America under President Trump

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Changing the subject won't help you.

Slacker. Go back to school and get a trade.

Where's my fricken shovel...

- The subject was Trump stopping people coming to the west in large numbers, under the guise of "refugee" of the Syrian war.

- I work hard and pay my taxes. Like many Canadians I put in a full day every day, at a good paying job and have little to show for it. Others are less fortunate, many give up on go on the welfare dole. That is the trend and the future that leftism brings for our country.

- I'm pretty good with a longbow. Ever seen "Killing Season"?

[kimmy]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

I realize losing the indentured labour for making cheap goods is upsetting.

I'm all for better working conditions in China and Bangladesh and India and wherever it is that they're making cheap clothing nowadays. But the notion that putting heavy tariffs on everything is going to put large numbers of Canada or US workers to work seems incredibly optimistic.

The cost of everything is rising a lot faster than my salary. Tariffs aren't going to help.

 -k

[eyeball]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

- The subject was Trump stopping people coming to the west in large numbers, under the guise of "refugee" of the Syrian war.

Then why did you change it to being about Trump protecting conservative slackers?

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 minutes ago, kimmy said:

I'm all for better working conditions in China and Bangladesh and India and wherever it is that they're making cheap clothing nowadays. But the notion that putting heavy tariffs on everything is going to put large numbers of Canada or US workers to work seems incredibly optimistic.

The cost of everything is rising a lot faster than my salary. Tariffs aren't going to help.

 -k

Tariffs are a tax on consumers. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, kimmy said:

I'm all for better working conditions in China and Bangladesh and India and wherever it is that they're making cheap clothing nowadays. But the notion that putting heavy tariffs on everything is going to put large numbers of Canada or US workers to work seems incredibly optimistic.

The cost of everything is rising a lot faster than my salary. Tariffs aren't going to help.

 -k

 

The myth that the average Indian actually gets to enjoy the products they slave away making (or ever will in a Caste System)...the textile industry has to be one of THE MOST Draconian.

 

We ARE the market.

 

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

- I'm pretty good with a longbow. Ever seen "Killing Season"?

As in Crecy...Agincourt? Yew wood and clothyard arrows?

[BubberMiley]

32 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

And as you mention, perhaps the product will stay in one piece.

Because that U.S. manufactured stuff was always such good quality by comparison? That's the LSD talking.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, BubberMiley said:

Because that U.S. manufactured stuff was always such good quality by comparison? That's the LSD talking.

 

Some of it, certainly, yes.

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Why would you anticipate that they might?

Canadian and US companies have a secret pipeline of super-strong cotton that they're keeping secret from Mexico, India, Vietnam, etc?   US or Canadian machines make stronger stitching?

I have some expensive, rugged pants that last 3 times longer than cheap foreign made pants. My Carhharts are so tough they're almost bulletproof.  Let me check the label...   um, Mexico.  Oh well.

Really it'll just vanish into the pockets of some corporation whose shareholders might be in Canada or the US or Antarctica.

 -k

Production engineers are hired to lower the cost of producing goods. This in turn lowers the quality. Refer to economics 101.

Globalization allowed big corporations to manufacture goods elsewhere, without penalty so that they could take advantage of production in third world countries. Maybe your Mexican pants were made by a child.

"Statistics show 2.5 million children are working in Mexico, with 870,000 below the age of 13."
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What we've seen is that the economy in those lands has grown, while ours has shrunk so the wealth moved around the globe. Like it or not we are already on the road to making ten cents per hour unless we do something. And look at our cities. Job loss, technology loss, infrastructure loss. That is why it makes sense to invest in the local economy.There is no quick fix.

Edited January 28, 2017 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

/facepalm

Again I ask where were you guys 20-30 years ago?  Young conservative Kindergarten or something?

So you are pleased that these changes have finally come. You agree with Donald Trump.

Edited January 28, 2017 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

16 minutes ago, kimmy said:

I'm all for better working conditions in China and Bangladesh and India and wherever it is that they're making cheap clothing nowadays.

That is simply not going to happen, as much as you'd like it to. Hence, reality dictates that some hard choices have to be made. Not typically the domain of bleeding heart liberals. If you don't have the stomach for it, step aside, let Trump do his work.

[OftenWrong]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Then why did you change it to being about Trump protecting conservative slackers?

The game has been rigged against us for some time now. Trump presents the notion that he will not only create fairness, but give the US an advantage. This is what gives him the greatest appeal among the right, and most hatred by self-loathing leftists who cannot stomach the notion that we should have an advantage. It feeds to their guilt complex.

(Put shovel down... )

Edited January 28, 2017 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

17 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

As in Crecy...Agincourt? Yew wood and clothyard arrows?

As in I'll nail his lips to a tree

[Michael Hardner]

The bleeding hearts are the ones who think consumers should be taxed to provide make-work for inefficient industries who employ the uneducated in Trump states.  

America's thriving services sector, centered in the cities, is going to subsidize these unskilled snowflakes.  This is the triumph of Trump's strange socialism.

 

[blueblood]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The bleeding hearts are the ones who think consumers should be taxed to provide make-work for inefficient industries who employ the uneducated in Trump states.  

America's thriving services sector, centered in the cities, is going to subsidize these unskilled snowflakes.  This is the triumph of Trump's strange socialism.

 

Trump is basically doing what he's doing as he thinks (wrongly) it's a national security issue in the grand scheme of things to manufacture things outside the USA.  Unfortunately things will be expensive as a tradeoff and tariffs put on USA agricultural exports.

[dialamah]

Fascism follows a pattern, which you ignore at your own risk.   It's a shame, no doubt inevitable.   

America under Trump

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This is the power of the selectively chosen printed word. This is what can be achieved when you take a story that is true (some people in red cars do commit crimes; some priests do molest children) and play it over and over and over and over again, chanting in the ear of the reader: DANGER. DANGER. WARNING. WARNING. NO TIME TO THINK. ALERT. ALERT. PROTECT YOURSELF.

Protect yourself against what? Why, against people like that: people who commit crimes, people you can easily pick out on the street, because they’re illegal immigrant criminals. Well, they’re illegal immigrants. Well, they’re immigrants. Well, they have brown skin and an accent, and you know what people like that do.

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This is classic scapegoating. It’s what fascists do to gain control. They tell the people, over and over and over again, “You’re not safe. You’re not safe. It’s the fault of THESE PEOPLE. I will protect you from THESE PEOPLE, and then you can be safe.” And then, while you’re thrilled to get his help and protection, you barely notice the other stuff he’s doing, stuff that directly contradicts the things you said you cared about ten minutes ago. Stuff like small government, religious freedom, freedom of the press, respect for the disabled, protection for the innocent and vulnerable.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2017 by dialamah

[kimmy]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Production engineers are hired to lower the cost of producing goods. This in turn lowers the quality. Refer to economics 101.

You think that if goods are produced in Canada and the US, companies will stop trying to cut costs? Wrong. They'll be under more pressure than ever to cut costs. 

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Globalization allowed big corporations to manufacture goods elsewhere, without penalty so that they could take advantage of production in third world countries. Maybe your Mexican pants were made by a child.

Perhaps trade agreements could be a way to improve working conditions and environmental protections in those countries.   "If you want access to our market, you have to meet minimum standards on child labor and environmental regulation.  Sadly, of course, trade agreements usually work the opposite way, giving corporations a way to resist environmental regulation they feel is overly strict. But it doesn't have to be that way.

 

12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Like it or not we are already on the road to making ten cents per hour unless we do something.

Is that why Trump picked Andy Pudzer to be Secretary of Labor?  Pudzer is, after all, a guy who has made a career of fighting to create ways for corporations to pay workers less, so I guess that makes him something of an expert on the subject.

 -k

[SpankyMcFarland]

This ain't 1945 any more. Other countries will respond. It's great news for isolationists and anti-capitalists everywhere. 

Can you imagine how cocky the US Border boys will be now? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Chaos, confusion, uncertainty - welcome to the new normal. Not good for business. 

[DogOnPorch]

Good thing Trump doesn't have a even a 1% chance of being POTUS, otherwise all these impossible things might be attempted.

Canada: The Can't Do Nation.

[DogOnPorch]

17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

As in I'll nail his lips to a tree

 

Worked with zee French.

[SpankyMcFarland]

40 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The myth that the average Indian actually gets to enjoy the products they slave away making (or ever will in a Caste System)...the textile industry has to be one of THE MOST Draconian.

 

We ARE the market.

 

Those jobs are good jobs in Bangladesh. Granted we should monitor the safety of sub-contractors there better than we have but clothes can be made far more cheaply there than here. Industries come and go. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

Those jobs are good jobs in Bangladesh. Granted we should monitor the safety of sub-contractors there better than we have but clothes can be made far more cheaply there than here. Industries come and go. 

 

Good jobs in a Caste System...lol.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Good jobs in a Caste System...lol.

These types of industries bring countries out of poverty and into the global fold including socially.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

These types of industries bring countries out of poverty and into the global fold including socially.

 

The Caste Systems in these countries are REAL...just as Sharia Law is REAL.