bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, kimmy said: Just hearing that Mika Zibanejad of the NHL's New York Rangers may not be able to get back into the US if he leaves to play games in Canada. Zibanejad has dual Swedish/Iranian citizenship. So ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? I think it speaks to how well it was all thought through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: So ? Zibanejad is probably of little importance to anybody aside from the Rangers and their fans, but it illustrates a larger problem. When my dad worked at Nortel, one of the senior engineers there was a man of Middle East descent, and he and dad sometimes traveled together to meet with people at US branches and potential customers and suppliers and things like that. Today, that guy might not be able to enter the US for business. There might be senior people at US companies who can no longer travel internationally to do business. That could be a huge headache for US companies doing business internationally. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: I think it speaks to how well it was all thought through. I don't think they cared about the impact at all. Still don't.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't think they cared about the impact at all. Still don't.... Yes, that much is obvious. Positive or negative. it's probably the dumbest move by a politician since Hitler invaded Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, kimmy said: ...Today, that guy might not be able to enter the US for business. There might be senior people at US companies who can no longer travel internationally to do business. That could be a huge headache for US companies doing business internationally. True...but again...so what ? The U.S. makes all kinds of decisions that impact business travel, from sanctions to no-travel zones. President Trump has taken measures that he feels are necessary in the short term to get a better handle on the vetting of refugees and immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Yes, that much is obvious. Positive or negative. it's probably the dumbest move by a politician since Hitler invaded Russia. ....or Chamberlain kissing Hitler's ass ? Godwin award X 2 !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 A professor from Iran going to Harvard to research diabetes was turned away. Theresa May has now came out fully against the ban. Angela Merkel explained the Geneva Convention to Donald Trump in regards to the idea of returning to enhanced interrogation techniques. This is going great.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Smallc said: A professor from Iran going to Harvard to research diabetes was turned away. Theresa May has now came out fully against the ban. Angela Merkel explained the Geneva Convention to Donald Trump in regards to the idea of returning to enhanced interrogation techniques. This is going great.... Then Trump knows he is on the right track....Merkel has immigrant problems of her own making and will pay dearly in the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ....or Chamberlain kissing Hitler's ass ? Godwin award X 2 !! That was before Barbarossa. If Hitler had never invaded Russia I would certainly have used that example. Does Godwin apply if you aren't invoking Nazism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: That was before Barbarossa. If Hitler had never invaded Russia I would certainly have used that example. Does Godwin apply if you aren't invoking Nazism? Yes...any reference to Hitler or Nazis qualify...congratulations ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nonsense..and doesn't matter anyway for U.S. policy. Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism and nuclear proliferation threat. Iran is engaged in a proxy war with Saudi Arabia, an American (and Canadian) ally. The Iranian people are responsible for Iran. It shows the nature of your political view and how corrupt that is. Saudi Arabia and its government has the most stinky of all regimes in the world. The way they treat their citizens and their women in particular (no right to drive even) stinks and so is their Wahhabi faith (whatever the hell it is). Just because they are allies of the US (they have sold off their country and their nation for the thrown) doesn't make their stinky actions right and btw most of those 2001 terrorist attackers were Saudis and Saudi people are the worse anti-Americans and they were not banned. The Iranian people have no say in their government policies. They have no right to choose change and if they ask for it they end up in prison or dead. If you don't understand that then you don't understand anything at all. Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, kimmy said: Just hearing that Mika Zibanejad of the NHL's New York Rangers may not be able to get back into the US if he leaves to play games in Canada. Zibanejad has dual Swedish/Iranian citizenship. -k If Canadian passport holders can get into Canada I see no earthly reason why Swedish and UK passport holders would not also be allowed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...any reference to Hitler or Nazis qualify...congratulations ! What about a thread on infamous Austrian vegetarians, or mustachioed Alsatian owners? Doesn't seem fair. It could happen anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: If Canadian passport holders can get into Canada I see no earthly reason why Swedish and UK passport holders would not also be allowed in. Canadian passport holders cannot get into US if they used to hold citizenship of those seven countries. kimmy was saying that Mika Zibanejad cannot get into US because the player happened to be born in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Canadian passport holders cannot get into US if they used to hold citizenship of those seven countries. kimmy was saying that Mika Zibanejad cannot get into US because the player happened to be born in Iran. The government has already said this ban will not affect Canadian passport holders even if they have dual citizenship in one of the countries that is banned. Edited January 29, 2017 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: It shows the nature of your political view and how corrupt that is. Saudi Arabia and its government has the most stinky of all regimes in the world. The way they treat their citizens and their women in particular (no right to drive even) stinks and so is their Wahhabi faith (whatever the hell it is). Just because they are allies of the US (they are sold off their country and their nation for the thrown) doesn't make their stinky actions right and btw most of those 2001 terrorist attackers were Saudis and Saudi people are the worse anti-Americans and they were not banned. The Iranian people have no say in their government policies. They have no right to choose change and if they ask for it they end up in prison or dead. If you don't understand that then you don't understand anything at all. More importantly, I don't care. Canada has a $15 billion military vehicle contract with the Saudis. Trudeau called them harmless "jeeps"....what a maroon ! Iran is the enemy right now, and that means Iranian nationals unless they are vetted. They have no right to U.S. entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Argus said: The government has already said this ban will not affect Canadian passport holders even if they have dual citizenship in one of the countries that is banned. I am not sure where you got this from!!! Which government? The citizens or former citizens of those 7 countries cannot enter the US regardless of their other citizenship, Canadian or other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More importantly, I don't care. Canada has a $15 billion military vehicle contract with the Saudis. Trudeau called them harmless "jeeps"....what a maroon ! Iran is the enemy right now, and that means Iranian nationals unless they are vetted. They have no right to U.S. entry. Based on what? Your your own ass convictions? No thanks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More importantly, I don't care. Canada has a $15 billion military vehicle contract with the Saudis. Trudeau called them harmless "jeeps"....what a maroon ! Iran is the enemy right now, and that means Iranian nationals unless they are vetted. They have no right to U.S. entry. So dollars is all you see and the hell with human rights violations and the fact that we deal with a stinky regime. It shows your nature and yes I can see you don't care as long as your pocket is full it is all right to you even though it is blood money good for you vampire. And now the US people has no right of entry to Iran either. Edited January 29, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, kactus said: Based on what? Your your own ass convictions? No thanks.... Based on the U.S. Constitution....Iranians..Canadians...Martians...makes no difference. The United States determines who enters and who doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Based on the U.S. Constitution....Iranians..Canadians...Martians...makes no difference. The United States determines who enters and who doesn't. Constitution my a&@... what trump has done is against the first amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: So dollars is all you see and the hell with human rights violations and the fact that we deal with a stinky regime. It shows your nature and yes I can see you don't care as long as your pocket is full it is all right to you even though it is blood money good for you vampire. $15 billion is a lot of money..and it is going to a Canadian subsidiary of General Dynamics for Canadian workers and Canadian government tax revenue. So much for Justin Trudeau and "human rights". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, kactus said: Constitution my a&@... what trump has done is against the first amendment. That doesn't even make any sense. President Carter did it in 1979. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: $15 billion is a lot of money..and it is going to a Canadian subsidiary of General Dynamics for Canadian workers and Canadian government tax revenue. So much for Justin Trudeau and "human rights". BLOOD MONEY. Dealing with stinky regimes mostly in middle east and worse what Russians and Chinese do (selling arms and torture instruments what USA used to do) is wrong. Those who support it as modern day real vampires not just the ones in the movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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