Zeitgeist Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 (edited) 6 hours ago, Army Guy said: Which one is it, are we goin to be is the US going to be our largest trading partner, or are we going to diversify.....and if we continue,o why do we need to continue with slandering Trump( knowing how he is going to react) ....it's like Yes we know what side the bread is buttered on, but we are still going to poke and poke until we get a reaction....Then it is surprise MF here is your tariffs, and then we respond like it is a surprise...and act like what is that for... For all you guys that seem to have forgotten this is trump 2.0, we already know what he is like , what drives him, what he likes and does not like...or maybe our memories are just gone....or we are stupid, and love to see how he reacts, either way we deserve what is coming to us....Not because i love the Good old USA, but rather we are acting like a bunch of kindergarten kids...and then surprised when we get treated as such... Where has it gotten us today, do we have a trade deal, has our relationship with the US increased....for a guy that sold himself to Canadians as the guy to get the deal, the one sent from god to deal with trump, HE has failed....AND Canadians are thumping their chest....ready to support Carney ...whom has delivered zero so far....Trump is not even in the top 5 concerns for Canadians ....but the liberal machine will change that come the next election....and because we are SOOOO smart the liberals have a fighting chance to win another election.... Carney hasn’t “slandered Trump”. That’s the definition of gaslighting. Trump called Carney governor the other day. Stop applying double standards wherein the bigger and more powerful get to treat the less powerful like shit and the less powerful should be grateful for whatever they have. Most people outside the U.S. aren’t going to embrace that arrangement. Though it’s easier and has benefited both the U.S. and Canada to trade more with each other than other countries, if the price of maintaining that trade is abuse, we’ll pay the additional freight to ship farther afield. At a certain point in a dysfunctional marriage, it’s simply more worthwhile to leave the abuser and give up the financial comforts. Eventually people do find new partners or settle into a more independent lifestyle. Canadians can travel and buy goods elsewhere. They can find new places to sell goods. Business may not be as good but there’s something to be said for no longer being dependent on an abuser. I’m being a bit dramatic here to make a point. I don’t think the majority of Americans want the U.S. to coerce or threaten to take over other countries. I think most Americans want a mutually beneficial relationship with Canada. Trump is one guy. He’s got many followers, but my guess is that they’re not going to be the dominant political force too much longer. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prepare ourselves and have our Plan B ready to go. The trick for Canada right now is to do all the things to make ourselves less vulnerable to economic and military coercion but focus first on the projects that benefit us economically whether or not our trade volumes with the U.S. significantly shift. I think that’s what’s happening generally. The U.S. had a legitimate beef with us on NATO contributions, so those contributions are increasing. As you know, all of these procurements take time, and we have to be more careful to make sure we’re not dependent on suppliers who can pull the plug on our armaments if their country of origin doesn’t like our policies or decides we’re on the menu. Edited January 29 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 14 hours ago, I am Groot said: So we're paying much more for less land, and shittier houses that are taxed much more. Depends where you are and; Don't buy a shitty house! Get it inspected. !950s houses - no vapour barrier, little insulation, 60 amp services, wood single pane windows - you want to go back to that? Quote
Barquentine Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Look at the state of the middle class, 1965 to present. Ok, let's take a drive through the suburbs. Look at the size of those houses, how many cars in the drive, how many speedboats, pools... Let's go inside. How many rooms, bathrooms, tvs, A/C, etc... How many vacations in Mexico, pre-cooked meals, on-line shopping (Instant gratification takes too long), kids with $1000 Iphones... How much access to Credit... Of course there's unemployment, people trying to keep their head above water, etc... But it's always been like that. It waxes and wanes... Nostalgia's fine but how many people would actually want to go back? And of course, the widening wealth gap isn't helping, but that's not because the middle class is failing. It's because so much of what the 1% have is not taxed fairly. We tax money, not people, and a lot of capital is not being taxed. And I'm wondering what AI is going to do to allieviate or exacerbate problems. Edited January 29 by Barquentine grammar Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 20 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: North American expectations have become unreasonable. We may mock tv commercials but we absorb the deeper message that we can have everything we want right now. This is a contributor to many problems we have on both sides of the border - deficits, housing, opioids. We live for today and way beyond our means. Instead of sorting out Europe, let’s fix ourselves first. I think Canadians have come to realize what position we hold in the world and what to expect. We had been "protected" by our association with the US but now understand we are really on our own. I am unsure of your comment about sorting out Europe? If anything, our government is looking to Europe for more trade partnerships, not sure if that is sorting out Europe. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Ok, let's take a drive through the suburbs. Look at the size of those houses, how many cars in the drive, how many speedboats, pools... Let's go inside. How many rooms, bathrooms, tvs, A/C, etc... How many vacations in Mexico, pre-cooked meals, on-line shopping (Instant gratification takes too long), kids with $1000 Iphones... How much access to Credit... Of course there's unemployment, people trying to keep their head above water, etc... But it's always been like that. It waxes and wanes... Nostalgia's fine but how many people would actually want to go back? And of course, the widening wealth gap isn't helping, but that's not because the middle class is failing. It's because so much of what the 1% have is not taxed fairly. We tax money, not people, and a lot of capital is not being taxed. And I'm wondering what AI is going to do to allieviate or exacerbate problems. When I bought a house in Edmonton in 1981, I was living on a Military base in married quarters. The person across the street asked me how I could afford to buy a house. In their driveway were 2 cars, a truck with a camper on the back and a boat. I just told him I saved my money for a down payment. 50+ years later you called it and we are still seeing the same thing. people have different priorities and then complain about the situation they are in. Actually, the 1% are being taxed same as you. They just hire accountants and specialists and move their assets around. You can do exactly the same as they do. Not sure what AI will do for people that decide to fulfill their desires as opposed to their lives? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Barquentine Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Actually, the 1% are being taxed same as you. They just hire accountants and specialists and move their assets around. You can do exactly the same as they do. Yeah, I'll call my lawyer right away, have him put most of my assets in a tax haven country. Oh, wait: most of my assets are my small house... Anyway he'd have to wait 'til my CPP comes in next month to get paid... Any other ideas? Quote
ExFlyer Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, I'll call my lawyer right away, have him put most of my assets in a tax haven country. Oh, wait: most of my assets are my small house... Anyway he'd have to wait 'til my CPP comes in next month to get paid... Any other ideas? I get your sentiment but, complaining about things other do and you do not is a bit foolish What others make has never once concerned me. I always knew why and for what I was being paid. I had opportunities and never took them and am OK with my decisions. Seems you are not? Who is "he"? Getting paid for what? Ideas about what?? I only tried to put things in perspective. Complaining about the people wealthier than you gets you zero. They got there because of what they did and the fact you are not on their level is...well, there must be reasons. Edited January 29 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 16 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Careful! You’re not allowed to say “new world order” apparently and also you’re a liar because while carney speech was about a new world order he didn’t say “lNew World Order”. Or so says @CdnFox Awww kid... you're STILL butthurt over losing that debate?!?! LOL Honestly I didn't expect to cause you emotional harm over it 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
I am Groot Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 13 hours ago, Barquentine said: Depends where you are and; Don't buy a shitty house! Get it inspected. !950s houses - no vapour barrier, little insulation, 60 amp services, wood single pane windows - you want to go back to that? Yes. I lived in one for a decade. Very strongly built. Brick walls. Reinforced plaster walls inside. Well bult by people who knew what they were doing and took pride in their work. I'm now in a newly-built home. It has more room, higher ceilings, bigger windows, and the walls are made of plywood or OSB with vinyl siding. You could put a hammer through it. No mesh-reinforced plaster on the inside, either, just drywall. I've watched them built since I moved in here, watched how fast they put up the framing and then slap plywood across it followed by shingles directly to the plywood. And yes, I had a home inspection, and a lot of changes made. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 13 hours ago, Barquentine said: Nostalgia's fine but how many people would actually want to go back? I would. 13 hours ago, Barquentine said: And of course, the widening wealth gap isn't helping, but that's not because the middle class is failing. It's because so much of what the 1% have is not taxed fairly. We tax money, not people, and a lot of capital is not being taxed. Because we elect the Laurentian Elites, like the current PM, who rob us blind. 13 hours ago, Barquentine said: And I'm wondering what AI is going to do to allieviate or exacerbate problems. Just for starters, it's going to make an awful lot of jobs go away. And many of those jobs are occupied by 'new Canadians' who are going to start getting angry. And since they didn't integrate (since we told them not to) they'll start getting violent just like the people in their homelands do when angry, rather than sit at home in sad acceptance like Canadians. We are creating what will become a permanent underclass even as we build up debt and hollow out our economy in pursuit of a hopeless net-zero goal that is essentially meaningless anyway. When we run out of funds to pay their welfare and child benefits, things are going to start getting nasty. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 36 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Because we elect the Laurentian Elites, like the current PM, who rob us blind. So vote NDP. Conservatives will just pity the 1% and quail and seeth in moral panic at the thought of taxing them. They might leave and take their crumbs with them after all. ...sob.... Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Zeitgeist Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 The latest tariff on Bombardier planes (it’s getting hard to keep track) is another coercive move. My suggestion: Let Trump follow through and decertify all these planes. Only a few major American airlines won’t be able to fly hundreds of their planes. Delta will probably go out of business. Let Trump do it. Don’t even discuss the matter. Sell Bombardier elsewhere than the U.S. and don’t buy more F-35’s. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Carney hasn’t “slandered Trump”. That’s the definition of gaslighting. Trump called Carney governor the other day. Stop applying double standards wherein the bigger and more powerful get to treat the less powerful like shit and the less powerful should be grateful for whatever they have. Most people outside the U.S. aren’t going to embrace that arrangement. Though it’s easier and has benefited both the U.S. and Canada to trade more with each other than other countries, if the price of maintaining that trade is abuse, we’ll pay the additional freight to ship farther afield. At a certain point in a dysfunctional marriage, it’s simply more worthwhile to leave the abuser and give up the financial comforts. Eventually people do find new partners or settle into a more independent lifestyle. Canadians can travel and buy goods elsewhere. They can find new places to sell goods. Business may not be as good but there’s something to be said for no longer being dependent on an abuser. I’m being a bit dramatic here to make a point. I don’t think the majority of Americans want the U.S. to coerce or threaten to take over other countries. I think most Americans want a mutually beneficial relationship with Canada. Trump is one guy. He’s got many followers, but my guess is that they’re not going to be the dominant political force too much longer. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prepare ourselves and have our Plan B ready to go. The trick for Canada right now is to do all the things to make ourselves less vulnerable to economic and military coercion but focus first on the projects that benefit us economically whether or not our trade volumes with the U.S. significantly shift. I think that’s what’s happening generally. The U.S. had a legitimate beef with us on NATO contributions, so those contributions are increasing. As you know, all of these procurements take time, and we have to be more careful to make sure we’re not dependent on suppliers who can pull the plug on our armaments if their country of origin doesn’t like our policies or decides we’re on the menu. Well according to Trump and his staff they did not see Carneys speech as very flattering....There is no double standard....the governor thing came after Carneys little talk....and besides that the US does not need a deal with Canada....Canada need that deal much more.... and when your a super power you can talk any way you want...I mean really what is Canada going to do....rally our allieds.....Britain has already said which side they are on, and it is not Carneys....and if Britain won't come to our aid who will...We are alone in this fight, and Carney speech's are not doing us any favors....Is this the new Canadian way to negotiate start with a little slander, start talking about you behind their backs and then think we are going to get a good deal.....THIS is trumps second term....IF Canadians have not learned by now what trump is like then really there is no hope....we will screw all of it up because of what pride...I really don't know how we as a nation have lasted this long....i mean we even the provinces can't get along...they will not swallow their pride to help out fellow Canadians....if if we can't get along how are we to get along with our southern neighbors... We will never be free from Trade with the US....why is that so hard to understand...it will take decades to find new trading partners to fill the gap...But most are willing to throw all of that away....for no more than pride... Name me one country that would not pull the plug if need be on our armaments if they decided they did not like Canada's policies....There is always an excuse for Canada not living up to its responsibilities....US presidents have been trying for decades to politely ask us to get our sh!t in a pile ....And now that trump is more or less demanding it, we are mad....and pouting in a corner ....this is not the first time someone from Canada has used the media to slag the US....They are tired of paying all the bills, it is time we stood up and owned that.....telling the media your going to fix it and actually fixing it are two very different things....Sorry heard the same line for 34 years while i was serving...you'll have to forgive me if I'm skeptical....ANY conflict we get into will be on the Americans side...Canada does not , or better yet can't get into anything on it's own, and neither does Europe....Knowing that why would you buy second rate equipment for our men and women , because most Canadians who have this lip on, will never step into any of that equipment because of their hatred of trump......It makes no sense... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 31 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The latest tariff on Bombardier planes (it’s getting hard to keep track) is another coercive move. My suggestion: Let Trump follow through and decertify all these planes. Only a few major American airlines won’t be able to fly hundreds of their planes. Delta will probably go out of business. Let Trump do it. Don’t even discuss the matter. Sell Bombardier elsewhere than the U.S. and don’t buy more F-35’s. DO you not think Bombardier has not tried that already.....as for the F-35 sure....you guys are not going to be happy unless we are flying paper airplanes.. which are meant to keep Canadian pilots alive , not because you don't like their president....which will be gone , turned to dust before Canada gets around to replacing those aircraft which will be here for 40 plus years....if our history shows us anything.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Zeitgeist Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: DO you not think Bombardier has not tried that already.....as for the F-35 sure....you guys are not going to be happy unless we are flying paper airplanes.. which are meant to keep Canadian pilots alive , not because you don't like their president....which will be gone , turned to dust before Canada gets around to replacing those aircraft which will be here for 40 plus years....if our history shows us anything.... In fairness, I don’t know why Canada didn’t certify planes from this U.S. company. Was it purely on protectionist grounds? Are we giving an unfair advantage to Bombardier by applying different standards to them? We don’t know because we don’t know the regulations or the planes in detail. I would simply say that it’s not worth trying to make a deal when the options on offer are extortionate. Canada may be better off taking the tariff hit, because the blowback for US supply chains, companies, and consumers is very significant from these tariffs. This is definitely the case for tariffs on potash, aluminum, and softwood lumber, because the Americans don’t have affordable American substitutes for these items. It means that the cost of manufacturing, farming, and building go up for Americans with no real economic upside. We’re being told to buy F-35’s because there’s no better alternative. We’ve basically been going along with that plan, but slamming the door on Bombardier planes to the U.S. market looks coercive and could destroy that industry in Canada. It’s a big squeeze, so why should we be procuring US aircraft? Edited January 30 by Zeitgeist Quote
Barquentine Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What others make has never once concerned me. I always knew why and for what I was being paid. I had opportunities and never took them and am OK with my decisions. Seems you are not? I totally agree with that and I don't cry over missed opportunities, etc... I never said anything to the contrary. 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Who is "he"? Getting paid for what? My lawyer, duh. Read the post. 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Complaining about the people wealthier than you gets you zero Who's complaining? Just stating the facts as I see them. 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: They got there because of what they did Some. Many because of what they were born into, whether money or family. 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 18 hours ago, eyeball said: So vote NDP. Conservatives will just pity the 1% and quail and seeth in moral panic at the thought of taxing them. They might leave and take their crumbs with them after all. ...sob.... If my primary consideration was the well-being of Islamic terrorists, I would vote NDP. However, I am sane. (mostly). 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, I am Groot said: If my primary consideration was the well-being of Islamic terrorists, I would vote NDP. However, I am sane. (mostly). No, you'd have to be completely nuts to think the NDP's primary consideration is the well-being of Islamic terrorists. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: In fairness, I don’t know why Canada didn’t certify planes from this U.S. company. Was it purely on protectionist grounds? Are we giving an unfair advantage to Bombardier by applying different standards to them? We don’t know because we don’t know the regulations or the planes in detail. I would simply say that it’s not worth trying to make a deal when the options on offer are extortionate. Canada may be better off taking the tariff hit, because the blowback for US supply chains, companies, and consumers is very significant from these tariffs. This is definitely the case for tariffs on potash, aluminum, and softwood lumber, because the Americans don’t have affordable American substitutes for these items. It means that the cost of manufacturing, farming, and building go up for Americans with no real economic upside. We’re being told to buy F-35’s because there’s no better alternative. We’ve basically been going along with that plan, but slamming the door on Bombardier planes to the U.S. market looks coercive and could destroy that industry in Canada. It’s a big squeeze, so why should we be procuring US aircraft? Trump is going to keep on placing tariffs on Canadian products as long as Carney and his government play games in the media...Trump can do all of this all day, every day....so now we know the consequences....and the cause, why can't we figure out how to get a deal...without the dirty laundry....Or maybe we just grin and bear it until there is 100 % tariffs on everything....and we lose more industry and jobs....because we are either to stupid or our pride is in the way.... Trump is willing to suffer short term pain to get long term gains.... To answer your question , because right now they are the best in the market....want to fly grippen a gen 4 aircraft might as well keep our current F-18...or buy the expensive euro aircraft....or invest in the new Gen 6 euro aircraft plenty of new projects that are yielding results today.. There is none at the moment, at least of Gen 5 aircraft...lets not forget we have a historical record of doing this every 40 years or so....which negates most of the reason of building them here, in 5 to 7 years when production is finished, what happens to that investment....Not many people are buying Grippens....by that time a new gen 6 will be out... The Eurofighter or Dassault Rafale are 4.5 gen fighters, light years ahead of the grippen... but have a hefty price tag...funny how no one is mentioning those fighters.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Trump is willing to suffer short term pain to get long term gains... Failing an outright coup d'état or blowing up the world he's running out of cards and time. He's got a real cliff up ahead of him with midterms coming. Don't forget every tariff on us is also a consumption tax on Americans who have lost patience suffering him any longer. Three more years? It'll be more like 3 - 10 months or less. Then he'll be off to the golf course for the rest of his term. If Americans can tough it out we can too. There's going to be a big bounce of economic optimism once he's gone that'll make the post COVID bounce look like a blip. Edited January 31 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
I am Groot Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 3 hours ago, eyeball said: No, you'd have to be completely nuts to think the NDP's primary consideration is the well-being of Islamic terrorists. Maybe I got confused because that's all they ever talk about. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
eyeball Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: Maybe I got confused because that's all they ever talk about. Naw, that just all you ever hear. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCanMan Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 On 1/29/2026 at 2:23 AM, Zeitgeist said: Carney hasn’t “slandered Trump”. That’s the definition of gaslighting. Trump called Carney governor the other day. Just because Carney got his feelings hurt by Trump doesn't mean that he can say anything that he wants about Trump and "it's not slander". Are you kidding right now? Slandering Trump has been a daily occurrence from our MSM and our PM's going back to the day that Trump started running for his first term. If you think that "governor Carney" was the start of it you're sadly mistaken. We deserve everything that we've already gotten and more. If it was just the US that didn't like us, that would be one thing, but our relationship with India went south before our relationship with the US did. Canada's international reputation has been in a nose dive for over a decade now. Remember when Iran reiterated Trudeau's accusation that Canada committed genocide against the 1st nations people? Yeah, that's where our reputation is right now. I couldn't care less if western Canada joins the US or separates, but we need to leave the idea of what was Canada in the dust. This is a shithole country now. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Zeitgeist Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 (edited) 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: Trump is going to keep on placing tariffs on Canadian products as long as Carney and his government play games in the media...Trump can do all of this all day, every day....so now we know the consequences....and the cause, why can't we figure out how to get a deal...without the dirty laundry....Or maybe we just grin and bear it until there is 100 % tariffs on everything....and we lose more industry and jobs....because we are either to stupid or our pride is in the way.... Trump is willing to suffer short term pain to get long term gains.... To answer your question , because right now they are the best in the market....want to fly grippen a gen 4 aircraft might as well keep our current F-18...or buy the expensive euro aircraft....or invest in the new Gen 6 euro aircraft plenty of new projects that are yielding results today.. There is none at the moment, at least of Gen 5 aircraft...lets not forget we have a historical record of doing this every 40 years or so....which negates most of the reason of building them here, in 5 to 7 years when production is finished, what happens to that investment....Not many people are buying Grippens....by that time a new gen 6 will be out... The Eurofighter or Dassault Rafale are 4.5 gen fighters, light years ahead of the grippen... but have a hefty price tag...funny how no one is mentioning those fighters.... So look, I agree that we need the best military gear, and I’m pleased at what’s happening with the navy River Class destroyer and corvette plans, supported by decent coast guard ice breakers. This is good long term planning. The subs even sound quite capable. I would’ve preferred nuclear at first glance, but I don’t know enough about these technologies to speak with authority. I don’t think Carney is playing games in the media, however. Trump is imposting measures and threatening further measures that are seriously damaging to our economy. They must be confronted honestly and decisively. Cowering hasn’t worked. Carney backed off of reciprocal tariffs and it got us nothing. We need new strategic partnerships, and whatever I might think about some of Carney’s net zero extremism, he’s no dummy when it comes to macro economics and international trade. He has leverage internationally that must be drawn upon right now. As you know, we don’t have the military leverage. Our economic leverage against the U.S. is actually significant, but we’re more impacted by Trump’s tariffs than the Americans are by ours. Trump knows this. Calling Carney governor just adds insult to injury. It’s the kind of reckless language that damages foreign relations and trade in significant ways. It’s actually unpresidential and it’s sad that the Republican Party can’t make him accountable for mistakes. Too much power is centralized in the hands of one politician. U.S. democracy and international stability are paying the price. Edited January 31 by Zeitgeist Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 (edited) 11 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Just because Carney got his feelings hurt by Trump doesn't mean that he can say anything that he wants about Trump and "it's not slander". Are you kidding right now? Slandering Trump has been a daily occurrence from our MSM and our PM's going back to the day that Trump started running for his first term. If you think that "governor Carney" was the start of it you're sadly mistaken. We deserve everything that we've already gotten and more. If it was just the US that didn't like us, that would be one thing, but our relationship with India went south before our relationship with the US did. Canada's international reputation has been in a nose dive for over a decade now. Remember when Iran reiterated Trudeau's accusation that Canada committed genocide against the 1st nations people? Yeah, that's where our reputation is right now. I couldn't care less if western Canada joins the US or separates, but we need to leave the idea of what was Canada in the dust. This is a shithole country now. C’mon, you don’t throw away all that we’ve achieved and built in Canada just because of Trudeau’s governments. I agree that 2015-2025 was a lost decade for Canada. J Trudeau was the worst PM in my lifetime, probably in the history of Canada, but we had a very well-run, thriving country under Harper, better functioning than the U.S., and for about half of his leadership we were wealthier than Americans. Canada can correct course. Carney has to drop the woke-green nonsense of the Trudeau era, and I think Trump has helped Canadians and our main political parties get serious about what we need to do to be stronger and more resilient. However, the US is self-interested like most countries, especially under Trump. Don’t think for a second that acquiring the West has anything to do with empowering westerners. It’s all about resources and advancing US interests. Messing around with separatism is no laughing matter for Canada. It could literally destroy our economy and sovereignty. I have no problem with discussions of economic union with the U.S. it’s probably where we need to end up, but only if it’s chosen by Canadians and we have enough independence in our defence and institutions to lift the drawbridge if the Americans suddenly become coercive. If Canadians freely chose to become integrated within the U.S., that would be fine too, but that’s not what we’re seeing. Some Trump Republicans are encouraging separatism in Canada, doing everything the rest of Canada feared when Quebecers threatened separation. It’s undermining to our sovereignty and democracy. You can’t have it both ways: Either you’re all in supporting Canada’s sovereign self-determination as a free democratic independent country or you’re not. Albertan separatists need to see their move in those terms as well. Being part of Canada isn’t just about getting what you want all the time, it’s about understanding that a certain amount of give and take allows the country to combine for a common purpose that’s greater than the sum of its parts. If that’s forgotten to make a few extra bucks in one province by selling out the country to a foreign power, well, that’s about as close to the definition of traitor that I can think of. Albertans will decide their future like citizens of any province can. I’d like to think that most of them will value and honour remaining in and supporting Canada. I sympathize with the feelings of Western alienation, and I do think our federal government lost its way. We’ve talked about this in depth in terms of regulations on resource development, the Emergencies Act, the whole shaming of Canada as “settler colonial” under the Trudeau activists who kept growing government and trying to tell us how we should think and live. Their vision was destructive, especially in this era of falling birth rates. The only answer is to fix the country, because if we do ever seek greater integration with the U.S., we want to do it from a position of strength. I think Alberta would be quite vulnerable to more coercion if it was on its own. Canada would be weakened as well. The U.S. will keep advancing its interests. So should Canada. Most of our interests overlap anyway. Our sovereignty is no threat to the U.S. We’re an important check on Trump’s excesses. The U.S. is a check on our excesses. Edited January 31 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
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