Carney Articulates The New World Order In Davos

[herbie]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It’s like how nobody in China dares call Xi a dictator because he hates it …and he’s a dictator. Hoekstra claims he can’t understand why we are getting so emotional up here as he openly threatens us. 

Like I surmised, Trump must have more dirt on more people than J Edgar Hoover did. No one has the guts to stand up or even question him.

[Zeitgeist]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes Carney has stated some facts, here is some other facts Canada is in the middle of trying to get rid of tariffs of our own think it is a good idea to step onto an international stage and point out that the world is changing and the US is no longer reliable....He has done this more than once....why would anyone want to deal with a man that continually does that...

HE was the one that stood up and swore to all Canadians HE could get a deal done....And yet here we are....no deal , no nothing... Canada should not be dealing with China at all, Liberals said that last time China held hostage Canadians, and put on crippling tariffs because we were following the rule of law...Get new buyers for our canola....that should have been our priority....I can tell you this you do not get a deal by slamming your partner on the inter national stage...That is poking the bear...

His first and most important role is to govern Canada, and do what is in the best interest of Canada...Getting our deal down with the US our biggest trading partner is his job...NO point in fixing one industry and weaken another...That speech he gave what did it do for the nation, did it get us any closer to a deal with the US, All It did was repaired a relationship that we should have scrap long ago....Canada is his first priority....and we are naive if we think one speech is going to save the world as it is today...That's not Canada's position in this world.

Your pissed because trump has made all of NATO take their membership seriously...we as a Nation have taken advantage of that fact, we have thrown out our responsibility that was laid out in these defensive agreements, and firming up our reputation as laggards.... a nation that can not be relied on for anything of real value....we should be quietly rebuilding that, now is not the time to grab the microphone and start preaching...

And we have not stepped up, we are not at 2 %, a large chunk of that money will be returned as it can not be spent...we have tied our hands behind our back with the current fiscal rules we have put in place...Nobody has taken or invaded anything that's trump way of negotiating , he says a lot of things...  why have we not been able to learn that lesson...

Some thing we all need to learn, the US is the ,master, while we have been cashing in peace bonds , making up new social programs the US has been busy making sure it is the worlds police men...They control the bulk of NATO contribution, NORAD they pay well over 60 % and provide most of the equipment and aircraft....5 EYES Canada has been left out in the cold because we have nothing of any value to share or contribute...Australia contribute far more than Canada does....The US is basically our only trading partner....making up 67.3 percent of our trade....and China makes up only 3.6 percent....who do you think we should be appeasing China or the US...

Cusma did you know Mexico has a much better deal than we do....Remember when we hung Mexico out to dry... ever wonder why we do not do more business with them....We as a nation have set Canada up for failure in the next CUSMA talks....all for our pride....Try eating pride or paying rent with pride and see where it gets us...When you’re dealing with an unhinged President as you call him , you play to his ego....not make fun of him on the international stage....when ever you want...Carney is playing to his base , and forgetting that he is the PM and needs to put our nations first in any comment... 

I disagree. You seem to think that the powerful should be able to threaten and coerce the less powerful to get what they want and that the weaker power’s job is to cower and placate.  That’s not brave or honourable.  I agree that we needed to up our NATO contributions, but most of NATO’s work has been in the US’s interests before any other country’s.  The only time Article 5 was invoked was in defence of the U.S., and Canada was first to invoke it.

You don’t seem to see that no matter what Canada does, the U.S. coercion under Trump continues full press. There’s no backing off of anything.  Only the U.S. Supreme Court or a post-mid-term reshuffling of Congress is going to reel Trump in — unless the rest of the West that Trump was so bent on alienating band together and say enough is enough.  It’s finally happening.

You’re right, the U.S. does dominate our exports, and where has that got us?  Well you’re looking at it.  Canada needs to diversify its trade away from the U.S. and make it clear that it’s not taking direction from foreign powers, especially when such powers seek to damage or take advantage of us.  If Canadians haven’t learned that, if the West hasn’t learned that by now, we really are dupes. Carney is just the messenger about an order that Trump ushered in but tried to pretend was still the rules-based order.  Look, we had our Emergencies Act excesses, which were real, but the U.S. is extremely polarized during these ICE raids.  Trump has been very aggressive and coercive in pursuit of Greenland.  You can say it’s just a bargaining tactic, but why should Trump be able to carry on like this while Carney gets slammed merely for describing the phenomenon and proposing reasonable protections against it?  You simply won’t find a sympathetic audience anymore for that kind of double standard internationally.  The jig is up.

You know I’ve been supportive of Trump on the cultural front.  Milei and Orban are also correct on the importance of restoring the Christian West, which is killing itself culturally and literally en masse. Trump’s problem is that he doesn’t know how to leave well enough alone or do things diplomatically.

Canada and the U.S. have too much in common and of mutual benefit to throw away the relationship over unnecessary disputes.  We should have an economic union of two countries, but that’s not enough for the guy who wants to remove our sovereign status and integrate us into a much larger power through coercion.  This situation cannot be ignored by any self-respecting Canadian PM. We are not stupid people. There’s a big price to be paid for mistreating and disrespecting other countries. Not everything is about money and military might, nor should it be.

Edited January 28 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

why should Trump be able to carry on like this while Carney gets slammed merely for describing the phenomenon and proposing reasonable protections against it?

Because Americans pay their NATO bill. Enjoy your collapsing “free” healthcare I guess.

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

This situation cannot be ignored by any self-respecting Canadian PM.

Can and will. Bring knee pads.

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

There’s a big price to be paid for mistreating and disrespecting other countries. Not everything is about money and military might, nor should it be.

No. The entire American continent (North and South) is a giant American Island. There isn’t a damn thing any country on earth can do about it. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Because Americans pay their NATO bill. Enjoy your collapsing “free” healthcare I guess.

Can and will. Bring knee pads.

No. The entire American continent (North and South) is a giant American Island. There isn’t a damn thing any country on earth can do about it. 

I think there’s a lot other countries can do about it and they’re doing it.  I also think there’s a big segment of the U.S. population that’s not on board with Trump’s autocratic belligerence internationally and his harsh approach using ICE and militaristic policing of cities.  Early on he had a mandate and people were patient.  That honeymoon is over. I think Trump has largely lost middle America.  Traditional allies won’t keep getting fooled and are working around this administration.  I guess we’ll find out by next November how many Americans are still on board.  Internationally the tide has certainly turned.  We’re already past our 2% NATO spending targets.  The 5% was another in the moment conjured up spending target that not even America will reach, nor should it. Trump has more or less said he’s not willing to go to bat for allies anyway. The pressure on Greenland made a mockery of NATO. You can keep your kneepads and keep on sucking. 

Edited January 28 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Internationally the tide has certainly turned.  

Turned to where exactly?????   
See what you all failed to see is that Carney is simply trying to find negotiating chips to trade in when NAFTA 2 negotiations are under way. Canada really doesn’t have much of a chip to play in the first place. Or another country it can trade with at scale. It’s tyranny of geography not orange man, so feel free to get upset over that all you want.
 

Edited January 28 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

That honeymoon is over.

You left your knee pad by the door, don’t forget to put them back on when you come to bed.

[Barquentine]

11 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The average family home was less than 2.5 times annual family income in 1970. Today it is more than SIX times the average family income.

And houses are double in size despite people having fewer children. 

"In the early 1970s, the average new home in Canada was approximately 1,050 to 1,200 square feet. By comparison, median single-detached house sizes in Ontario specifically were around 1,317 sq ft in the 1970s, before increasing to over 2,300 sq ft by the 2020s."

"$46,273.00 in 1975 would cost: $252,816.06 in 2025."

"Average Family Net Wealth (1976): Approximately $46,273
Average Family Net Wealth (2025): Approximately $520,000"

Looks like both house size and family wealth have doubled since the 70s.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

And houses are double in size despite people having fewer children. 

"In the early 1970s, the average new home in Canada was approximately 1,050 to 1,200 square feet. By comparison, median single-detached house sizes in Ontario specifically were around 1,317 sq ft in the 1970s, before increasing to over 2,300 sq ft by the 2020s."

"$46,273.00 in 1975 would cost: $252,816.06 in 2025."

"Average Family Net Wealth (1976): Approximately $46,273
Average Family Net Wealth (2025): Approximately $520,000"

Looks like both house size and family wealth have doubled since the 70s.

I do not understand this. Explain it to me like I'm 30.

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Not sure where your getting your stats from

What's the quote? "There's Lies, Damn Lies, and statistics." I guess it depends on who's doing the math and what their formula and intentions are.

[Barquentine]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

I do not understand this. Explain it to me like I'm 30.

There's no such thing as 'The Good Ol' Days'.

21 hours ago, ironstone said:

In the early 1970s, food banks were virtually non-existent

Does that mean there were no poor hungry people in the early 1970s?

[Michael Hardner]

41 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

There's no such thing as 'The Good Ol' Days'.

 

I agree, but numbers do tell a story.

Look at the state of the middle class, 1965 to present.

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure there are other factors, like a lower dollar. Virtually everything in the US is cheaper simply due to that. Has been for years.

But to be sure, food prices are going higher in the US as well due to worsening climate and weather.

It's called global climate change for a reason.

Our prices are also affected but the 30+ % exchange rate as well as we import more than 68% of our food.

American beef and poultry producers have just settled a 18 million USD lawsuit for price fixing. 

So, 4 things affect our prices, climate, importation, dollar exchange rate and now we find out there has been price fixing in the US

https://www.canadiancattlemen.ca/daily/tyson-foods-settles-us-beef-price-fixing-lawsuit-for-82-5-million/

https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/32954-agri-stats-agrees-to-settlement-in-wage-fixing-lawsuit

[paxamericana]

59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, 4 things affect our prices, climate, importation, dollar exchange rate and now we find out there has been price fixing in the US

Or you can be 51st. See it was never an America problem to begin with.

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We are not the 51st state yet. Anybody who can’t clearly and unequivocally reject that slander as loudly as possible should leave our country. We have allowed ourselves to become too dependent on one foreign state and now we are paying for that because they have betrayed our trust and are cynically exploiting that vulnerability. Now is the time to adjust our trade practices - not surrender to a foreign power. 

My own trans support page. C’mon people, your trolling needs to improve. 

No we are not but don't for a second say that our nation decisions are not heavily controlled by the US...All you have to do is look who is behind all our major decisions...and who shaped them.

It is not that we allowed this to happen , what real choice did we have , say no....and every time we have there has been consequences...And now we just pretend to be our own nation, controlling our own destiny...All of that been said we have also enjoyed the economical successes that have come from being dependent on the US...And because the President has said some words we are now just waking up and saying hey you can't talk to us like that....Yes they can, because we got lazy and let all this happen...We should be pointing the finger at Canadians...I find it funny that you would say that they are cynically exploiting that vulnerability....when we have had no problem doing the same in regards to trade, defense, and everything else that comes with being the US neighbor....

We have surrender long ago, waking up now when the US has angrily said enough is enough, start paying for your own stuff...and now we are pissed off because the free ride is over...

[paxamericana]

27 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

pissed off because the free ride is over...

Yup, all the elbows up crowd is pissed they can’t have their cake and eat it too. Cry me a river. Free trade doesn’t mean free. It requires the administrative burden of securing said trade routes and implementing a police force to resolve trade disputes and enforcement of the rule of law. That’s America, the world’s police for more than 80 years, paid for by the American people.

There is no moral high ground for Canada.
@SpankyMcFarlandYou all were given the opportunity to become a State. Literally the best deal on the table or you can play pretend sovereignty and be third world Somalia. You all chose Somalia of the North. Take as much time as you want, when you’re all broke we’ll buy you out with pennies on the dollar. Tik tok 

Edited January 28 by paxamericana

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree. You seem to think that the powerful should be able to threaten and coerce the less powerful to get what they want and that the weaker power’s job is to cower and placate.  That’s not brave or honourable.  I agree that we needed to up our NATO contributions, but most of NATO’s work has been in the US’s interests before any other country’s.  The only time Article 5 was invoked was in defence of the U.S., and Canada was first to invoke it.

You don’t seem to see that no matter what Canada does, the U.S. coercion under Trump continues full press. There’s no backing off of anything.  Only the U.S. Supreme Court or a post-mid-term reshuffling of Congress is going to reel Trump in — unless the rest of the West that Trump was so bent on alienating band together and say enough is enough.  It’s finally happening.

You’re right, the U.S. does dominate our exports, and where has that got us?  Well you’re looking at it.  Canada needs to diversify its trade away from the U.S. and make it clear that it’s not taking direction from foreign powers, especially when such powers seek to damage or take advantage of us.  If Canadians haven’t learned that, if the West hasn’t learned that by now, we really are dupes. Carney is just the messenger about an order that Trump ushered in but tried to pretend was still the rules-based order.  Look, we had our Emergencies Act excesses, which were real, but the U.S. is extremely polarized during these ICE raids.  Trump has been very aggressive and coercive in pursuit of Greenland.  You can say it’s just a bargaining tactic, but why should Trump be able to carry on like this while Carney gets slammed merely for describing the phenomenon and proposing reasonable protections against it?  You simply won’t find a sympathetic audience anymore for that kind of double standard internationally.  The jig is up.

You know I’ve been supportive of Trump on the cultural front.  Milei and Orban are also correct on the importance of restoring the Christian West, which is killing itself culturally and literally en masse. Trump’s problem is that he doesn’t know how to leave well enough alone or do things diplomatically.

Canada and the U.S. have too much in common and of mutual benefit to throw away the relationship over unnecessary disputes.  We should have an economic union of two countries, but that’s not enough for the guy who wants to remove our sovereign status and integrate us into a much larger power through coercion.  This situation cannot be ignored by any self-respecting Canadian PM. We are not stupid people. There’s a big price to be paid for mistreating and disrespecting other countries. Not everything is about money and military might, nor should it be.

It isa not what i think, it is the reality we live in. The US has always controlled or heavily influence the western words decisions...only today we don't like trump as everything he says or does is bad...i get that, but look back at our history and tell me were we have made a major decision that was not influenced by the US or Great Britian...it might shock you they are few and far between...SO in reality we surrendered long ago, because it was advantageous to us...Pointing out that Canada has been a good allied is moot, look at our contribution size and tell me we were living up to those defensive agreements.

Maybe the US is not satisfied with our responses...take the drug issue, we hired 1000 new RCMP and CB staff, and rented 4 Blackhawks...it does not inspire any really action does it, take our military, yes we announced a whole bag of money would be spent to bring us to 2 %, but in reality a good chunk of that will be returned as DND will not be able to spend it in time...

Imports where has that got us, why have we gone that route, is a better question ? it is cheaper, less transportation costs, it is a huge profitable market which prefers US costumers.. Yes we have been singing we should be diversifying our markets every since the Chinese placed massive tariffs on us and then held hostage 2 Canadian.....so why have we not done that yet....So are we dupes, or just to damn lazy....

I've talked about being taken advantage off on another post, Has Canada taken advantage of the US,  i would say yes, take NORAD, NATO and who pays most of the bills, you have mentioned trade already....we do it because it is convenient and we are to lazy to go else where. Carney should be looking out for the nations best interest which is to solve our tariff problem....do you really think slandering trump at this point is helpful, whether it is true or not, is it a good tactic to use when your trying to ask for something....The world sees what Trump is doing , everyone knows it not like they needed a reminder  from Carney....And come this summer we will find out what all these comments of Carney is going to cost us...when CUSMA is being redone, and then we will see who is sympathetic or not...

He is not a diplomat he is a businessman, same as carney , so don't expect to much diplomacy from either.. 

He does not want Canada, we got to many problems to be worth having us under the US umbrella...that was trump diplomacy in action....threats and tariffs is is bag, we either adapt on how we deal with him , or perish because of our pride....We have been ignoring it for decades, trump is just being more forceful, and to be honest US diplomacy when it comes to Canada has failed in every way...every president dating back decades has failed to get Canada to spend more on NATO, NORAD, not to mention our trade with the US has been declining , The US has been paying the bills for our defense, for far to long, they are getting sick of it...every wonder why they don't have all the social programs we have...ever wonder if they want them...Now it is not just us it is most of NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES and every other defensive pack the us has...and it has cost them trillions...Now they are saying start paying and everyone is shocked they would step up and demand that....

[SpankyMcFarland]

North American expectations have become unreasonable. We may mock tv commercials but we absorb the deeper message that we can have everything we want right now. This is a contributor to many problems we have on both sides of the border - deficits, housing, opioids. We live for today and way beyond our means. Instead of sorting out Europe, let’s fix ourselves first. 

[ironstone]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Does that mean there were no poor hungry people in the early 1970s?

Probably not. But the fact that the number of food banks has gone from virtually none in the early 70s to around 2725 as of 2026 indicates that the problem has gotten exponentially worse.

I think it's dishonest for anyone to suggest that Liberal policies have nothing to do with this.

How have things changed in Canada and when was the middle class at a peak?

Canada’s middle class richest in world: report

"A new analysis from the New York Times published on Tuesday suggests Canada’s middle class has leapfrogged middle-income earners to the south of us and is now the richest mid-level earnings cohort in the world."

https://globalnews.ca/news/1284297/canadas-middle-class-most-prosperous-in-world-report/

(This article was written in 2014, just before Justin Trudeau.)

[SpankyMcFarland]

Something that needs to be faced - America is in relative decline. This is behind a lot of the aggression we are seeing at the moment. Their country is in the Anglo-Boer War stage, picking fights with much smaller countries. They need to acknowledge what’s happening down there before they get to a Suez Crisis.

Edited January 28 by SpankyMcFarland

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

It isa not what i think, it is the reality we live in. The US has always controlled or heavily influence the western words decisions...only today we don't like trump as everything he says or does is bad...i get that, but look back at our history and tell me were we have made a major decision that was not influenced by the US or Great Britian...it might shock you they are few and far between...SO in reality we surrendered long ago, because it was advantageous to us...Pointing out that Canada has been a good allied is moot, look at our contribution size and tell me we were living up to those defensive agreements.

Maybe the US is not satisfied with our responses...take the drug issue, we hired 1000 new RCMP and CB staff, and rented 4 Blackhawks...it does not inspire any really action does it, take our military, yes we announced a whole bag of money would be spent to bring us to 2 %, but in reality a good chunk of that will be returned as DND will not be able to spend it in time...

Imports where has that got us, why have we gone that route, is a better question ? it is cheaper, less transportation costs, it is a huge profitable market which prefers US costumers.. Yes we have been singing we should be diversifying our markets every since the Chinese placed massive tariffs on us and then held hostage 2 Canadian.....so why have we not done that yet....So are we dupes, or just to damn lazy....

I've talked about being taken advantage off on another post, Has Canada taken advantage of the US,  i would say yes, take NORAD, NATO and who pays most of the bills, you have mentioned trade already....we do it because it is convenient and we are to lazy to go else where. Carney should be looking out for the nations best interest which is to solve our tariff problem....do you really think slandering trump at this point is helpful, whether it is true or not, is it a good tactic to use when your trying to ask for something....The world sees what Trump is doing , everyone knows it not like they needed a reminder  from Carney....And come this summer we will find out what all these comments of Carney is going to cost us...when CUSMA is being redone, and then we will see who is sympathetic or not...

He is not a diplomat he is a businessman, same as carney , so don't expect to much diplomacy from either.. 

He does not want Canada, we got to many problems to be worth having us under the US umbrella...that was trump diplomacy in action....threats and tariffs is is bag, we either adapt on how we deal with him , or perish because of our pride....We have been ignoring it for decades, trump is just being more forceful, and to be honest US diplomacy when it comes to Canada has failed in every way...every president dating back decades has failed to get Canada to spend more on NATO, NORAD, not to mention our trade with the US has been declining , The US has been paying the bills for our defense, for far to long, they are getting sick of it...every wonder why they don't have all the social programs we have...ever wonder if they want them...Now it is not just us it is most of NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES and every other defensive pack the us has...and it has cost them trillions...Now they are saying start paying and everyone is shocked they would step up and demand that....

But we’re no longer a British colony or a country of 20 million people.  We can do for ourselves what we used to rely on the mother country or US to provide.  We do a lot of exporting, but we’ve imported a lot that we probably don’t need to import anymore, including from the U.S.. Often we have trade deficits with the rest of the world rather than surpluses.  We can find other markets and do more for ourselves.  Canada persists without the US. What does Australia, a smaller, more geographically isolated country, do? The U.S. will remain our biggest trading partner.  Yes, and Canada will remain the U.S.’s biggest export market. We don’t have to beg or suck off in order to sell stuff outside Canada.  The more ridiculous tariffs Trump autocratically imposes, the less credibility he has and the more justified countries are in shifting trade away from the U.S., which we have to do to protect our workers.

Edited January 28 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Barquentine said:

And houses are double in size despite people having fewer children. 

"In the early 1970s, the average new home in Canada was approximately 1,050 to 1,200 square feet. By comparison, median single-detached house sizes in Ontario specifically were around 1,317 sq ft in the 1970s, before increasing to over 2,300 sq ft by the 2020s."

"$46,273.00 in 1975 would cost: $252,816.06 in 2025."

"Average Family Net Wealth (1976): Approximately $46,273
Average Family Net Wealth (2025): Approximately $520,000"

Looks like both house size and family wealth have doubled since the 70s.

Most of the cost of a house is for the land. Plot sizes have shrunk since the 1970s. Used to be 50-foot wide plots were common. Now it's more like 30-40. I would also say the quality of the builds was higher then, as well. So we're paying much more for less land, and shittier houses that are taxed much more.

Edited January 28 by I am Groot

[BeaverFever]

On 1/20/2026 at 6:25 PM, Zeitgeist said:

This was a very brilliant speech in which Carney demonstrated command.  I have to admit that it was a courageous call to action, but I hope Canadians and our leaders do some soul-searching as to how we let our plight get to this point.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtF630gnvZQ

Careful!  You’re not allowed to say “new world order” apparently and also you’re a liar because while carney speech was about a new world order he didn’t say “lNew World Order”. Or so says @CdnFox

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

But we’re no longer a British colony or a country of 20 million people.  We can do for ourselves what we used to rely on the mother country or US to provide.  We do a lot of exporting, but we’ve imported a lot that we probably don’t need to import anymore, including from the U.S.. Often we have trade deficits with the rest of the world rather than surpluses.  We can find other markets and do more for ourselves.  Canada persists without the US. What does Australia, a smaller, more geographically isolated country, do? The U.S. will remain our biggest trading partner.  Yes, and Canada will remain the U.S.’s biggest export market. We don’t have to beg or suck off in order to sell stuff outside Canada.  The more ridiculous tariffs Trump autocratically imposes, the less credibility he has and the more justified countries are in shifting trade away from the U.S., which we have to do to protect our workers.

Which one is it, are we goin to be is the US going to be our largest trading partner, or are we going to diversify.....and if we continue,o why do we need to continue with slandering Trump( knowing how he is going to react) ....it's like Yes we know what side the bread is buttered on, but we are still going to poke and poke until we get a reaction....Then it is surprise MF here is your tariffs, and then we respond like it is a surprise...and act like what is that for...

For all you guys that seem to have forgotten this is trump 2.0, we already know what he is like , what drives him, what he likes and does not like...or maybe our memories are just gone....or we are stupid, and love to see how he reacts, either way we deserve what is coming to us....Not because i love the Good old USA,  but rather we are acting like a bunch of kindergarten kids...and then surprised when we get treated as such...

Where has it gotten us today, do we have a trade deal, has our relationship with the US increased....for a guy that sold himself to Canadians as the guy to get the deal, the one sent from god to deal with trump, HE has failed....AND Canadians are thumping their chest....ready to support Carney ...whom has delivered zero so far....Trump is not even in the top 5 concerns for Canadians ....but the liberal machine will change that come the next election....and because we are SOOOO smart the liberals have a fighting chance to win another election....

[ironstone]

10 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Something that needs to be faced - America is in relative decline. This is behind a lot of the aggression we are seeing at the moment. Their country is in the Anglo-Boer War stage, picking fights with much smaller countries. They need to acknowledge what’s happening down there before they get to a Suez Crisis.

Not just the US, there are a lot of Western nations in decline.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

For all you guys that seem to have forgotten this is trump 2.0, we already know what he is like

Yeah, he caves. Fùck him.

He's toast. November will be the biggest midterm blowout in history and he'll spend the last two years of his term golfing.

Take a deep breath and ride it out till then.

Probably the worst thing would be if he strokes out and Vance moves into position.