun of their insane levels of incompetence.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I am not going to assist them in their obvious friendly fire, and I am going to call them out for doing it. Friendly fire doesn't win wars, who knew? If you want to make excuses for them, because you were "conscripted", that certainly isn't going to change my mind, or stop me from making fun of their insane levels of incompetence.

I am a property owner, I have no choice, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide

I don't make any excuses, I've been drafted

People without responsibilities in the community are the responsibility of the cops

I just do what I'm told on my land, because that is literally the law right now,  and I am nothing if not law abiding

Edited March 27, 2020 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am a property owner, I have no choice, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide

I don't make any excuses, I've been drafted

People without responsibilities in the community are the responsibility of the cops

I just do what I'm told on my land, because that is literally the law right now,  and I am nothing if not law abiding

You can abide by the law without making silly excuses for the buffoons fucking up the response with continuous friendly fire, pro tip.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You can abide by the law without making silly excuses for the buffoons fucking up the response with continuous friendly fire, pro tip.

I make no excuses for them, it's a state of emergency, their word is the law, thus my opinion is irrelevant, so I choose not to debate it, because that is a fools errand

I am a property owner and I am married to an upstanding woman, I'm not some hippy living in a van down by the river

I have no choice but to obey the government so there's no point in critiquing their performance, that all comes out in the after action reviews

Edited March 27, 2020 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 thus my opinion is irrelevant, so I choose not to debate it, because that is a fools errand

Not to me it isn't. I want your opinion, not this constant boring refrain that all the matters is the governments opinion, and you are just their instrument. Like you've beat that horse to death enough already, change it up.

Whether your opinion effects policy or not is irrelevant, your opinion is not.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Not to me it isn't. I want your opinion, not this constant boring refrain that all the matters is the governments opinion, and you are just their instrument. Like you've beat that horse to death enough already, change it up.

My opinion is that people should obey the chain of command and support the war effort in that way, resistance is counterproductive in a state of emergency mobilization

 

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

My opinion is that people should obey the chain of command and support the war effort in that way, resistance is counterproductive in a state of emergency mobilization

 

Any opinions on what the chain of command should be doing if they weren't totally incompetent? Or would you rather play baby games and just say listen to the government?

Edited March 27, 2020 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Any opinions on what the chain of command should be doing if they weren't totally incompetent? Or would you rather play baby games and just say listen to the government?

I said that they were incompetent.   I don't have any say in the matter, so I just get on with my share of the work, someday there will be another election, but not right now

The Liberals might be brought down by this, but then the Other Liberals take over, so it's a wash

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

I said that they were incompetent.   I don't have any say in the matter, so I just get on with my share of the work, someday there will be another election, but not right now

The Liberals might be brought down by this, but then the Other Liberals take over, so it's a wash

Right but I'm asking what you think the optimal response would be, just because you aren't in charge doesn't make that opinion irrelevant, that makes no sense at all, you just don't want to answer the question for some really bizarre reason that makes no sense either.