ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, that's just your urge to basically blame everything on them. I don't blame everything on them, but their policies have had a large impact on the cost of living in this country. Do you think carbon taxes and mass immigration have not negatively impacted life in Canada? Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, ironstone said: The Liberal industrial carbon tax has notable effects on grocery prices due to its influence on transportation and production costs. Here’s a detailed breakdown of how it impacts the grocery market. Who broke these down btw? I'm betting it was a peer reviewed publication paid for by Big Oil. You know how following the money works. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ironstone said: I don't blame everything on them, but their policies have had a large impact on the cost of living in this country. Do you think carbon taxes and mass immigration have not negatively impacted life in Canada? Carbon taxes? No, its barely enough to notice and even less now. I definitely think mass migration is impacting our lives though and we haven't seen anything yet. Climate change is expected to cause 1.5 billion human beings to flee increasingly uninhabitable regions for cooler climes. It's already started. Evidence of climate and economic drivers affecting migration in an unequal and warming world Edited January 27 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: With climate and weather cited as the leading driver. Deal with it. It's only going to get worse. Bullcrap Deal with it. Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Legato said: Bullcrap Deal with it. Are you one of these folks who figure climate change is going to improve our lives in Canada? When btw? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: Who broke these down btw? I'm betting it was a peer reviewed publication paid for by Big Oil. I put the question to AI which may even tilt left. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 Just now, eyeball said: Are you one of these folks who figure climate change is going to improve our lives in Canada? When btw? Not really, I, like many others are still waiting for the sky to fall and have decided to ignore the ravings of the climate money grubbers. Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, ironstone said: I put the question to AI which may even tilt left. Where did AI get it's answer? It usually provides a link too if its asked. Do you ever put the word scholarly articles or paper in your questions? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Legato said: Not really, I, like many others are still waiting for the sky to fall and have decided to ignore the ravings of the climate money grubbers. So...ribbet? Did you know studies show frogs are actually smart enough to jump out of a warming pot after all? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: Where did AI get it's answer? It usually provides a link too if its asked. Do you ever put the word scholarly articles or paper in your questions? The links that came up for that particular question were from Global News and the Toronto Sun. Even when food from outside Canada comes into the country, it still must be transported to various locations and that involves the use of fossil fuels which are subject to the industrial carbon tax. Canadian farmers are also affected by the industrial carbon tax because of the fuel they use. The tax applies to industries that produce fertilizers, which the farmers also use. It's perfectly reasonable to conclude that the cost of the tax gets passed down and ultimately raises the price of food. >Which leads to food poverty>More people relying on food banks Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: Sorry, the majority of Canadians don’t support your call for subservience and vassalage. You also are unde the delusion that Trump can be placated and can be negotiated with when we have seen his word is worthless and he bargains in bad faith. You seem to think respects weaklings who bend the knee and submit. He HATES those people and he only sees it as invitation to take more from them. Meanwhile Trump backed off of Denmark when Canada and the allies stood up to him. Youre also living in an alternate reality when you say we are not making any friends. We always had many friends and Carney has made even more. After Davos he’s being celebrated around the world and across the USA by the anti-Trump Americans. Trump is the one losing friends Is that what you call it, subservience and vassalage...(something we have been for decades now....).I guess you would rather die under the sword then, or be destroyed economically by one of the worlds super powers. Please tell us all what do you think your going to prove here, what outcome do you think you can achieve.........Every other G-7 country has done exactly that have become subservience and Vassalage for decades now, and we have seen in the recent media all of them pledging all of that once again..to have their tariffs reduced...And now you standing up and saying he hates all of that, hence why they have reduced tariffs and we don't....Because Trump thrives on all of this...And don't think for one minute Trump backed off because Canada agreed to send 16 air force guys on a military exercise to Greenland...or Carney speech had any influence on trumps decision... Those that decided to speak out would be nothing more than a speck on the windshield..... Yes, it is me that is living in an alternative universe....Time and time again our closet allies have complained about Canada military , its lack of spending, it's lack of taken any responsibility in world affairs....Those same friends as you call them called as laggards... What were these friends saying or doing when it was Canada that was threaten.... Did you see any lining up to send troops to Canada...maybe a ship of two....Nice friends you got there... Carney is making new friends, you mean like China...the same country that has stab us in the back so many times, that relationship should have been terminated long ago. Carney had one speech in DAVO's and all of a sudden everyone likes Canada....here is a news flash for you, Trump does not need friends....the US has one of the largest militaries in the world , on top of one of the largest economies...And after all of this is said and done, NATO will be under the US command as it always has been.... Now you and the majority of Canadians as you suggest can thump your chest and beat the war drums...., and provoke trump even further....and we will see what that gets us, I'm just being realistic it won't get us anything........But that's all it is, noise in the back ground, Noise is not going to get us a trade deal or get rid of tariffs... If we don't get a deal on CUSMA or tariffs where do you think that is going to place us economically....I mean 67.9 % of our trade goes to the states....and if the tear up the agreement and put further tariffs on Canadian goods, do you think we can weather that storm...Covid economical period will look like boom times...But at least you and others will have your pride , wonder what that taste like.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 44 minutes ago, ironstone said: Even when food from outside Canada comes into the country, it still must be transported to various locations and that involves the use of fossil fuels which are subject to the industrial carbon tax. Why do you insist on conflating the consumer carbon tax Carney killed with the industrial carbon tax fossil fuel emitters pay? Whatever effect there is that filters thru to consumers amounts to a fart in a windstorm with regard to food inflation... Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on the price of food and the agricultural sector. Our modelling, done in partnership with Navius Research for the Independent Assessment of Carbon Pricing Systems shows that industrial carbon pricing has near zero overall impact on households’ spending on food. The same analysis projects that the cumulative GDP impact on the agricultural sector would be 0.08 per cent by 2030. Farmers don’t directly pay the industrial carbon price and there are almost no costs to pass through the supply chain on to consumers. https://climateinstitute.ca/news/fact-sheet-canada-industrial-carbon-pricing-systems/ Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: What a load of cliches, the sort of thing Charles Krauthammer made popular decades ago. He has the gall to criticize Carney standing up for Canada after Trump has repeatedly threatened our very existence? Behind the fancy words, he’s just another supporter of a foreign power telling us we should do as we are told. Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few surrender monkeys on this side of the border all too willing to fall in line. I see in another tweet he mentions how clever the people are in Trump’s cabinet. Yet these geniuses tell preposterous lies on a daily basis for their grotesque master. What Americans need to understand is that the competition with China is primarily over technology rather than territory. This isn’t 1920. All the oil in Venezuela, minerals in Greenland and land in Canada will mean nothing if Chinese scientists leap ahead. Also bear in mind that the arrogance of Athens was resented by many Greeks and contributed to its defeat by Sparta. I have to ask you do you really think Canada controlled it's own destiny, you make it sound like Canadians are in control of Canada....SO what in the blue blazes makes you think we are in control now....Give us an example of how we are in control of our own nation ? And if that's the case why are we surrender monkeys now when it has been the practice for Centuries...And as far as lies goes, the liberal party is one big lie....just that liberal voters can't see it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why do you insist on conflating the consumer carbon tax Carney killed with the industrial carbon tax fossil fuel emitters pay? Because taxes tend to get passed on down the line. 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on the price of food and the agricultural sector. You post a link saying there's basically no impact of the ICT on food prices or the agricultural sector and I posted one indicating that government policies, including the ICT, do in fact impact food prices. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/government-policies-help-push-grocery-prices-higher-canada A standoff. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 16 minutes ago, ironstone said: Because taxes tend to get passed on down the line. Not this one, not the way you're saying and to nowhere near the extent. 18 minutes ago, ironstone said: You post a link saying there's basically no impact of the ICT on food prices or the agricultural sector and I posted one indicating that government policies, including the ICT, do in fact impact food prices. Please...I posted a link to an article dated Nov 2025. You posted an article dated Mar 2023. Your article talks about the carbon tax that's now dead, my article talks talks about the industrial carbon tax. You can't do any better than that? Christ what an amateur. If there's an impact it's miniscule. The fossil fuel industry probably paid the Fraser Institute more to write the article then Canadians will ever be charged for the ITC. Did you follow the money? I'll bet you never check Trivago either. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) Something is deeply wrong with the world when the US president seems angrier with an ally for trading with China than he is with China itself. Edited January 28 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
I am Groot Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: What a load of cliches, the sort of thing Charles Krauthammer made popular decades ago. He has the gall to criticize Carney standing up for Canada after Trump has repeatedly threatened our very existence? No one has threatened 'our existence'. I think you're cutting and pasting from your trans support page. And there's a difference between standing up for Canada and deliberately poking the bear for now benefit to Canada. 6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Behind the fancy words, he’s just another supporter of a foreign power telling us we should do as we are told. Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few surrender monkeys on this side of the border all too willing to fall in line. The only way Canada could strike an independent path would be if we were economically powerful, had lots of stuff to export that people wanted (and that we had the ability to export) and were militarily strong enough to discourage adventurism. But Canada is economically weaker than it has been in a hundred years. With a hollowed-out economy, industries driven overseas by heavy taxes and energy costs, no military to speak of, and a massive debt load and out-of-control yearly deficits. We don't have the pipelines or ports to expand our exports more than 4-5%. Which means it would be a really good idea to strike a deal with the US. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, Blah Blah Blah... I remember people saying the same thing when I was kid. And I'm an old geezer. "In 1970, the average income of a census family was $9,600." "In 2024, average household income around $106,300." Damn immigrants! According to Google, $10k in 1970 is worth about $81k today. Does that mean we're ahead? Nope. The average family home was less than 2.5 times annual family income in 1970. Today it is more than SIX times the average family income. Average tuition for undergraduate university for a year was $410. Want to continue with this, genius? I haven't even gotten into the huge increase in income and other taxes between 1970 and now. Edited January 28 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 23 minutes ago, I am Groot said: No one has threatened 'our existence'. I think you're cutting and pasting from your trans support page. And there's a difference between standing up for Canada and deliberately poking the bear for now benefit to Canada. The only way Canada could strike an independent path would be if we were economically powerful, had lots of stuff to export that people wanted (and that we had the ability to export) and were militarily strong enough to discourage adventurism. But Canada is economically weaker than it has been in a hundred years. With a hollowed-out economy, industries driven overseas by heavy taxes and energy costs, no military to speak of, and a massive debt load and out-of-control yearly deficits. We don't have the pipelines or ports to expand our exports more than 4-5%. Which means it would be a really good idea to strike a deal with the US. We are still a sovereign nation last time I looked. Let’s not throw the game before it starts. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: I have to ask you do you really think Canada controlled it's own destiny, you make it sound like Canadians are in control of Canada....SO what in the blue blazes makes you think we are in control now....Give us an example of how we are in control of our own nation ? And if that's the case why are we surrender monkeys now when it has been the practice for Centuries...And as far as lies goes, the liberal party is one big lie....just that liberal voters can't see it... We are not the 51st state yet. Anybody who can’t clearly and unequivocally reject that slander as loudly as possible should leave our country. We have allowed ourselves to become too dependent on one foreign state and now we are paying for that because they have betrayed our trust and are cynically exploiting that vulnerability. Now is the time to adjust our trade practices - not surrender to a foreign power. 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: No one has threatened 'our existence'. I think you're cutting and pasting from your trans support page. And there's a difference between standing up for Canada and deliberately poking the bear for now benefit to Canada. The only way Canada could strike an independent path would be if we were economically powerful, had lots of stuff to export that people wanted (and that we had the ability to export) and were militarily strong enough to discourage adventurism. But Canada is economically weaker than it has been in a hundred years. With a hollowed-out economy, industries driven overseas by heavy taxes and energy costs, no military to speak of, and a massive debt load and out-of-control yearly deficits. We don't have the pipelines or ports to expand our exports more than 4-5%. Which means it would be a really good idea to strike a deal with the US. My own trans support page. C’mon people, your trolling needs to improve. Edited January 28 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
herbie Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 WTH do you mean no one threatens us? The goddam provocations continue. The US AMbassador warned today that US fighter jets would be forced to violate Cdn airspace if we do not buy the F35s. Claiming they'd need to buy more planes to "fill in" and alter the terms of NORAD. What a load of steaming byllshit, the usual crap similar to that spewing from every person n the Trump administration. How do they manage now with our handful of F18s? Claiming no other plane can do the job? Omitting we committed to 18 F35s and they can't work in the North? Misinformation, threats and intimidation continue from the US are the biggest threats of political interference to Canada. Quote
Legato Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 4 hours ago, eyeball said: So...ribbet? Did you know studies show frogs are actually smart enough to jump out of a warming pot after all? So ...Bugs. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 38 minutes ago, herbie said: WTH do you mean no one threatens us? The goddam provocations continue. The US AMbassador warned today that US fighter jets would be forced to violate Cdn airspace if we do not buy the F35s. Claiming they'd need to buy more planes to "fill in" and alter the terms of NORAD. What a load of steaming byllshit, the usual crap similar to that spewing from every person n the Trump administration. How do they manage now with our handful of F18s? Claiming no other plane can do the job? Omitting we committed to 18 F35s and they can't work in the North? Misinformation, threats and intimidation continue from the US are the biggest threats of political interference to Canada. It’s like how nobody in China dares call Xi a dictator because he hates it …and he’s a dictator. Hoekstra claims he can’t understand why we are getting so emotional up here as he openly threatens us. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
I am Groot Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Notice what happened to Canada's growth once we started to adopt mass immigration from the third world? Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It’s like how nobody in China dares call Xi a dictator because he hates it …and he’s a dictator. Hold that thought...it seems Xi is busy cleaning house or maybe covering up his own incompetence at making life better for China these days. In addition to exerting greater controls on what ordinary Chinese can say or do he's on a apparent purge of his right wing...his generals, elites and such have been feeling the heat too. Fate of China’s top general more likely to do with power struggle than corruption. There are other old leaders on their last legs barking out their old grievances before the long night settles in around them these days as well. Xi, The Ayatollah, Netanyahu, Putin, Trump...certainly the crankiest most intransigent members of the old fart club. Maybe the fever gripping the world will abate a little when they finally die off. Let's hope so. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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