Popular Post Zeitgeist Posted January 20 Popular Post Report Posted January 20 (edited) This was a very brilliant speech in which Carney demonstrated command. I have to admit that it was a courageous call to action, but I hope Canadians and our leaders do some soul-searching as to how we let our plight get to this point. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtF630gnvZQ Edited January 20 by Zeitgeist 8 Quote
John Johnston Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Indeed. Thoughtful and intelligent speech. Quote
John Stone Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 ........... rumor is he also discussed sending a small contingent (12) of Can. Military to Greenland. Speech? Churchillian 3 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: This was a very brilliant speech in which Carney demonstrated command. I have to admit that it was a courageous call to action, but I hope Canadians and our leaders do some soul-searching as to how we let our plight get to this point. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtF630gnvZQ Our plight?? Seems to me that was what the speech was about...the plight of the world as a result of a tyrant. The almost world wide accolades for Carney and his speech is nice to see. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Popular Post Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Popular Post Report Posted January 21 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Our plight?? Seems to me that was what the speech was about...the plight of the world as a result of a tyrant. The almost world wide accolades for Carney and his speech is nice to see. It was a good and historically significant speech that demonstrated Carney’s ability and statesmanship. However, there are good reasons for the rise of populism and the cynicism about globalism and the elites who have pushed net zero and identity politics goals that the West can’t afford in a context of collapsing birth rates and other rising powers. Carney has to address Canada’s naivety in this environment. Edited January 21 by Zeitgeist 5 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Carney has to address Canada’s naivety in this environment. Seems to me he did that by voicing how 'Middle Powers' can move ahead. Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: It was a good and historically significant speech that demonstrated Carney’s ability and statesmanship. However, there are good reasons for the rise of populism and the cynicism about globalism and the elites who have pushed net zero and identity politics goals that the West can’t afford in a context of collapsing birth rates and other rising powers. Carney has to address Canada’s naivety in this environment. I am not sure where you hear or see the "rise of populism and cynicism about globalism"? Are you implying the WEF is encouraging the collapse of birth rates? Or expecting "other rising powers"? What I heard is Carney addressing the current situation and expressing issues that seem to be caused by one individual (faintly disguised). I am quite certain that he did not address Canadian naivety. He was very statemanly about it all....and very well received. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Stone Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: It was a good and historically significant speech that demonstrated Carney’s ability and statesmanship. However, there are good reasons for the rise of populism and the cynicism about globalism and the elites who have pushed net zero and identity politics goals that the West can’t afford in a context of collapsing birth rates and other rising powers. Carney has to address Canada’s naivety in this environment. yeah, Justin is an idealist . Carney is a realist. 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 26 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: net zero and identity politics Net zero? Look at what China is doing in renewables. It is the future. And 'Identity Politics" shouldn't be necessary (A citizen is a citizen is a citizen) but right-wingers want to deny rights to some. 1 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 59 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Seems to me he did that by voicing how 'Middle Powers' can move ahead. There’s a cultural problem in Canada on the EDI and “post-colonialism” front. The Wall Street Journal mocked us in an article speculating that in the case of an invasion of Greenland, Canada’s main concern would be making sure representation of the Canadian military contribution is inclusive and diverse. Canada is the poster child of ridiculous progressive activism. We also shoot ourselves in the foot hating on our history and “colonial” founding peoples. We’re also outliers on MAID and hard drug permissiveness. Canada has become known as a place of reckless social experiments and excessive government programs supporting radical progressive causes. It’s embarrassing. This image needs to be shed asap. 2 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: I am not sure where you hear or see the "rise of populism and cynicism about globalism"? Are you implying the WEF is encouraging the collapse of birth rates? Or expecting "other rising powers"? What I heard is Carney addressing the current situation and expressing issues that seem to be caused by one individual (faintly disguised). I am quite certain that he did not address Canadian naivety. He was very statemanly about it all....and very well received. Canada isn’t in a vacuum. Until you understand what Trumpism is a reaction to, you won’t know the ways in which our federal government has been tone deaf. The Emergencies Act, the flag at half mast for 6 months over unproven claims of Indigenous graves (that the media also implied were murder victims), the hyper funding of LGBTQ and other identity politics programming, permissive MAID and hard drug use policy, Chinese interference in our elections, net zero carbon taxes and extreme environmental assessment (with consultation from the Elders) are emblematic of Canada’s excesses. The U.S. radical progressive left has been rejected by the American public. Canada’s media, Liberals, and much of our public seemed to have missed this important shift. Trump has stated and acted on an important repudiation of this kind of stupidity, because the Christian West is literally disappearing and being replaced by dubious forces such as identity politics and Chinese totalitarian capitalism. We need to get government’s priorities straight: Advance our economy and culture and its defence. Much else is fluff. Carney correctly identified Trump’s excesses, the risks of losing our rules based order, and the importance of middle powers becoming more resilient and united, but Canada has played its own role in making a mess that now requires major cleanup. Edited January 21 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada isn’t in a vacuum. Until you understand what Trumpism is a reaction to, you won’t know the ways in which our federal government has been tone deaf. The Emergencies Act, the flag at half mast for 6 months over unproven claims of Indigenous graves (that the media also implied were murder victims), the hyper funding of LGBTQ and other identity politics programming, permissive MAID and hard drug use policy, Chinese interference in our elections, net zero carbon taxes and extreme environmental assessment (with consultation from the Elders) are emblematic of Canada’s excesses. The U.S. radical progressive left has been rejected by the American public. Canada’s media, Liberals, and much of our public seemed to have missed this important shift. Trump has stated and acted on an important repudiation of this kind of stupidity, because the Christian West is literally disappearing and being replaced by dubious forces such as identity politics, Chinese totalitarian capitalism. We need to get government’s priorities straight: Advance our economy and culture and its defence. Much else is fluff. Never said Canada was in a vacuum and neither did Carney. As a matter of fact, he emphasized that it was not and Canada is fully aware of the new reality. I am not sure how you mean that we are tone deaf to Trumpism? Our PM is out there in the world drumming up business and making new and renewed trade partners as a result to Trumpian threats. You need to move on to today and the future as your personal biases seem to affect your reasoning and reality. No insult intended but your posts often relate to the past , political and religious expectations, MAID and drugs, as well as anti LGBTQ bias. As Carney said just yesterday in a speech and indicated he is advancing our economy and culture and defence. Edited January 21 by ExFlyer 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Never said Canada was in a vacuum and neither did Carney. As a matter of fact, he emphasized that it was not and Canada is fully aware of the new reality. I am not sure how you mean that we are tone deaf to Trumpism? Our PM is out there in the world drumming up business and making new and renewed trade partners as a result to Trumpian threats. You need to move on to today and the future as your personal biases seem to affect your reasoning and reality. No insult intended but your posts often relate to the past , political and religious expectations, MAID and drugs, as well as anti LGBTQ bias. As Carney said just yesterday in a speech and indicated he is advancing our economy and culture and defence. You don’t make the obvious connection between Canada’s cultural roots and our birth rates. Okay I’ll spell it out for you. If the Liberals and federal government keep pushing the kinds of lifestyles celebrated in Canada’s current cultural export, Heated Rivalry, and if we continue to promote trees that bare no fruit, MAID, abortion, and birth control, the only way Canada persists is through mass immigration. Most of those immigrants are Muslim or come from totalitarian China. Where does that leave Canada’s culture and way of life? Trump understands that basic fact. Christianity has served Western culture, even if you think it’s a cultural myth. Our progressivism is literally killing us through MAID, hard drugs, and lifestyle choices that are sinking our fertility and birth rates. Understanding this doesn’t make people southern Bible thumpers. Canada is currently the self-righteous snob ridiculing the traditions that made Canada strong. The result is we’re now in a precarious position. Soft power indeed. Edited January 21 by Zeitgeist 1 1 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You don’t make the obvious connection between Canada’s cultural roots and our birth rates. Okay I’ll spell it out for you. If the Liberals and federal government keep pushing the kinds of lifestyles celebrated in Canada’s current cultural export, Heated Rivalry, and if we continue to promote trees that bare no fruit, MAID, abortion, and birth control, the only way Canada persists is through mass immigration. Most of those immigrants are Muslim or come from totalitarian China. Where does that leave Canada’s culture and way of life? Trump understands that basic fact. Christianity has served Western culture, even if you think it’s a cultural myth. Our progressivism is literally killing us through MAID, hard drugs, and lifestyle choices that are sinking our fertility and birth rates. Understanding this doesn’t make people southern Bible thumpers. Canada is currently the self-righteous snob ridiculing the traditions that made Canada strong. The result is we’re now in a precarious position. Soft power indeed. No need to spell out anything. The topic is Carney Articulates The New World Order In Davos. I, and it seems many in the world, listened to his speech and agreed with what he had to say. The discussion centres around what is happening today what to do today and how he articulated what the threats are today. I realize you have an obsession with anti liberal, with non whites in Canada, with immigration, with MAID, with drug use,with birth control, with abortion, with bible thumpers et al but, the world is changing and Canada is hopefully changing with it. I am not sure who you are calling "self righteous snobs ridiculing the traditions" but I am aware that traditions are a changing thing with every new generation making new traditions. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Michael Hardner Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: the world is changing and Canada is hopefully changing with it.... No doubt. Women's rights, birth control and other factors are reducing fertility rates ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate Only 43% of ALL countries in the list have a fertility rate to grow population. Increasing production via birthing... no longer an option. Edited January 21 by Michael Hardner 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No need to spell out anything. The topic is Carney Articulates The New World Order In Davos. I, and it seems many in the world, listened to his speech and agreed with what he had to say. The discussion centres around what is happening today what to do today and how he articulated what the threats are today. I realize you have an obsession with anti liberal, with non whites in Canada, with immigration, with MAID, with drug use,with birth control, with abortion, with bible thumpers et al but, the world is changing and Canada is hopefully changing with it. I am not sure who you are calling "self righteous snobs ridiculing the traditions" but I am aware that traditions are a changing thing with every new generation making new traditions. Did I say non-whites even once? You’re doing exactly what MAGA rightly criticizes about the left wing media. You’re not appreciating the impact of culture, education, and media. Okay I’m going to ask you a question that I think we should all be asking ourselves as Canadians. Why should anyone listen to Canada? I don’t mean Carney’s speech, which basically identified Realpolitik. I mean, what does Canada stand for and why might it be a message worth hearing, one as good as or better than America’s, for example? Edited January 21 by Zeitgeist Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Just now, Zeitgeist said: Did I say non-whites even once? You’re doing exactly what MAGA rightly criticizes about the left wing media. You don’t understand the impact of culture, education, and media. Okay I’m going to ask you a question that I think we should all be asking ourselves as Canadians. Why should anyone listen to Canada? I don’t mean Carney’s speech, which basically identified Realpolitik. I mean, what does Canada stand for and why might it be a message worth hearing, one as good as or better than America’s, for example? Look, your numerous and continuous anti immigration stance kinda pigeon holes you. Well, Carney is PM and speaks on behalf of Canada. It seems his speeches that he has been giving around the world are very well received.... with the exception of to Trump "President Donald Trump gives Mark Carney a firm warning to be gratful for America, saying Carney's speech yesterday at the World Economic Forum didn't sound too grateful. President Trump warned Carney saying: "Canada lives because of the United States. Remember that Mark the next time you make your statements." Trump is not held in high regard in the world riot now...as opposed to Carney that is getting kudos form many world leaders. Seems , without naming Trump, he is getting the message across. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Zeitgeist Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Look, your numerous and continuous anti immigration stance kinda pigeon holes you. Well, Carney is PM and speaks on behalf of Canada. It seems his speeches that he has been giving around the world are very well received.... with the exception of to Trump "President Donald Trump gives Mark Carney a firm warning to be gratful for America, saying Carney's speech yesterday at the World Economic Forum didn't sound too grateful. President Trump warned Carney saying: "Canada lives because of the United States. Remember that Mark the next time you make your statements." Trump is not held in high regard in the world riot now...as opposed to Carney that is getting kudos form many world leaders. Seems , without naming Trump, he is getting the message across. No it’s completely fair and reasonable to question the cultural and political impacts of immigration, especially mass immigration, which is what we have to have to sustain our population. Associating that reality with racism is foolish, because a country that can’t control its immigration has no ability to maintain its people’s values and interests, which is the central role of the nation state, unless you’re a true internationalist who doesn’t believe in borders, but that kind of global state is not widely supported now. Carney’s speech was about using the rules based order and strategic partnerships to protect the sovereignty of countries. Countries have peoples, cultures and values. The purpose of the nation state is to advance the cultural and economic interests of the people in the nation state. Edited January 21 by Zeitgeist 2 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No it’s completely fair and reasonable to question the cultural and political impacts of immigration, especially mass immigration, which is what we have to have to sustain our population. Associating that reality with racism is foolish, because a country that can’t control its immigration has no ability to maintain its people’s values and interests, which is the central role of the nation state, unless you’re a true internationalist who doesn’t believe in borders, but that kind of global state is not widely supported now. Carney’s speech was about using the rules based order and strategic partnerships to protect the sovereignty of countries. Countries have peoples, cultures and values. The purpose of the nation state is to advance the cultural and economic interests of the people in the nation state. OK. 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
cougar Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: This was a very brilliant speech in which Carney demonstrated command. I have to admit that it was a courageous call to action, but I hope Canadians and our leaders do some soul-searching as to how we let our plight get to this point. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtF630gnvZQ Yes, he looked good and sounded measured but some of what he said wasn't really the truth. He spoke of Canadian success and what we have built and on and on, but much of that has been actually degraded over the past two decades. But then the rest were also embellishing or misrepresenting the truth, including the Chinese. Looks like Trump did a monetary transaction by bringing the markets down, then up again and now he may invade Greenland to bring them down again. Quote
John Stone Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 The uncertainty over Greenland persists ........nothing settled. President Trump has tested the water so to speak - he remains undaunted. ............ the uncertainty hangs over Greenland ... NATO ...........Europe like the Sword of Damocles. Ditto Kanada. Quote
eyeball Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: It was a good and historically significant speech that demonstrated Carney’s ability and statesmanship. However, there are good reasons for the rise of populism and the cynicism about globalism and the elites who have pushed net zero and identity politics goals that the West can’t afford in a context of collapsing birth rates and other rising powers. Carney has to address Canada’s naivety in this environment. The best reason for globalism is the moral panic, incessant whining and litany of grievances of populists. The last thing Carney needs to do is cater or cave to them. And as far as naivete and the environment go...a declining human population, or at least one with a smaller lighter footprint, is precisely what the world needs. What's rising amongst other powers is more of same sort of angst fuelling populism here. Take China for example. Death of a superpower: is China facing a decade of decline? For the first time in 60 years, China’s population has fallen – leading to concerns about its superpower status Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Nationalist Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 3 hours ago, Barquentine said: Net zero? Look at what China is doing in renewables. It is the future. And 'Identity Politics" shouldn't be necessary (A citizen is a citizen is a citizen) but right-wingers want to deny rights to some. Ya. NON-citizens. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: The best reason for globalism is the moral panic, incessant whining and litany of grievances of populists. The last thing Carney needs to do is cater or cave to them. And as far as naivete and the environment go...a declining human population, or at least one with a smaller lighter footprint, is precisely what the world needs. This is a monstrous idea to me. Tasteless. Truly fascist. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 The Prime Minister’s polished Davos speech wasn’t a call to truth — it was a sermon in deception, repackaging contradictions as a global vision. I listened with genuine interest to Prime Minister Carney’s speech at Davos. It was, by any technical measure, one of his better performances. Polished, confident, impeccably delivered. If one were unfamiliar with the actual state of affairs, if one were blissfully ignorant of the realities beneath what he calls the “rupture” in international relations, the speech might have appeared a beacon of hope in dark times. And therein lies the problem. One must either be ignorant of the facts or willing to live a lie. The rest here...Yes the Western Standard, don't let your heads explode. https://www.westernstandard.news/opinion/albers-mark-carneys-wef-delusion-naming-the-great-lie-behind-the-new-world-order/70547 1 Quote
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