Trump bucks the GOP on their border policies, says " if it doesn't benefit MY CAMPAIGN , drop all negotiations entirely!

[Caswell Thomas]

Well, TRUMP has done it again, really put his COLOSSAL EGO in his mouth...but also crammed it into the mouths of every Republican, that NO BORDER POLICY Negotiations can be agreed to unless HE does them and only after he gets re-elected , as the Border crisis itself is UNIMPORTANT unless HE can use it to put blane on  President Biden's failed policies there as part of his Campaign.  This has led  now to many Republican Congressional  leaders thinking that Trump is wasting their time, ruining their negotiations on a major part of the Country's Budget crisis, still another problem with the major obstructor again Trump and his MAGA leaders. 

 

[CdnFox]

well your link certainly proves that ..... oh, wait.....

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Well, TRUMP has done it again, really put his COLOSSAL EGO in his mouth...but also crammed it into the mouths of every Republican, that NO BORDER POLICY Negotiations can be agreed to unless HE does them and only after he gets re-elected , as the Border crisis itself is UNIMPORTANT unless HE can use it to put blane on  President Biden's failed policies there as part of his Campaign.  This has led  now to many Republican Congressional  leaders thinking that Trump is wasting their time, ruining their negotiations on a major part of the Country's Budget crisis, still another problem with the major obstructor again Trump and his MAGA leaders. 

Trump is right. The government is no longer to be trusted with our borders. Look no further than Texas to see where our citizenry stands with the illegitimate President. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Trump is right. The government is no longer to be trusted with our borders. Look no further than Texas to see where our citizenry stands with the illegitimate President. 

Thanks for continuing to prove your complete fealty to Trump, the MAGA CULT, and that you all consider Trump's campaign to be MORE IMPORTANT than a bipartisan SOLUTION to the border problem.

Like Mitt Romney said, "Appalling’ Trump wants to kill border bill so he can ‘blame Biden’"

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Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday took aim at former President Trump for pushing Republican lawmakers to oppose a border deal so that he could use the issue to campaign against President Biden in the 2024 presidential election.

Romney told CNN’s Manu Raju he thought it was “really appalling” that Trump would try to prevent progress on addressing the surge in migration at the southern border.

Trump would be proud, and maybe even pay you a bonus. 🤮

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for continuing to prove your complete fealty to Trump, the MAGA CULT, and that you all consider Trump's campaign to be MORE IMPORTANT than a bipartisan SOLUTION to the border problem.

Like Mitt Romney said, "Appalling’ Trump wants to kill border bill so he can ‘blame Biden’"

Trump would be proud, and maybe even pay you a bonus. 🤮

No, thank you for selling out the American people, right alongside the fake president. You're both traitors and should be imprisoned immediately. 

America's not in the mood for your open border fantasies, and they'll prove it in this next election. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for continuing to prove your complete fealty to Trump, the MAGA CULT,

Why would you thank him for that? You're so weird.

[godzilla]

funny how Trump fans can post but... not address the any facts. because they have no answers because this is coming right out of Trumps mouth.

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, thank you for selling out the American people, right alongside the fake president. You're both traitors and should be imprisoned immediately. 

America's not in the mood for your open border fantasies, and they'll prove it in this next election. 

You've just ^contradicted your desire for a solution to "open border," by prioritizing Trump's campaign interests over an actual solution on the table NOW.

[Deluge]

35 minutes ago, godzilla said:

funny how Trump fans can post but... not address the any facts. because they have no answers because this is coming right out of Trumps mouth.

You mean right out of Texas, into (and then out of) Trump's mouth. Get it right, you stunted degenerate. 

You and your fake president want open borders and Texas is telling you traitors to go f*ck yourselves. It's a beautiful sight.

Edited January 26 by Deluge

[Yakuda]

16 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Well, TRUMP has done it again, really put his COLOSSAL EGO in his mouth...but also crammed it into the mouths of every Republican, that NO BORDER POLICY Negotiations can be agreed to unless HE does them and only after he gets re-elected , as the Border crisis itself is UNIMPORTANT unless HE can use it to put blane on  President Biden's failed policies there as part of his Campaign.  This has led  now to many Republican Congressional  leaders thinking that Trump is wasting their time, ruining their negotiations on a major part of the Country's Budget crisis, still another problem with the major obstructor again Trump and his MAGA leaders. 

 

 

 But bidens failed policies are to blame fot the immigration invasion. 

[godzilla]

simple question... the GOP are about wrap up a border deal that improves the situation in favour of what the GOP want. but Trump is trashing. why?

it makes no sense. the GOP can rack this up as a win and claim that further GOP power in 2024 will push more in that direction. why?

another question that Trump supporters can't answer! why are there so many of these?

don't worry... not holding my breath while waiting for a response.

i'm calling it. i believe its also tied to Ukraine. the GOP senate will now try to extract Ukraine from the border (you know, the number one threat to national security). and Trump will feverishly attempt to prevent it.

yet another question for Trump supporters! why does Trump want Putin to have Ukraine?

Edited January 26 by godzilla

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

simple question... the GOP are about wrap up a border deal that improves the situation in favour of what the GOP want. but Trump is trashing. why?

it makes no sense. the GOP can rack this up as a win and claim that further GOP power in 2024 will push more in that direction. why?

another question that Trump supporters can't answer! why are there so many of these?

don't worry... not holding my breath while waiting for a response.

i'm calling it. i believe its also tied to Ukraine. the GOP senate will now try to extract Ukraine from the border (you know, the number one threat to national security). and Trump will feverishly attempt to prevent it.

yet another question for Trump supporters! why does Trump want Putin to have Ukraine?

Dude there's so much wrong in there it's hard to know where to start.

Obviously trump doesn't like the deal and thinks he can do better. So he's saying don't do it as is.  That happens all the time. Just because YOU like it doesn't mean others will.  And being a 'no compromise' candidate gets him lots of support.

It's just as dumb as saying "why doesn't biden just give trump everything he wants, then the issue is his problem and it goes away'.  Sure  - but it's more complex.

And yes it entirely makes sense.

And go ahead and hold your breath.  We weren't worried.  

You call a lot of things. None of it seems to come when you call.  Maybe we need to buy you a leash

[herbie]

End the problem. Lock up the people who hire them.

Then enjoy your $6 a head lettuce and your $25 hr. housekeeping.

(just like we do...)

[godzilla]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude there's so much wrong in there it's hard to know where to start.

Obviously trump doesn't like the deal and thinks he can do better. So he's saying don't do it as is.  That happens all the time. Just because YOU like it doesn't mean others will.  And being a 'no compromise' candidate gets him lots of support.

It's just as dumb as saying "why doesn't biden just give trump everything he wants, then the issue is his problem and it goes away'.  Sure  - but it's more complex.

And yes it entirely makes sense.

And go ahead and hold your breath.  We weren't worried.  

You call a lot of things. None of it seems to come when you call.  Maybe we need to buy you a leash

nope. as i stated... the GOP senate says this gets the GOP things they want. Trump and the GOP can get the rest later. its a GOP win... but Trump wants the win all to himself.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Yakuda said:

 But bidens failed policies are to blame fot the immigration invasion. 

Not at all. In REALITY it is the result of recent extreme violence in North Central America.

Millions in North Central America engulfed by war-like levels of violence

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Extreme levels of violence in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador are shattering lives and compounding humanitarian needs. Almost one in three people in North Central America are in urgent need of aid. The international community continues to overlook this crisis and is failing to provide adequate funding. It is becoming yet another large, protracted, neglected humanitarian disaster, warns the Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC).   

“The kinds of stories people have been telling me here in Honduras are similar to those from people in war-zones like Syria, Yemen or Ukraine,” said Jan Egeland, Secretary General of NRC, whilst visiting the country last week. “Violence permeates the very fabric of life and forces tens of thousands to flee their homes. People need support and protection so they can access their rights and live in safety and with dignity. A school now supported by NRC in La Lima had 5,000 students five years ago. Now, there are 1,200 left as thousands have dropped out or fled for the United States due to violence, the devastation of hurricanes, and poverty.”  

Across North Central America, heavily armed gangs, drug traffickers and transnational criminal organisations fuel society-wide corruption, and gender-based violence. Desperate migrants from the region – and from as far away as Africa and Asia – also trek through these dangerous terrains in search of protection and opportunities in North America. A thousand migrants from dozens of countries cross into Honduras every day seeking protection and a better life in North-America.

On top of this, the region is increasingly struck by the consequences of climate change and extreme weather events, destabilising livelihoods, and reducing access to resources. In Honduras alone, 3.2 million people are in need of aid, many of whom require both protection and food assistance.   

So much for your HYPER PARTISAN claptrap.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, godzilla said:

nope. as i stated... the GOP senate says this gets the GOP things they want. Trump and the GOP can get the rest later. its a GOP win... but Trump wants the win all to himself.

Yup, as i stated trump things he can get the GOP more of what they want.  If they do a deal now there's no political will to revisit it later. that's pretty much politics 101.  The dems will later say "we already fixed this and if they wanted more they should have mentioned it at the time".  And if the solution isn't good enough the dems will cry to the heavens that the republicans agreed to it so this is all their fault - whereas if they don't do the deal in this form and demand more the dems are the ones who wear it down the road.

This is pretty entry level politics.  Sure - it's annoying that optics plays a role in politics but you're about 3000 years too late to be complaining about that.

For trump personally of course he looks like a 'tough no compromise' candidate and he gets the credit for any deal in the future or for cramming through his own ideas depending on how the election goes.  And the problem persists so it remains an election issue biden is weak on.

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not at all. In REALITY it is the result of recent extreme violence in North Central America.

Millions in North Central America engulfed by war-like levels of violence

So much for your HYPER PARTISAN claptrap.

Uhhh - biden knew about the violence and that people would be on the move and did nothing

 

You kind of just proved it WAS him after all.

[godzilla]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yup, as i stated trump things he can get the GOP more of what they want.  If they do a deal now there's no political will to revisit it later. that's pretty much politics 101.  The dems will later say "we already fixed this and if they wanted more they should have mentioned it at the time".  And if the solution isn't good enough the dems will cry to the heavens that the republicans agreed to it so this is all their fault - whereas if they don't do the deal in this form and demand more the dems are the ones who wear it down the road.

This is pretty entry level politics.  Sure - it's annoying that optics plays a role in politics but you're about 3000 years too late to be complaining about that.

For trump personally of course he looks like a 'tough no compromise' candidate and he gets the credit for any deal in the future or for cramming through his own ideas depending on how the election goes.  And the problem persists so it remains an election issue biden is weak on.

Uhhh - biden knew about the violence and that people would be on the move and did nothing

 

You kind of just proved it WAS him after all.

it would appear that only Trump shares that reasoning.

[Caswell Thomas]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

No, thank you for selling out the American people, right alongside the fake president. You're both traitors and should be imprisoned immediately. 

America's not in the mood for your open border fantasies, and they'll prove it in this next election. 

America does not have an Open Borders policy, immigrants are flooding our borders because of American politics which has destroyed the foundations of safety in their own countries now to the point that their countries are run by the drug cartels We Started in the 1960-70's . During that time large American companies began investing in South American countries by first going in to.log as much timber as they could, then when 80% of old growth hardwood timber was gone, coffee and banana plantatiins, pineapples and marijuana were grown for American markets. Soon, when these countries found that marijuana was making the most profit, these countries dropped more trade in other goods for higher levels of MJ. Then the opium trade showed how to make more from growing pretty red flowers...poppies, and heroin came to America along with coca from Peru and Argentina, where historically it was grown to help runners of the ancient Mayan Empire run much longer and be able to fight with enhanced strength but which also killed many because, like heroin, it is very addictive and all too soon it burns the heart literally of its users. America didn't think of the side effects because the cartels here, such as the American MAFIA saw huge profits and created even more markets for these highly dangerous drugs. China also hooked more Americans on drugs by forcing the Vietnam War to become another conduit of drugs to America, again without conscience, China wants our land and it's mineral and vast oil reserves.  In fact, drug money is buying up what used to be the best Country on Earth, and who caused that? Who is forcing these "undocumented aliens " to come to America?  Look in the mirror.  WE DID.  So....don't support Trumps contention that America is the innocent party being invaded, if anything, Americas drug habits and its wealth by sale of illegal drugs, has made this bed, and now WE in THIS Generation have to fix it and it won't be by busing these immigrants to other cities and dumping them there, that just creates MORE criminals on our streets.  Nor will a Wall stop them. What we are wasting on forcing up Walls however, if invested in cleaning up OUR MESS, caused by Americas crime families, THAT WAY and ONLY that way will fix this flood and turn it back to a trickle, as most of these immigrants really didn't want to leave their countries to come here, but We made them Come Here, because we destroyed the safety to.live in their own countries.

[robosmith]

With Deal Close on Border and Ukraine, Republican Rifts Threaten to Kill Both

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The Republican disconnect explains why, with an elusive bipartisan bargain on immigration seemingly as close as it has been in years on Capitol Hill, the prospects for enactment are grim. It is also why hopes for breaking the logjam over sending more U.S. aid to Ukraine are likely to be dashed by hard-line House Republicans.

The situation encapsulates the divide cleaving the Republican Party. On one side are the right-wing MAGA allies of former President Donald Trump, an America First isolationist who instituted draconian immigration policies while in office. On the other is a dwindling group of more mainstream traditionalists who believe the United States should play an assertive role defending democracy on the world stage. 

 

[Caswell Thomas]

4 hours ago, Yakuda said:

 But bidens failed policies are to blame fot the immigration invasion. 

It has nothing to do with Joe Biden and everything to do with Donald Trump who took a hammer to the only  Wall we already had against some of these immigrants moving through Mexico;  Mexico itself who he significantly insulted by calling these immigrants all Mexicans and equating them all with illegals coming from multiple countries south of them caused by drug cartels WE encouraged to grow drugs for American markets instead of other less profitable, but a damn sight safer and friendlier, trade  goods,  as we had for over a hundred years before Trump began calling them all " rapists, murderers, and thieves".  So Mexico tried to tell MR KNOW IT ALL he was WRONG but Trump refused to listen and instead began saying he was going to " force Mexico to pay for a Wall all along our borders".  That didn't work, plus the man Trump engaged as POTUS instead took all of the funds raised by donors to Trumps Build a Wall charity , some $25 million, and spent much of it on personal use, Steve Bannon , Trumps right hand man was also part of the conspiracy involving the rest of the money, and wire fraud and money laundering, but as the Pre Joe Biden U. S. JUSTICE Department began closing in on Steve Bannon to deposition him in who else was involved in this SCAM against Trump's own followers, Trump as POTUS stopped the proceedings by PARDONING Steve Bannon, ending the investigation.  More than a few speculated that Bannon would not have had access to those funds without Trumps personal involvement but Trump's then legal team hushed it all up.....

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, godzilla said:

it would appear that only Trump shares that reasoning.

If that were the case then  he would not be able to convince the actual lawmakers.  Trump is not president, he's not a member of congress.  He's going to those who are members and convincing them.  And we have a term for that - politics  

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

t has nothing to do with Joe Biden and everything to do with Donald Trump who took a hammer to the only  Wall we already had against some of these immigrants moving through Mexico;

Not only is that patently ridiculous from a logic point of view,  the results say differently. There were more illegal immigrants in 2023 than there were in trump's entire presidency.

Trump had a number of laws and policies that kept migrants on the other side of the border. They weren't perfect but they were effective. Biden cancelled those or allowed them to expire and the results were very apparent.

[Caswell Thomas]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not only is that patently ridiculous from a logic point of view,  the results say differently. There were more illegal immigrants in 2023 than there were in trump's entire presidency.

Trump had a number of laws and policies that kept migrants on the other side of the border. They weren't perfect but they were effective. Biden cancelled those or allowed them to expire and the results were very apparent.

"... they weren't perfect but they were effective.....tell that to the mothers of over 900 children who Trump separated from their parents by force, locked them in cages and " lost" the list of who and where their parents are.  Tell it to these children when they grow up wondering who their parents really were, and suffering immense psychological harm because a coward racist "got gack" at HIS personal enemies, a series of non-white races who came here seeking a better, safer life and who he never even MET once, but felt happy about destroying the lives of and laughed about it!!! Trump is an Animal. Not human. Not respected. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

"... they weren't perfect but they were effective.....tell that to the mothers of over 900 children who Trump separated from their parents by force, locked them in cages and " lost" the list of who and where their parents are.

So you realized you couldn't defend your original premise and decided to introduce a new and completely different one i take it  

That occurred just as much under obama.  And these would be the "Parents" who knowingly endangered their children by bringing them illegally across the border in the first place.  I take it you're the kind of guy who blames gravity when someone jumps off a cliff

In any case the solution of forcing them to go back to the mexican side while it got sorted out seems like the best one.  But biden wiped that out.

Oh - and it's still going on.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-children-separated-parents-u-s-border-agents-overcrowding/

U.S. border agents are separating migrant children from their parents to avoid overcrowding, inspector finds

Making a half assed appeal to emotion is a dumb way to defend an argument, and you should know better than to try that kind of nonsense here.

Back to the original topic - Illegal immigration causes all sorts of problems.  Children being separated from their parents is just one of many very serious issues illegal immigration causes.  The answer is to prevent illegal immigration at all, or at least as much as possible.  And biden has gone the other direction.
 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

America does not have an Open Borders policy, immigrants are flooding our borders because of American politics which has destroyed the foundations of safety in their own

no,no, that couldn't be... you must be quoting from those fake history books in the commie run libraries...