JA in NL

I want to promote a discussion of whether we should believe science (as in peer-reviewed science that has reached a consensus) or magic. I made a post about a week ago and nothing, nada, not a sausage.

I can't get a complete handle on whether this site is serious or (to quote John Cleese:) "silly". People are actually arguing aainst a couple of hundred years of epidemiological experience and about a hundred years of scientific evidence. Vaccination works and has dramatically reduced human mortality from viral diseases including: smallpox, polio, measles, influenza, diptheria pertussis, tetanus, ... and on and on. The efficacy of approved vaccines is beyond scientific question. These are facts, not magic. If you prefer magic, there are lot of empty churches with all of the answers. They just don't understand many of the questions. No literate adult should argue against established science unless they understand it and have logical arguments against it.

I am looking for an intelligent discussion of current political issues. I am pretty tired of Pierre Poilievre but I am also pretty fed up with Justin Trudeau. You want another Calgarian Prime Minister? What could possibly go wrong? [I suspect that PP will go down the austerity route and we will find out the hard way why it took the UK several decades longer to recover from WW2 than it took Germany.]