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Not dreadnoughts...just practical surface and submarine combatants for training work-ups, patrol, NATO missions, other deployments, interoperability with allies, maintenance refit cycles, complete overhauls, etc. If Canada buys one submarine, then it has to buy more to keep at least one deployable. That's just the real world ops cycle to keep naval assets at sea. They will need more crews too. I remember The Great Turbot War (1995) that required frigates and destroyers to run the Spanish off and set precedent for enforcing coastal economic zones. Hard to do that with no "dreadnoughts". The new River Class guided missile destroyers look promising...if they are actually built.

Not only is the new regulations on being a candidate on the verge of being on the extreme left, but there are many more examples... here are a few examples... where does it stop, With this party....With everything being wrong with this country, and some how this is what they the party choose to make Canadians lives that much easier...Their idea was to restrict freedom of speech, because it makes things that much better in this country... What we need is for all parties to concentrate on what is really wrong with this country...Not to be a distraction Peter MacKinnon: Will wannabe NDP leaders protect free speech from the likes of Leah Gazan? NDP bill would prescribe jail terms for speaking well of fossil fuels | National Post

We've never been threatened by the Americans to do something about it. It was such a great idea, that a couple weeks after Polievre announced it, Carney stole the idea and announced the same damn thing. 🤣

The basic point that people need to get into their heads; measles is spreading rapidly because the vaccination rate is too low.

Seriously? You don't know? It's even been discussed extensively on this forum. Maybe you missed the discussions because you're too busy posting a$$ porn and fart comments to Canadian Fox? This is what I'm talking about when I say low IQ, uninformed voters.

Just wanted to add that Canada was a pioneer in gas turbine propulsion for frigates and destroyers going back to the late 1960's. The Iroquois Class was very innovative in this regard and many other nations jumped onboard this trend. So Canada has led the way in the past.

To all the Canadian vets and the ones down south, may fortune find you and yours, may your pain be turned to joy . I hope you spent this day with friends and family laughing mostly about those good times spent with comrades, and to shed a tear for those we lost. I raise a pint of beer to you all...We will not forget them ever...Pro Patria.

Sigh… I swear, why must you folks routinely push this BS like this about vaccines and disease? No, measles is not like having the flu. Measles is more contagious, and for those who get it will be more deadly, with more complications and higher hospitalization. All of which is almost entirely preventable in a vaccinated population.

Whatever happened to the idea that backbenchers should be free to speak their minds and vote accordingly without issue? I'd like to see more of this sort of opposition in Parliament. AI Overview In the early 1900s, only about 20% of elected Members of Parliament (MPs) voted with their party 100% of the time. Between 1972 and 1979, the government suffered 65 defeats, many of which were due to backbench dissent. In the past decade, MPs have voted against their party less than 1% of the time.

Right now, the Americans want us to shore up our borders. That's why Trudeau suddenly promised more funding.

No, you don't. Your #1 excuse is "vast majority of scientists agree." If we were having this conversation during the DDT days or the thalidomide days, I would be posting studies that show neither was safe and you would be saying "You're a crackpot, the vast majority of scientists say it's safe." And you would be wrong. Like you are now. Because you don't have faith in science. You are just easily manipulated and unable to reason for yourself.

We are not biting on any bait. We are just amazed as to how you got this far in life with so little. But we do enjoy watching you always biting on our hook where we can then continue on with making you appear and make it show that you are but one big gigantic and complete azz hole, LOSER. Bite on that, LOSER. 🤪

Internet troll, all day, every day. What a sad existence. 😢

Yes, you did. It's not all in one speech. His plans for CAF are well-documented. I commented during the campaign about his speech up in the Arctic, which would address both CAF and foreign influence and please the Americans.

That's just plain wrong. And carbon taxes still remain amongst the leading drivers of reductions in the world and are integral to every serious plan to continue reducing emissions in the future. Notwithstanding economic collapses of course. My money says economic collapses will be the most effective drivers in the end - which could be any day now according to you so...

You didn’t need to trot out lies to criticize what Angus was doing, but that’s what you did saying he is for jailing people who are pro oil industry. I liked the bill. It would’ve ended oil industry propaganda, just like there is a bill that prohibits tobacco companies from advertising their products. Are you pro tobacco advertising and propaganda?

There's definitely something wrong with the left wing thought process.

I just listened to much of Mr. Poilieve's news conference and I have questions. He wants to reduce the deficit, but if he is appointed to lead a Ministry, we will all have affordable housing. Where is he going to get the money? He will do away with whats left of carbon taxes, but does not say how he will get people to stop burning petroleum and coal. His likely alternative will be to ration oil and coal, but so far, he has refused to admit it. Rationing is a lot more cumbersome and expensive than deterence through taxation. He said he wants to ship a million barrels of oil through a pipeline terminating on BC's north coast. He did not say how he would convince Brithish Colunbia and First Nations to permit this. BC has a lot more to loose with this than Alberta has to gain. He also did not say how he plans to ensure future generations have suficient petroleum for their needs. When our fossil resourses ar exhausted, we will have to imort it from Russia at a thousand times the price. Perhaps I missed it, but did he even mention plans for the CAF? The CAF has been starved by Conservative, CPC and Liberals for sixty years. Can any of you shed light on this.

That's a bold statement August, perhaps you can explain how you came to this outcome, do you have Naval command experience ? Many Canadians think they know better than the people who command our military, or those that have the experience or knowledge of running certain aspects of our military... Canada has had subs for decades and now today you decide we don't need them, and yet the commander of the NAVY states they are an integral part of the NAVY, NATO commanders have stated that SUBS play a major role in the NAVY....Anyone that served in the NAVY will state that SUBs are the most dangerous weapon in the NAVY... This has got nothing to do with trump....full stop...This has everything to do with replacing Subs that pose a life threatening danger TO Canadian SUBMARINERS...every time they go out...these subs have already claimed the lives of Canadians...and some how they are to much for you to wrap your mind around... Canadians are only as great as they want to be, and right now we are laggards in our duties and signed defense commitments, we are weak 9in the eyes of our allied, and internally we have two groups of people who don't want to be Canadians....we don't have the will to fix any of it....that's not the sign of a great people , its a sign of lazy bunch of quitters...

We’ve had mennonites for centuries so blaming the recent outbreak on them is dubious. We’ve had “foreigners” for centuries too and the Measles vaccine is also mandatory for most “foreigners” immigrating or coming for work or study. So that’s dubious also. You also don’t see big outbreaks centred in Toronto Montreal and Vancouver where most “foreigners” congregate Alberta has had almost as many outbreaks as Ontario despite having a fraction of the population. Alberta has had nearly 40% of all cases. It’s the epicentre of Canadian right-wing nuttery and the new nti-vax conspiracy crap that’s the variable that’s changed. The Ontario cases arw primarily centred in southwest Ontario which is kot an immigration hotbed but is a hotbed for right wing movements and those new “blue collar conservative” anti-vax conspiracy populists.

After...of course. Having a brain-fart are you?

Glad to see you’re still a white trash racist POS in addition to having your woman-hating rape fantasies. It must be a real treat to have the trailer next to yours down at the trailer park.

That Liberals regularly crap all over. Ya, that's a sign of great leadership. 🙄 Is it lunchtime there yet? Did mommy bring your pizza pop to you?

This is quite the conspiracy theory making the rounds amongst the usual half-baked Liberal supporters in their echo chamber. Somehow, those who skipped the covid jab "brainwashed" the entire country to ditch all vaccines altogether. Straight up lazy bull💩. Canada was "measles-free" since 1998, with 95% herd immunity. So where did it suddenly come from? SPOILER ALERT: Not some backyard BBQ of skeptics. Measles is raging globally, particularly in these 9 hotspots: India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Mexico, Kyrgystan and Russia. As someone else pointed out, Canada does not require this vaccination for immigrants, temp workers, foreign students, etc. We have brought literally millions of people in from these hotspot countries since 2020. Now zoom in to where the numbers are exploding in Canada - Ontario & Alberta. Ontario got 21% of PR's, including up to 200,000 Indians, 35,000 Pakistanis, 30,000 Nigerians, 50,000 Afghanis. Alberta is about 7% nationally, but mostly agricultural workers, including 40,000 Indians, 10,000 Nigerians, 150,000 Mexicans and 10,000 Afghanis. Public Health Canada reports that sequencing of the clusters are from Middle Eastern and South Asian strains - that means imported measles landing in dense, diverse neighborhoods. Raw numbers for 2025 are still pending, but you get the picture. Yes, hesitancy is up, but we are dipping well below herd immunity rates in pockets of Canada where many immigrants are landing. Immigrants who are not required by Canada to be vaccinated against measles. That's 30 years of herd immunity down the drain because of imports, not because of some domestic cult's brainwashing of the nation or backyard BBQ. Only m0r0ns believe that. I realize scientific epidemiology is inconvenient for Liberals, but I don't really f%#@king care anymore what a bunch of media-fed, uninformed cretins believe or say.

As an aside, this is one of the benefits of digital ID and face/gait recognition. I can think of other benefits but for every one of them there seems to be an equal and opposite dark side. This might be further advanced in deployment than I thought though. DNA data bases and implanted ID chips are on the horizon. Just for fun, I'll even take it a step further... if everyone on the planet was to be assigned a unique ID number, how many digits would it likely contain? I read some where (and it was a while ago) that 18 digits would be reasonable to encode regional data and provide for sufficient expansion. Almost sounds like 666 eh? Cool, I thought it was just me... that was one of my first thoughts after the number of plants in the crowd was revealed. There are other examples of this too... had the RCMP not been caught in the act of sabotaging heavy equipment on private property Robo-duh wouldn't have believed the possibility of it happening either. That's why such things work. The guy who photographed the Nazi flag (not to mention the clown that waved it) at the trucker protest is another interesting case study. I won't belabour the point but those interested in such things should look into the viewing angle, duration of exposure, who took the picture, and who put the run on the guy waving it.

I already addressed your "points". You provided no objective standards nor qualifications to the goofy distinctions you tried to draw, so as I said, it was literally nothing more than a boring, "Yes but it's different when my guys do it because _____" Nobody is afraid of engaging with you. Normal people have standards when it comes to how they spend their time. Declining to waste it on a miserable no-life who spends his entire day, every day, insulting strangers on the internet at the drop of a hat is part of being a functioning human. 🙃

Pot meet kettle. But making up fake allegations like that is particularly low.

They vote for Mamdani.

Didn’t happen. You were the only one who mentioned rape.

This should have been recognized as a developing crisis in March but the government didn’t respond with sufficient urgency. https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-danielle-smith-ucp-government-vaccine-skepticism-measles-epidemic

Here's an AI response for whatever that's worth... there's more to it I think and no date was included. I think AI is like GPS... watch out for the bridges. Anyway, I'm not going to go digging for stuff because it's all been done here before and none of the Herbs will read anything factual if it's to long anyway. I think they'll defend this one though: Approximately 97% of recent immigrants to Canada have received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. This figure highlights a high level of vaccination coverage within this demographic, which is consistent with the overall trend of strong vaccine uptake across the Canadian population.

I'm not going to go looking but that stands at odds with what I remember from when I did look for it. The vaccination rate among immigrants was higher than I expected and if memory serves, it's close to on par with the general population.

Here they are in all their splendor... Giggle. The Liberal Party of Canada plays politics with the country. They display no concern for the people. Only for their own political careers.

I don't hold much hope that you're actually capable of this sort of reflection. This is right out of the partisan playbook - criticizing or being outraged by something, but when confronted by the same behavior from "your side", you have a cheap "yes but this is different" explanation for why it's okay going the other way. 🥱

This is consistent with Canada's DND procurement planning and actual underspending of the past, discussed here many times over the years. There is no way that Canada will actually procure all 12 (new) diesel-electric submarines, if only because the allocations will not survive future budgets, being "re-profiled" instead. Contracts that yield domestic jobs (in the usual provinces) and/or offsets have the best survival rate. Canadian Forces have learned not to expect anything substantial from the Ottawa circus. There is an occasional surprise, like PM Harper and the four CC-177 Globemaster IIIs which were procured in record time (2006-2008) without competitive bidding and red tape. Production was at Boeing's Long Beach, California facility. A fifth CC-177 was added at the tail end of the production run (2015). Reports are that the RCAF loves them.

Eliminated doesn’t mean eradicated it means we don’t have runaway outbreaks that last longer than 12 months from the first case to the last. Per chat gpt: Measles is one of the most infectious diseases on earth and can be more serious than you suggest, it doesn’t just give you a rash and some nuisance symptoms, it can cause “immune memory loss” and wipe out your immune system for months or years making you vulnerable to germs you were previously immune to. In addition about 5% of infected children develop pneumonia from it which is the top cause death from measles. It can also cause encephalitis (brain swelling) in about 1 in 1,000 patients. In places without modern healthcare deaths can be 10% of cases. Even with modern healthcare 1-3 people out of every 1,000 infections die.

One could always turn that around, Carney did not get a majority....so one would have to ask why? because PP can compete....

What billions? Sometimes if you follow the science it can't be found but if you follow the money you will find the science.

Trump has also reinforced why everyone should be wary of any politician who equates being in opposition to subjugation, especially so when payback enters the picture. Its plain as day what happens to hard-boiled partisans when they do.

There's this idea going around that if one wants to leave the party one was elected under then they should be seated as an independent. Otherwise the optics look bad. It's why Jody Wilson-Raybould is a class act.

Yeeee Haaaawww eh? It's a shame... but what ever you do, don't give how we got here the slightest consideration. The trick was to create a mountain of well earned lack of trust, add insults, hateful rhetoric, do exactly what you promised not to do, get every aspect of following the science wrong and then de-platform anyone who warned you about the possible consequences, including (and especially) future effects like this one. It took a strong effort but here we are asking the very question you were warned was going to get asked... WTF did you think was going to happen? Now, go commiserate with your colleagues here who can't discuss any of this at a high school level either and then throw in an extra handful of nasty rhetoric, insults and sarcasm... see if that changes the trajectory for you.

The reports of CPC members barging into the office of a member contemplating crossing the floor and yelling at him, reminded me of a Liberal member who was planning to resign her seat for personal reasons and receiving a screaming phone call from Justin Trudeau, demanding she reconsider, and the call from the Clerk of the Privy Council to Jody Wilson-Raybould. No political party has a monopoly on disrespect and abuse. A wise man taught me that when you take politics too seriously, you put democracy at risk. He spoke from personal experience.

From the article. Alberta is nearing 2,000 cases, which is more than what has been recorded in the entire United States. Canada can recover its measles-free status if it stifles transmission and follows corrective measures outlined by the Regional Verification Commission. This includes enhanced vaccination and surveillance efforts. Maybe Alberta's separation would hasten that day.

I failed to point out that they happily accept floor crossers, by referencing their accepted floor crossers? That's some interesting logic there buddy boy. 🥱

I brought her up to shut down the goofy notion that the Conservatives are reluctant to accept floor-crossers. Whether or not you or she or anyone else feels they can rationalize it isn't important.

Yeah they were super reluctant to accept Leona Alleslev back in 2018, weren't they? 🙄

So? She didn't own him. Not going to click on this soap opera, sorry...