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Not that I agree with the premise of the OP and that Indigenous culture should be considered when doing Pipeline projects. But it is quite ironic that the poster creating the thread is upset that Spirituality is being used to make decisions at a Political level, but will often cite the Bible as evidence for why a certain policy should be pursued or not.

It demonstrates that a party that offers lots of free stuff is going to be more popular than a party that doesn't and that people suspect might take some of their free stuff away.

Another word for Oral history is Oral fiction. You know, they do these tests were someone is given some information. They then pass it on orally to a second person, and they to a third and so on. It doesn't take long for the information to get distorted, even when it's being passed on same day. Doing it over centuries from generation to generation is an absolute guarantee that what you wind up with bears only the most cursory relation to the truth.

They'll receive their entitlements and (obscene) benefits in Western physical tokens, but thanks for asking

This government doesn't give a damn about efficiency or getting things done. Especially with regard to national resource projects. What it cares about is virtue signalling in order to let Trudeau flex and preen before the progressive mobs and draw votes away from the NDP.

I honestly don't see how this drag queen story hour/grade 3 sex change BS is supposed to work out in the long run for leftists. In a few years there are going to be thousands, maybe tens of thousands of young adults who were sterilized as elementary school students and completely regret it. The ones who don't kill themselves will have a powerful message to tell about the pressure they felt to conform to woke dogma and the general shortsightedness and wickedness of the prog cult. Some of those kids will be Latino, some will be Asian, some will be black, and their message will carry a lot of weight within the communities that the Dems are trying to brainwash. It looks like a train wreck to me, tbh. I'd personally hate to be the guy who has to look Stewart --> Susan in the eye and say "Sorry I helped you to get sterilized when you were 8. I thought that you had the wisdom and foresight to understand the ramifications of what you were doing, and that I was helping you. Please don't kill yourself."

David Frum (a real Republican): Is Ron DeSantis Flaming Out Already? Dethantis extreme MAGA positions make him unelectable.

Their one consistent story is "We're the reliable money managers". They can't be spewing out money from firehoses like the NPD and Liberals.

I totally get where you came to that conclusion. I"m sorry, i should have pointed out a little more. You have to factor into it the following: The birth rate includes immigrants who arrive and give birth. If there are no immigrants the birth rate goes down. Further - birth rate and death rate don't really tell the whole story. "Fertility" rate is a little more of the factor and as we can see the number of births is below 1 per person on average. So - because EVERYBODY dies eventually and we KNOW that there's almost as many males as females, if the average fertility rate is below 2 per female (which gives us 1:1 for both sexes) then we are going to experience negative growth without immigration and i happen to know those figures indicate that. We'd need a much higher birth rate. but - here's a chart to fertility just to show the point. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310041801 As you can see the fertility rate per female is actually 1.43 Which means we're not replacing oursevles or even coming close. 100 percent of people WILL die, so without immigration and with a 50:50 male female population we need a fertility rate of 2 per woman. And further - the information above does not account for emmigration. Many people leave canada every year and that's a drain on our population as well. So even if we were at a true 1:1 birth per person ratio we'd still have a shrinking population each year by about 60 thousand ish people. So - we'd actually be losing ground pretty fast without immigration. 100 percent of our population growth is from immigration.

I hear that loud and clear.

So you were forced to vaccinate and you still don't even care... That's way out there.

to cut off the inevitable assumption of WCM.. I got vaccinated simply to avoid having to get tested every week and do a bunch of paperwork. Did I feel some sort of civic duty? No. Was it because I read stuff on CNN/CBC/Facebook? No again The policy at the office was that if you did not get vaccinated by July 2021 then you had to submit to testing every friday at 2 pm at a location in downtown. I chose to get the shots simply to avoid this hassle. Nothing all that complex.

There won't be a new administration until Jan 21, 2025, assuming we don't have a bunch of knotheads trying to overturn another election. A lot will happen before then.

The fact that you're so sure of your beliefs vs other people is the problem. I believe in a God, but that people think that their narrow view of the God is the only one that's right is where we get into so much trouble as a society. I support the message of Jesus, but are we really to believe that if there's mortality beyond this world, that God will only allow those who specifically accept Jesus in Heaven, otherwise eternal punishment? Because that's what the Bible teaches us. These FN beliefs actually seem more friendly TBH.

See, you're disparaging their beliefs all while trumpeting up yours. Who's to say who's right when talking about Religious beliefs? The Bible says a lot of things that we laugh at today. Many principals we do adopt, like a few of the 10 commandments, but not all. Imagine if Dishonesty, Envy or Idol worship was treated the same as Murder by our laws?

Environmental policy is a mess. And our relationship to the FN people is an even bigger mess. Can this stuff be used for corruption, I'm almost certain it does. But again, this is no different from plenty of instances where "spiritual rights" are asserted.

Well you aren't of course. You're lying about people calling for genocide and then trying to attach them to the nazis because you feel that furthers your goal. Very Fascist of you Yep - and was clear he was talking about the political element of it, and noted this would be better for both transgender people and the population in general. He was very clear he was not talking about transgender people. Oh - but that doesn't fit your narrative does it. Better lie about it. Exactly. It's not like that at all. People like YOU - who go around insisting that everyone's a nazi (and then support 'punch a nazi' campaigns) spark that violence. You spread hatred and ignorance and convince people that YOU - a violent hate filled radical bigot who thinks all "others" are subhuman inferiors - are somehow representative of trans people and other lettered people. Sorry but if you're looking for a source of the negativity towards trans - you need to look in the mirror. You can't spread hatred without causing hatred.

Here's the thing: you think about these things and analyze them. And you do it publicly. I know it sounds counter-intuitive and such, but many people fall into the trap that more analysis, more bureaucracy and more time are good for all problems. I have seen safety issues that have very much suffered from extended bureaucracy for example. The best organization to engage with for these things is the organization we engage with the least - the public. We do engage with nimbys, and lobbying groups but not the same thing. I was in touch with this author Don Lenihan for awhile: https://middlegroundengagement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2008-Its-more-than-Talk-2.pdf If you read about "publics" (Neil Postman, Habermas, Michael Warner http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~ganterg/sjureview/vol1-1/publics.html) you start to realize the importance of smart public engagement design in a variety of arenas.

The same could be said for all Religious beliefs. Including those derived from the Bible. For example, the idea that life begins at conception is a completely subjective spiritual belief, but so much political pressure is used to have the views of religious people enshrined into law.

Would you prefer that projects are in court for years while indigenous people fight it, or that they get on side with a project early? If incorporating indigenous knowledge helps to avoid litigation and gets the project done sooner, why not?

It clearly is to most ontario residents - thats what they chose to do in the last provincial election. So it was definitely an option they were comfortable with by and large. They voted for trudeau. And his approval ratings in the area line up with the vote fairly well at the time. So its pretty clear it's NOT that they didn't have options. What conspiracy theories? Who has suggested that trudeau didn't win the election? Honestly you're just making crap up at this point. Trudeau won because people in your area felt that his corruption was acceptable and they were ok with it, so they didn't mind supporting him. Also he managed to convince them that the anti vaxxers were all out to kill them, and once again turned canadians against each other (remember - he was singing a very different tune just 2 weeks before the election.) Well - it demonstrates that the NDP will do anything for a taste of power at this point but as i noted canadians tend to give elected prime ministers at least 2 full terms worth of mandate to work with. So about 8 -10 years. Harper got that and justin's going to get that. Remember - the libs lost three times to harper as well, and paul martin damn near lost his first go around and was held to a minority (propped up by the ndp ) And also remember this - harper got stronger results every election he fought until he lost - trudeau is getting weaker and weaker every election, and hasn't won the popular vote in 2. Ontario and the ndp prop the libs up. But they're not what the majority of Canadians want.

I'm not sure I disagree. I was simply trying to explain the concept of "indigenous knowledge" in a vocabulary a fundamental religious zealot might understand. Then I just attempted to clarify that not all "indigenous knowledge" was supernatural, sometimes they were just about things like how, where and when to hunt I personally don't think any kind of spirituality should be used in politics

Having been a public servant here for some years I can state with some confidence that efficiency is rarely of much concern to the upper ranks.

do not know about Canadian Government but I work for a state government in the US and the issue is usually that they care so much about efficiency that they are paralyzed. You have to get it right and even if that demands that you take six extra months to do so.. its fine. The bureaucracy is supposedly a way to filtering out unnecessary stuff and getting a refined, efficient result... Well, it mostly does not work.

exactly.. the instant that I pick up on a conspiracy theorist or worse.. doomsday theorist.. I can't respect what they say.

"Yet apparently nobody is able to define what indigenous knowledge is." Let me try and explain this to someone with your specific beliefs. The knowledge of the indigenous is much like your Bible, a bunch of oral traditions passed on from generation to generation. The difference is the indigenous knowledge pre dates what your bible claims to be the beginning of time and has not suffered from as much political interference in the last few thousand years

1) I looked for about ten minutes and couldn't find any of his January/February 2020 video where he described the origin of covid, when he said "We know covid comes from....", but just remember, Google is his friend. If Trump was the one who said it it would be easy to find. I will eventually find it. It's definitely out there. I just looked again, I can't find any video with him saying the word "pangolin" or using the term "intermediary species", but if you can find a video with him saying those things, that's the one. My Google search is bombarded with less relevant videos. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11824905/Emails-Dr-Fauci-commissioned-February-2020-paper-disprove-COVID-leaked-Wuhan-lab.html That's about Fauci citing his own study and pretending that it's from other scientists. Not 100% OT, but germane and probably even more important. 2) My point isn't "IT WAS 100% FROM A LAB LAK! ANYTHING ELSE IS IMPOSSIBLE". My point is that 1) it was a massive conflict of interest for Fauci to unilaterally declare the intermediate animal species theory the champion, and 2) for the unholy alliance of the Dems/TNI/Google/Twitter/FB/CNN to ban people from social media for saying "BSL4 lab".

I would add that the NDP motto seems to be make the rich pay or make the greedy corporations pay. This demonstrates their very simplistic view of the world, a complete lack of understanding of how the prosperous free nations have accomplished what they have. If it wasn't for the wealthy who invest all their money in stocks and corporation, there would be no well-paying jobs. That is where all the well-paying jobs come from. But the NDP are completely blind. Unfortunately, the Liberals are moving more toward the left in an effort to gain more NDP votes. Watch the Liberals come out with their budget tomorrow. They will be handing out billions of dollars for everything they can think of.

OMG, there you go again Beave, accusing other people of being conspiracy theorists ffs. Do you completely lack self-awareness? You're the most credulous, gullible, programmable person on this forum and it's not even close. No one else believes in Wushin cowushin or the tooth fairy anymore. And FYI, long before the 2020 election happened, leftists were saying that "Trump won't accept the election". Did you jump off the couch in your mustard-stained wifebeater, sending a hail of Cheezie and Dorito crumbs flying in every direction, and shriek about their "CONSPIRACY-ADDLED BRAINS"? Of course not. Everything that tickles your conspiracy-addled, confirmation bias-addicted 'brain' is "A HUNNERD BILYUN PUHSENT KERECT!", right? "OH Mah God momma, come downstairs quick! You gotta see what them cracka-ass Trumpists did ta poor Jussie Smollett! And look at that white supremacist teenager, running up ta that poor ol' injun fella and smilin' at his drum! Aw hell momma, the werld'z gon insayn! And can you believe it? Now them crackas iz sayin' that Jussie's a liah, an thet kid ain't ta blame nietha. They just kant stop lyin momma. What's a feller ta do?"

While you are correct about those electorates voting but, it is not for him (Trudeau) rather than against the lame candidates put up by the Conservatives. "The Papists or Laurentian Elite that live in Quebec" turned against Harper and inserted NDP (a short lived but still anti Harper and Trudeau action) In Ottawa, where I live, the Conservatives have not put any candidates up that could entice voters. And the 905, well,they have been liberal for many many decades and do not change. Same goes for out West, no valid conservative candidates so, they went NDP.

Only in your conspiracy-addled uneducated mind does criticizing right wing extremists “point to” the suggestion that the president is going to try and cancel the next election. Speaking of rhetoric though, Trump calling for “death and destruction” idf he’s arrested. Funny how you hypocritically ignore the constant direct and literal calls to violence from the right as simply harmless free speech while interpreting even the mildest criticism dorm the left as definite signs of doom.

I think a lot of this dumb-assery stems from an overwhelming hatred of Orangemanbad. The Democrats, the DOJ, the FBI, the media, all have bombarded the public with the idea that if you do not agree with and follow the doctrine, you are sub-human and should be in jail. Now...for as absurd as that sounds, just take stock in what's happened the last decade. These people willingly believe the destruction of not just America, but the entire western world, is justified because...Orangemanbad. I wish just one Libbie would find a way to explain this raw hatred and how that justifies what is obviously a series of very bad decisions. Please...someone rationalize this display of self-destructive BS?

Maybe the word 'studies' is used like the word 'science' now...? That's to say that, once it has been invoked (especially without any attempt at substantiating it), to question it automatically makes you a very bad somethingist. "'Science' has determined that questioning science is [insert pejoratives here]." "'Studies' conveniently show exactly what we expected, because they were done at Berkeley or somewhere similar by sciency people in white coats who are unbiased and intellectual. Any evidence to the contrary can be ignored out of hand because the studies are conclusive and infallible. Only a crazy qanon conspiracist/_______ist would even question the legitimacy of the aforementioned nameless studies. Do you want to be called a _______ist? Just try me."

I see Mikey gave you a laughing smiling for that so apparently even you two know how ridiculous it is then. You forgot Mitch McConnel, Adam Kinzinger, Lindsey Graham et al though. Over in the land of actual Republicans they're not even calling that group RINOs anymore. They call them the "Uniparty" now because there's no real difference between them and Democrats.

Anyone who says they believe in separation of church and state but welcomes and partakes in a papal visit and supports paying the 35 million dollars of taxpayer money for it, is a liar and a hypocrite.

Part of me can't blame people for believing what they see on almost every single news channel all the time, but at some point people also have to notice that Kamala is advocating for violence at some level. Or they should have noticed Fauci's massive conflict of interest once they found out that he funded GOF research on the coronavirus long before he ever casually stated "We know that covid came from a bat and mutated through an intermediary species to become infectious to humans." That reads like "It isn't the virus that I helped create which is killing millions of people!", with the benefit of hindsight. Anyone who can't see that shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions publicly. There should be an IQ test for people who want to post on social media lol.

No. They are temporarily making some progress on the abortion one. If you want to consider it progress. But American entertainment (and Canadian) has been veering further and further into hectoring and lecturing territory over the last couple of decades, and always from the Left. The heroes, the good guys, the smart people, the ones in charge are always on the Left, and nowadays mostly members of preferred identity groups. It is rare for a known conservative to even be permitted to work in Hollywood. The likes of Disney make every movie and every TV show about how to push forward the grand narrative of social justice. Academia is almost entirely governed, guided and controlled by the far Left. Many universities have abandoned standardized tests for entry and even dumbing down material to ensure larger numbers of preferred identity groups get in and succeed. School boards are abandoning merit and scholarship, closing down honors programs. Their programs have been twisted to push the narrative, to guide and indoctrinate to the point half of younger Americans and Canadians now support socialism over Capitalism. Eighty percent of British young believe all their programs are because of Capitalism and 67% want a socialist economic system. Why? Because they've been taught that Socialism is kinder and more egalitarian, that it supports all equally without regard to race or gender (no mention of merit or skills, of course). You seize on a temporary setback in one particular subject in the US but ignore the continued leftward movement of society as guided by academia and media. Obama rejected gay marriage until ten years ago. Now only 'dinosaurs' dare to argue against gay marriage. And doing so would get you crucified in many occupations and professions. Every large organization now indoctrinates employees with regular lectures on diversity, equity and inclusiveness and all have hiring and promotion quotas based purely on the goal of achieving perfect statistical equality, regardless of merit or effort. When some call this 'cultural marxism' it's because of the insistence on equity and not equality, on no one being better or getting further ahead than others based purely on their own effort, intelligence and skills. Everyone is a cog in the machine under Marxism, and under the Progressive Left's view everyone has to fit into a particular box. Black male, indigenous female, lesbian, transgender. You are what your membership in a given identity group says you are and must never diverge from that. And if you're a white, straight male you're an oppressor and the only group unprotected from being insulted or discriminated against. In fact, discrimination against you is encouraged. Because every authoritarian system needs an enemy. And that's you.

it is of course my honour & privilege to even be mentioned in the same breath as Lieutenant Colonel Gabbard a great American, decorated veteran Tulsi Battle Angel

It's a rhetorical question. How many leftists here would support Biden if he tried? His rhetoric points to it: "The threat of extreme MAGA terrorists blah, blah, blah..." and the FBI's dire warning that "white supremacists are America's greatest terror threat"... Says Wushin cowushin boy. Sure thing ?

1. Ok, well you were the one who provided the rationale. Now you're changing it to something that could easily be applied to Poilievre. 2. I already said that I don't support him. You're making him all about the woke and ignoring the pandemic so who's giving perspective of the two of us? 3. You aren't reading my posts. 4. Not a debate if you just keep posting the same thing and don't read my posts.

People don't like him. They got sick if Harper too. Us that evidence that Harper was incompetent? Using this logic Trudeau was competent when he beat Harper.

No, he's POTUS because he was running against an crass, unqualified boor whose "politics of spite" were wholly inadequate to lead through actual national challenges. He's POTUS because he ran against an unpopular narcissist who wasn't getting the job done. He is POTUS because Trump sucked. He's POTUS because the GOP is so uncreative that they tried the same October surprise that helped them in 2016- and this time people didn't listen when you cried "wolf!"

There is no incentive for the officials to get something done in a timely way. And we have a LOT of red tape. And there's no punishment for parties that DON'T get things done. There just tends to be an attitude in the public of 'oh well, i'm sure they'll get there some day'

Nah, it's still impossible to reasonably deny the results. That's left up to the loons. Every state certified. Multiple state investigations. 60-ish cases laughed out of court. Dozens of crazy conspiracy theories thoroughly debunked. And still not a shred of evidence. See, you have no interest in facts, evidence or reality. Hunter Biden has nothing to do with the fact that you're completely delusional.

Oh, by the way boys and girls. Here is an actual link to this story. Nobody was fired. (Geez! These goose steppers never let up.) https://www.newsweek.com/florida-principal-forced-resign-showing-students-michelangelo-statue-1789976 A school principal in Tallahassee, Florida, was forced to resign because, she said, a Renaissance art lesson included a section on Michelangelo's sculpture of the Bible's David, which one parent described as pornographic. Hope Carrasquilla, who had been the principal at Tallahassee Classical School, stepped down Monday during an emergency board meeting, the Tallahassee Democrat reported. She was appointed to the position less than a year ago. The school board's chair, Barney Bishop, told Carrasquilla that she could either quit or be fired but gave no reason for the ultimatum. She told the newspaper that she believes it was because of the art lesson, saying, "It saddens me that my time here had to end this way." For those who aren't quite that observant, the relevant idea here is "she could either quit or be fired but gave no reason for the ultimatum. She told the newspaper that she believes it was because of the art lesson." So we don't really know if she was asked to resign because of that exhibit. Of course, the goose steppers here probably didn't know about this either: But three parents complained that their children felt uncomfortable with the lesson, which included a section on David, a marble statue of a nude male that represents youthful beauty as well as the Italian city of Florence. It is considered one of Michelangelo's masterpieces as well as one of the Renaissance's greatest sculptures. Gee! The goose steppers here are ready to wage a cyber war if children are uncomfortable with their fcking PRONOUNS but somehow seeing a statue of a NAKED MAN doesn't seem to be a problem. Florida education? We elected THIS: A blue state elected this: You goose steppers have NO room to talk.

If such reparations were ever paid, wouldn’t every black person quit their job and rush to San Francisco? It’d be the second California Gold Rush. With all that cash they could buy up lots of California politicians and lobby aggressively for even more $$$. I think Democrats will only support monthly or yearly payments instead of a lump sum payment. Democratic politicians need dependent populations.

Well, can we still be proud of drag queens for doing something everyone knows needed doing? History is rarely if ever on the side of a bully - people can't help but feel something when a bully gets it in the nose.

Well, whether this article is factual or not, one things for certain.... The gay community isn't gunna take the tiniest little bit of shit from the right.

Is this some kind of stupid trick to get people to watch leftist propaganda? I watched a bunch of videos there and never saw one punch. For all I know he got hit in the head by a pointy brazier. These leftard threads with misleading titles are getting a little old now. If the title doesn't jive with the body of the OP and the cites they should be taken down. All you are doing is dragging the level of discourse down to where the only new members here will be crawlers like CrakHo, Hodad, Robo, Rebound, etc.

IS it a 'racial slur' now to say that a man is a man? If you said at a restaurant that black people are black i don' t know you'd get kicked out. In fact, if you got strange looks it would be because people would be thinking "yeahhhhh,... that's obvious, what's your point?". And a school in Canada has a duty to provide for discussion on a variety of sensitive issues. So - if this is a problem, then we don't need to change the student, we need to change the school.