Jerusalem is Israel's Capital...

[Guest]

Just now, eyeball said:

Feel free to educate me about what eating blood has to do with retaliation in the context I used it in.  I thought sapper's attempt to be disingenuous was pathetic but before you carry on any further - you don't think this made it pretty clear who and what was under discussion?

 

Which one?  There are so many I lose count.

[eyeball]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Which one?  There are so many I lose count.

Good grief man...you can't connect the fucking arrows yourself?  You can still count them on one hand for Christ's sake. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Good grief man...you can't connect the fucking arrows yourself?  You can still count them on one hand for Christ's sake. 

The problem is, it's always in the eye of the beholder.  Is it because I didn't see the Christ like figure that Marcus saw?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

The problem is, it's always in the eye of the beholder.  Is it because I didn't see the Christ like figure that Marcus saw?

The problem is politics. You switched the victim and the perp while ignoring the asshole.

OftenWrong is cleverly trying, apparently, to introduce blood libel into the topic.  Go figure that one out.

You guys are a freakin' hoot.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You guys are a freakin' hoot.

I aim to please.

[marcus]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There is no need to "justify" anything.

The "racist colonial" power(s) have not been pushed aside in Canada or the United States.

South Africa developed its reserve model from Canada's example.

Perhaps you need to make a visit to Canada, because the indigenous in Canada are not being treated anywhere the same way the indigenous in Palestine are. Also, the rules and regulations imposed on the Palestinians are nothing like what is in Canada.

But do go on, trying to pretend otherwise.. 

[Altai]

President Erdogan said "Today who thinks that they are the owner of Jarusalem (the city of islam) will not even be able to find a tree to hide behind it."


 

Edited December 11, 2017 by Altai

[marcus]

The world endangered by a coke-‘n-cable TV addict Americans elected as their leader — what he does so do his followers: drink coke, watch TV, and slumber through their wretched lives as hazardous waste to the environment —

The number one hero of Zionists in the White House is a sick psychopath who sees the world through the hallucinatory smokescreen of fake fizzy bubbles and fat and vulgar lies — Israel and Trump are a match made in hell —

[Altai]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

The world endangered by a coke-‘n-cable TV addict Americans elected as their leader — what he does so do his followers: drink coke, watch TV, and slumber through their wretched lives as hazardous waste to the environment .................

 

What are the proofs or evidences for such a news done my NYTimes ?

Edited December 11, 2017 by Altai

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, marcus said:

Perhaps you need to make a visit to Canada, because the indigenous in Canada are not being treated anywhere the same way the indigenous in Palestine are. Also, the rules and regulations imposed on the Palestinians are nothing like what is in Canada.

 

Then surely you would agree that the wonderfully "racist" system in Canada would be a great solution for Palestine too....you know...since it is so great in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

The world endangered by a coke-‘n-cable TV addict Americans elected as their leader — what he does so do his followers: drink coke, watch TV, and slumber through their wretched lives as hazardous waste to the environment —

 

Coke is good enough for Palestinians too....a fourth bottling plant has been completed in Palestine.

 

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/retail/2015/06/20/Gaza-s-Coca-Cola-plant-to-start-operating-in-October-.html

Edited December 11, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

President Trump's recognition of the reality for Israel's capital only highlights the continued loss of powerful allies for Palestinian statehood and anti-Israeli objectives:

 

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While Palestinians are heartened by the anti-U.S. and anti-Israel protests that have erupted around the world since Mr. Trump announced the diplomatic U-turn, they suspect they are running out of allies powerful enough to convince Mr. Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to commit to a two-state solution that would put the Palestinian capital in Muslim East Jerusalem.

 

To be sure, most of the Arab countries throughout the Middle East, while condemning Mr. Trump's move, seem far more concerned with their own crises, ranging from the civil war in Syria to the war in Yemen, which is pitting Iranian-backed Shia Houthi rebels against a coalition of largely Sunni countries led by Saudi Arabia. "Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries do not make us a priority for them," said Mahmoud al-Aloul, vice-chairman of Fatah, Palestine's ruling political party, and a touted replacement for Mr. Abbas, who is 82 and no longer popular with Palestinians. "That's a problem for us, absolutely."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/palestinians-search-for-allies-on-jerusalem-issue/article37285750/

 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Trump's recognition of the reality for Israel's capital only highlights the continued loss of powerful allies for Palestinian statehood and anti-Israeli objectives:

So , is it only West Jerusalem considered the capital? Or are they considering ALL of Jerusalem as the capital.

[Rue]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

So , is it only West Jerusalem considered the capital? Or are they considering ALL of Jerusalem as the capital.

So is it only West Jerusalem or all of Israel the PA, Hamas, the Arab League and the 300 other Palestinian cells  don't recognize as the Jewish state of Israel?

 

 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎12‎-‎10 at 3:29 AM, Altai said:

Yeru-Shalom 

Shalom=Selam 

Selam=Seleme

Seleme=Islam 

The City of Islam 

 

Bite your fingers 

The above is an example of just how stupid and banial these threads become and why the majority of people that used to be on this forum left.

The word is SHALEM not SHALOM.

The root-verb is Hebrew and in Hebrew its  שלם (shalem).

Shalem does not magically turn into Selam because Altai wants it to. It has a meaning and it feres to "wholeness" or "completeness" or "unbrokenness". The opposite verb in Hebrew is RAA  or  רעע, ra'a).

The sheer stupidity of what Altai does is to say because Shalem sounds like Seleme it means the same. Of course it does not and you will not find any source anywhere that would take the Arabic language and misinterpret it that way. In fact the equivalent word for Shalom in Arabic would be Salaam not Selam as anyone who speaks Arabic knows.

Salaam and Selem are not close in the Arabic language just in Altai's mind.

Shalem is in fact a Hebew verb is used to describe  the uncut stones of the altar as stated in Deuteronomy 27:6 and the temple in 1 Kings 6:7.

It is referred to as a "full" or  "righteous" wage in Ruth 2:12, and the total sum of a  population in (Amos 1:6.

It also is used to describe  "full" and "just weights" that is said to "delight" or God or make God happy in Deuteronomy 25:15 and Proverbs 11:1.

Its used in Kings 8:61 to describe a "full" heart devoted to God. It was also used as a  verb to  denote the completeness of sin in (Genesis 15:16  and in Jeremiah 20:10, Psalm 41:10) it was used in relation to friendship.

It has nothing to do with Islam. Not a phacking thing.

To shalemize someone in Hebrew refers to  achieving wholeness   by paying compensation/restiotution or making a promise to undo a sin. It was used to describe God paying  a man according to his work (Job 34:11),. In Exodus  21:36  its a story of an owner being compensated  for the  accidental  killing of his  ox.

Its used to describe paying off a debt with oil in (2 Kings 4:7); and in the story where the Gibeonites are said to have swindled or tricked Joshua  into making a covenant with them in Joshua 10:1.

The verb shalem  was used to describe the  vows paid to God , or when days of mourning were said to be completed in (Isaiah 60:20  and was used in reference to the " Messiah"  in Joel 2:25.

Altai is not only ignorant but deliberately so. She knows nothing of Hebrew, the Bible and the actual origin of the word in Hebrew and things because she thinks it sounds like a word for Islam presto it becomes so. This is not just childish and idiotic, its petulant. There's no source she quotes and most importantly she shows her ignorance not only of Hebrew but the Arabic language. Selame and Salaam don't magicaly mean the same thing because Alta chooses to ignore what the word Salaam means which is the closest Arabic word to Saleme.

Would this "Alta" quote a source? Lol.

To give you an idea of just how stupid Alta is being look at this list you will see the sheer number of words close to the Hebrew word shalem. Islam or selame is but one and she has no clue as to all the rest.

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Associated Biblical names

♂Abishalomאבישלום

♂Absalomאבשלום
אבשלם

♂Bishlamבשלם

☺Islamישלם

⌂∩Jerusalemירושלם
ירושלים

♂Meshelemiahמשלמיה

♂Meshillemithמשלמית

♂Meshillemothמשלמות

♂Meshullamמשלם

♀Meshullemethמשלמת

☺Muslimמשלם

⌂Salemשלם

♀SalomeΣαλωμη

♂♕Shallumשלום
שלם

♂Shallunשלון

♂Shalmaiשלמי

♂♕Shalmaneserשלמנאסר

♂Shelemiahשלמיה

♂Shelomiשלמי

♂♀Shelomithשלמית

♂Shelumielשלמיאל

☺Shulammite

 

I find the petulance of Altai something typical of so called Muslim radicals. They show contempt for any knowledge or culture other than the one they think they advocate and they are so ignorant they don't even understand their own culture and languages.

Here are my sources to start with:

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Jerusalem.html#.Wi7hyo-cGaF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Jerusalem

https://sidroth.org/articles/real-meaning-jerusalem/

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/jerusalem/

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1206280/jewish/Who-Named-Jerusalem.htm

 

Next and here is why I call Altai out as a liar. No one using the Arabic language uses the word Jerusalem. They use the term  Al-Quds or Baitul-Maqdis.

Next. Muslims are told Jerusalem is the third holiest site for Muslims after Mecca and then Medina.

 Muhammad was said to have travelled one night  to Jerusalem. Interestingly this journey was never mentioned in the Koran and good luck even finding the word Jerusalem in the Koran. In fact  Sura 17 states  that Allah is said to have  taken  Muhammad from “the Sacred Mosque” in Mecca “to the farthest [al-aqsa] Mosque.”  however the Al Asqa Mosque in Jerusalem the one with the Gold Dome never existed at the time Muhammed went there on journey and the Koran referred to another mosque but hey in today's Islam the fact that there was no Al Asqua mosque doesn't prevent the masses of Muslims from overlooking that it did not yet exist and so was NOT  the “farthest” mosque referred to in Sura 17.

As stated Jerusalem rates not a single mention in the Quran, and Muslims in fact face Mecca in prayer. It was in the 7th century A.D., that the then  Damascus-based Umayyad rulers built up Jerusalem as a counterweight to Mecca. This is when in fact the Muslim shrines, the Dome of the Rock (691) and the Al-Aqsa mosque (705), were built and they were built  on the site of the destroyed biblical Jewish temples—a deliberate act of ignorance and insult which was done to  signal the dominance of Islam over Judaism.

Let it be crystal clear. Any t reference in the Koran  of  Muhammad’s night journey to heaven on his horse  Buraq from the “farthest mosque”  did NOT  mean Jerusalem as its today interpreted , because the Koran  refers to the land of Israel as the “nearest” place and it  couldn’t have been a reference to the Al-Aqsa mosque, for the simple reason that Al-Aqsa didn’t exist or was built when Muhammed was alive.

When the Umayyad dynasty elapsed  and the Muslim  caliphate (government(  them moved to Baghdad, Jerusalem went into a  decline. It had no signifigance to Muslims until the Christians showed up during the Crusader period and then later when the  Ottoman Empire took it over in the absence of anyone else.  This is why for example when  Mark Twain, visited  in 1867, he described it as  a “pauper village.”

Jerusalem again  becme a Jewish-majority city during the 19th century AND AS PER THE 1907 Baedekers Travel Guide lists Jerusalem was listed with  a population of 40,000 Jews, 13,000 Muslims and 7,000 Christians and it meant so little to the Ottoman Empire during WW1 they let the  British take it over.

The myth of Jerusalem being a Muslim holy city is just that.  It was rewritten as a Muslim holy city in response to ZIONISM and Jews showing up in Jerusalem and in Palestine

.In fact it was the pro Nazi Jew hating   Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini the" Uncle" of Yasir Arafat, who created this muth,

To incite a Muslim war on Jews in Palestine Palestine’s  he fabricated, HE MADE UP a false story  that the wall to which Muhammad was believed to have tethered his steed Buraq was not the southern or eastern walls, as Muslims had asserted for centuries, but the Western Wall, Judaism’s holiest prayer site.

This was used by the Muslims and is still used today to  forbids Jewish prayer at the Jewish religion’s holiest site, the Temple Mount. It also is used to do the same to Christians.

This is why the Western Wall became a  flashpoint for conflict. However the vast majority of people who come on this forum and spew their crap about Israel have no clue as to this or the actual creation of the myth of Jerusalem. Muslim scholars do and don't even buy into the crap of the PA, Iran, and pathetic parrots on this thread like Altai. Then we have experts like Ghost who know nothing of Jewish or Muslim history let alone the New testament who are self appointed geniuses who assume there is a magical line between East and West Jerusalem because they say so.

In fact there was a massive Arab assault on Jews across Palestine in 1929, in which 133 Jews were murdered and hundreds more maimed, triggered by false rumors that Jews had attacked, or were intending to attack, the mosques atop the Temple Mount. 

Even the pro Nazi anti semite Mufti of Jerusalem   recognized that the Holy Mount was a  site of the biblical Jewish temples. It was Arafat and Abbas who then changed this and have stated publically there was NO Jewish temple or temples in Jerusalem.

In fact the Jerusalem Muslim Supreme Council’s publication, “A Brief Guide to the Haram Al-Sharif,” states, “Its (the Mount in Jerusalem) identity with the site of Solomon’s Temple is beyond dispute.” Then magically in 1954, all further editions of this publication deleted any reference to Sloomon's temple.

During Jordan’s illegal occupation and annexation of eastern Jerusalem from 1948-1967, Amman remained the Jordanian capital, not Jerusalem and no Arab rulers, other than King Abdullah, then King Hussein ever visited Jerusalem and still don't.

This assumption East Jerusalem is off limits to Jews comes from where? It was never part of any sovereign nation. Why is it assumed automatically that it  can not be part of a Jewish state? This is part of the myth that Palestine is whatever and wherever Abbas and the Arab League say it is. Horseshit.

The entire West Bank and East Jerusalem were never part of a sovereign nation and are in dispute. Jordan in fact was created illegally and is already a Palestinian state.

Now the Palestinians want a second state but this second state has never been referred to by Arafat, the Mufti, Abbas ANY Palestinian terrorist or leader as only the West Bank. In fact they state time and time again it means all of Israel, Jordan and the West Bank and the only way Israel gets recognized are if MUSLIMS claiming to be descended from Palestinians with NO PROOF are given automatic right to enter Israel and given citizenship and land. This would mean Israel would only bhe recognized by Abbas if it becomes Muslim majority and his constitution clearly states it would have to be a MUSLIM Sharia law state and that this would be the first step to amalgamating it with Jordan and the West Bank into one Muslim sharia law state.

Jerusalem is not a stand alone issue. Its always been attached to a claim that all of Israel not just the East of Jerusalem belongs in a Muslim sharia law state.

That sharia law state as Hamas and Abbas have made it clear, will not permit 250,000 ultra-orthodox Jews who are not Zionist to stay in Hebron and its surrounding area even though they have lived their longer than any Muslim Palestinian. This nation will not recognize the right of any Jew or Christian to own land. It would return non Muslims to the status of dhimmi, second class inferiors unable to own land or have the same legal rights as Muslims. This is why the PA-Hamas do NOT recognize Christian church land titles which consist of 90% of Jerusalem.

Unlike the anti Israelis on this board who necessarily deny Jewish history and reinvent Muslim history, some deliberately and others out of ignorance, I provide sources for my positions.

I say to Ghost and anyone else who wants to draw a line down Jerusalem, you engage in colonial, racist, ignorance. You make no effort to study the indigenous roots of Jerusalem or its history and assume you can arbitrarily draw a line between it without so much as an attempt to address the history of all three religions connected to it.

The fact is Muslims have no greater right to any part of Jerusalem than Jews or Christians. All three have equal rights. The arbitrary decision to split it down the middle came about from Jordan illegally occupying it.

In a comprehensive peace settlement there would have to be some formula so that if there was a second Palestinian state on the West Bank that recognized Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state , both nations could access it and the rights of Christians would also be protected.

It is bullshit to discuss Jerusalem without acknowledging the division of East and West is the starting point. It never was. That is a creation that Jordan created. Had the UN been honest and followed up on the League of Nations mandate it let expire, Jerusalem would never have been part of Jordan and Jordan would have been the only Palestinian state.

The Arab League of Nations acknowledged Jordan as the Jewish free Palestinian state then declared war to rid Palestine of Jews, not to create a second Palestinian state, but only to murder Jews as it said. Arafat and all the Palestinian leaders ridiculed the concept of a Palestinian state and said they were Arabs seeing one large Muslim caliphate in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the West Bank and Israel. It was only in 1967 when  Jordan had enough of Arafat and expelled him for trying to kill Huseein in the Black Sabbath uprising, Arafat reinvented the term Palestinian as a nationalist collective identity as he openly admitted.

Abbas the same person who wrote his Ph.d thesis claiming there was no holocaust reinvented Canaanites as Palestinians in his rewriting of Middle East history. In the world of Abbas anyone in the Middle East who is not a Jew is a Palestinian and should have  access to Israel as no Jewish state should exist in the Middle East which he envisions as one Muslim territory.

The only thing that has screwed up Abbas and Hamas and the other terrorists is the civil war between Shiite and Sunnis. If Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan did not need Israel to buffer Iran, they would have carried on financing Palestinian terrorists.

Let's also not estimate with the collapse of the US presence in the Middle East, China took over forming military alliances with Iran and Israel and Syria all at the same time preventing them from a war and then China moved to pacify Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan when Obama turned on all three trying to prop a Muslim Brotherhood revolution with the failed Morsi of Egypt, Obama's half brother, the head financier of Sudan, and the lunatic Erdogan of Turkey whose ISIL project blew up in his and Obama's face.

Of course Trump recognized Jerusalem. Its a not so subtle message he rejects Obama's last 8 years of molly coddlying Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. Trump has never stated a second Palestinian state should not exist and co-exist with Israel in Jerusalem. All he said was Israel's capital is Jerusalem which it is.

The fiction of placating Arab countries and pretending this is not so only feeds the myth they can dismantle Israel as a Jewish state and deny any Jewish presence anywhere in the Middle East not just in Jerusalem..

 

 

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-myth-of-jerusalems-holiness-to-muslims/2017/06/02/

https://www.thebereancall.org/content/islamic-myths-about-jerusalem

http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2017/5/24/end-the-propaganda-myth-that-jerusalem-is-holy-to-muslims#.Wi7rrI-cFKM=

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rue]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

The number one hero of Zionists in the White House is a sick psychopath who sees the world through the hallucinatory smokescreen of fake fizzy bubbles and fat and vulgar lies — Israel and Trump are a match made in hell —

 

In fact the majority of US Jews voted for Obama. The ones that were Republicans voted for other candidates. You again spew bullshit.

[Rue]

11 hours ago, Altai said:

President Erdogan said "Today who thinks that they are the owner of Jarusalem (the city of islam) will not even be able to find a tree to hide behind it."


 

Today I called Erdogan an idiot and anyone who parrots him cogntiively  deficient. The point? Who the hack cares.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, marcus said:

Perhaps you need to make a visit to Canada, because the indigenous in Canada are not being treated anywhere the same way the indigenous in Palestine are.

They are in fact treated far worse and for someone who claims to be a Canadian your ignorance as to that fact is interesting.

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎12‎-‎10 at 3:38 PM, bcsapper said:

Which one?  There are so many I lose count.

I think Sap we need a coke. I would like to get one with the special names on them. I would like Don on my coke or Dick at this point.

You know seriously I prefer Pepsi. That said I will say this. Back in 1949 when Israel was started the Arab League said to Coke, if they sold Coke in Israel the Arab League would boycott them. Pepsi, Schweppes, 7Up all the soft drink companies except Coke sold drinks in Israel. Coke  told the Arab world to phack off. Interestingly the non Coca Cola products did not gain any marketing advantage over Coke. To this day you won't see Pepsi in Israel for that reason.

Yah these boycotts really hurt those Israelis  One of the reasons it is believed Coca Cola did not boycott Israel was that its upper echelon were believed to be religious Christians who felt Israel was destined. Jesus, Coke and the Jews. 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, Rue said:

I think Sap we need a coke. I would like to get one with the special names on them. I would like Don on my coke or Dick at this point.

You know seriously I prefer Pepsi. That said I will say this. Back in 1949 when Israel was started the Arab League said to Coke, if they sold Coke in Israel the Arab League would boycott them. Pepsi, Schweppes, 7Up all the soft drink companies except Coke sold drinks in Israel. Coke  told the Arab world to phack off. Interestingly the non Coca Cola products did not gain any marketing advantage over Coke. To this day you won't see Pepsi in Israel for that reason.

Yah these boycotts really hurt those Israelis  One of the reasons it is believed Coca Cola did not boycott Israel was that its upper echelon were believed to be religious Christians who felt Israel was destined. Jesus, Coke and the Jews. 

I assume vaseline  must be available there.

[-TSS-]

The whole issue of Jerusalem is unsolvable and therefore the whole Middle-East conflict. All sides of the argument claim that Jerusalem is theirs and theirs only and none of them will listen to any West-Jerusalem/East-Jerusalem-nonsense.

By the way, a couple of days ago there was an arson-attack in the synagogue in the Swedish city of Gothenburg. Luckily no-one got hurt but it could have been far worse. It appears that the motive for the attack was this Jerusalem-thing.

The President of the United States says that his country will move its embassy to another city in Israel then there is a violent backlash in Sweden. Perhaps there is some logic to it.

Edited December 11, 2017 by -TSS-

[Argus]

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 6:32 PM, Scott Mayers said:

Too much to respond to today. It appears my 'depth' may too deep for anyone here. I'll try to come back later and possibly try again later tonight.

You give yourself far too much credit, or perhaps, you imagine your academic theories are even slightly applicable or sensible in the light of common day. They're not. You're not.

[GostHacked]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

So is it only West Jerusalem or all of Israel the PA, Hamas, the Arab League and the 300 other Palestinian cells  don't recognize as the Jewish state of Israel?

 

 

Considering no one is required to recognize any nation as specific religious nation (aside from possibly the Vatican) that's essentially a useless question at this point. I can recognize Israel as a sovereign nation state and that is all that is expected of me and that's all Israel can ask for.  Wondering if that is enough to simply recognize it as a nation state or am I required to recognize Israel as specifically a Jewish sovereign nation state?  It also seems that a good deal of Israelis want to kick all the Arabs out of the occupied territories, claiming that God gave them this land. There is no two state solution, never was and never will be. Time will prove that notion right when Israel in a few more years outright claims the land from the Jordan River right up to the coast. The settlements are part of that plan.

And it seems by your last long post, you are also opposed to a two-state solution.

Edited December 12, 2017 by GostHacked

[OftenWrong]

On 10/12/2017 at 5:46 PM, eyeball said:

The problem is politics. You switched the victim and the perp while ignoring the asshole.

OftenWrong is cleverly trying, apparently, to introduce blood libel into the topic.  Go figure that one out.

You guys are a freakin' hoot.

Relax dude... lol

I did not try to introduce "blood libel" into the topic. I don't even know what the heck blood libel is.
But if that has somehow ticked off the voices in your head, perhaps you need to calm down. 

Also, if sudden intense feelings of paranoia or other cognitive dissonance should suddenly sweep over you, check in to your local emergency room, crisis centre, and if possible tell Mom.

 

[Argus]

My initial response to Trump's announcement was to shake my head and sigh. The dumb man was bloviating again in an attempt to distract, without the slightest care of what trouble that might cause. What's the point of it, after all? It changes nothing. It will not help the situation, only earn the Americans enmity from a lot of Muslims and make it much harder for them to even pretend to act as honest brokers for peace. Not that that was going anywhere anyway...

So I wish yellow face had kept his mouth shut on this. It accomplishes nothing. That being said, there is no question Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and always will be as long as Israel exists. That is the cold hard reality. Anyone who doubts it is either lying to themselves or is an idiot.

As to justification. Israel is the ancient capital of the Jews, but that is not really justification. The Romans owned it for a thousand years or more. Does that mean it's an Italian city?  The Muslims took the city away, and then swept out destroying other Christian cities and lands or forcibly converting the survivors by sword-point, eventually even slaughtering and raping their way to Constantinople (with a lot of help from the Fourth Crusade, ironically, which permanently weakened Constantinople and Rome). The same people who castigate the west for occupying native lands and 'cultural genocide'  make no mention of the far harsher invasion and slaughter of the Christian lands and peoples in Egypt, Syria and Turkey by the Muslims. Instead they now use charts to show how most of the population afterward was Muslim to show that they deserve the land!

Jerusalem was pretty much a backwater, supremely unimportant to the Muslim world for most of its existence, as was the entire region of Palestine. Regardless of what empire ruled it was nothing more than a backwater. To suggest, as some of the Jew haters have, that Jews moving there in large number was somehow illegitimate is astonishingly hypocritical given the same people who make such suggestions grow outraged at any similar suggestion with regard to immigrants to Canada or the United States - including the illegals and their descendants.

The fact is they did move there, and they were legally given control of the area. Another fine example of hypocrisy is how certain people embrace the UN as the arbiter of all that is just and legal in the world - except in this case - where they say it shouldn't count. Not that these people have anything against Jews, of course. Phht. Jerusalem only assumed importance when it became Israel's capital. Then the Arabs all thought it was desperately important - for some reason. Jordan annexed East Jerusalem and declared it its second capital, then expelled the Jews, heavily persecuted the Christians so most left, desecrated Jewish holy sites and treated the Christian ones with only slightly less contempt. When Jordan attacked West Jerusalem in 1967 the Jews kicked their asses and took the rest of the city over. Tough noogies Muslims. You lost. Deal with it.

To suggest Muslims have some sort of superior right to Jerusalem is to sanctify right by conquest. Yet the same people who make such a suggestion explicitly reject the right of ownership by conquest when its Jews doing the conquering. For some reason. Not that they've got anything against Jews, of course.

So pardon me if I find all the 'outrage' from the likes of Prog lefties in the West (not that they've got anything against Jews, of course), or corrupt autocratic Muslim dictators like Erdogan to be nothing more than escaping  anal gases - and just about as worthy of admiration.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Argus