Army Guy Posted January 25 Report Posted January 25 12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Truth is, Trump tries to screw over Canada whether or not we make a deal with China, so make the deal and many others. Yeah the Canadian PM must be able to say whatever the fck he wants about anyone like any other citizen. It’s a free country that has free speech. What’s the point of having a country if we can’t live our lives the way we want to? That’s the point of a military, to defend those democratic values. Who cares what Trump or any King or Emperor thinks ? The head of state is not God and must not be treated as such. We are all individuals of equal value before God, prince and pauper the same. Carney has his issues but he’s our PM and we have to respect and defend that office as Canadians. We elected him. Speaking out at Davos was an important line in the sand that needed to be drawn, and Carney, a Canadian PM, was the one that drew it. I’ll grant him that great moment of statesmanship. What gets done as a result of these world debates only time will tell. Trump is not stopping Canada from doing anything....like everything, trump is saying there will be consequences... Yes we have free speech, but it has limits and consequences...someone could call your wife a slu!, because everyone has free speech , does not mean there is no consequences to those words...Trump has given us a warning, and I'm sure they already had a conversation to explain the consequences in detail.... You can't ignor all those other duties as a nation the federal government has like making sure we can defend the nation, and service our sovereignty, that we can respond to emergencies, that we abide by the rule of law, and have the means to uphold those laws Our nation has come up short, we were once a middle power, today we think we are a middle power but in reality some third world nations are able to protect themself better than we do.... My point is this if you can't lead your nation and provide all of these basic principles, they expect to be told what to do...And by just pi$$ing off whom ever you want, then expect to face the consequences, and in this case it is tariffs... Sorry, but God is not going to protect us from the worlds largest economy and military power...hence why diplomacy was created....to find a way to compromise...Now as you say Carney is a man of free will and can say what ever he wants... that's not diplomacy, that's him acting like an individual. When he speaks in a public forum he is required to speak as a diplomat/ politician...not an individual... What you and others think is some great form of statementship, in my opinion was reckless, knowing what we know about trump and what he responds to or makes him angry....to add to all of that what did this speech give Canada ? other than a reprimand for trump, and his people....has it given us a trade deal with the US, are we closer to getting one, Is our deal with China which is only 3.9 % of all exports...worth the risk of tariffs from our largest trading partner worth well over 69.3 % of all our exports..... With CUSMA coming up for review, is it to our benefit to poke trump are we getting a better deal by doing so....or are we risking not having a CUSMA at all.... We are the mouse that lives next to the elephant, diplomacy is all we have to deal with trump and his crew...right now we are acting like that toy poodle , being all yaky yaky yak....not making any friends, and acting like we are something special....when we have not shown the world we are anything except dependent on the States... And if you think all of this chest thumping, is worth it, then fine, but we should be prepared for the consequences...or learn to STFU and start listening more... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Zeitgeist Posted January 25 Author Report Posted January 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Trump is not stopping Canada from doing anything....like everything, trump is saying there will be consequences... Yes we have free speech, but it has limits and consequences...someone could call your wife a slu!, because everyone has free speech , does not mean there is no consequences to those words...Trump has given us a warning, and I'm sure they already had a conversation to explain the consequences in detail.... You can't ignor all those other duties as a nation the federal government has like making sure we can defend the nation, and service our sovereignty, that we can respond to emergencies, that we abide by the rule of law, and have the means to uphold those laws Our nation has come up short, we were once a middle power, today we think we are a middle power but in reality some third world nations are able to protect themself better than we do.... My point is this if you can't lead your nation and provide all of these basic principles, they expect to be told what to do...And by just pi$$ing off whom ever you want, then expect to face the consequences, and in this case it is tariffs... Sorry, but God is not going to protect us from the worlds largest economy and military power...hence why diplomacy was created....to find a way to compromise...Now as you say Carney is a man of free will and can say what ever he wants... that's not diplomacy, that's him acting like an individual. When he speaks in a public forum he is required to speak as a diplomat/ politician...not an individual... What you and others think is some great form of statementship, in my opinion was reckless, knowing what we know about trump and what he responds to or makes him angry....to add to all of that what did this speech give Canada ? other than a reprimand for trump, and his people....has it given us a trade deal with the US, are we closer to getting one, Is our deal with China which is only 3.9 % of all exports...worth the risk of tariffs from our largest trading partner worth well over 69.3 % of all our exports..... With CUSMA coming up for review, is it to our benefit to poke trump are we getting a better deal by doing so....or are we risking not having a CUSMA at all.... We are the mouse that lives next to the elephant, diplomacy is all we have to deal with trump and his crew...right now we are acting like that toy poodle , being all yaky yaky yak....not making any friends, and acting like we are something special....when we have not shown the world we are anything except dependent on the States... And if you think all of this chest thumping, is worth it, then fine, but we should be prepared for the consequences...or learn to STFU and start listening more... What thumping? Carney described reality and stated a fact: If you simply cave into a coercive power, the coercion will continue because it’s proven effective. Canada hasn’t done a free trade deal with China. We haven’t done anything comprehensive. This was a very specific adjustment to our tariffs on some specific items in order to prevent our farmers, especially out west, from going out of business. This isn’t about poking bears or anything but protecting our economy. Trump blessed our deal making until his mood changed and he sounded off on social media. Carney wasn’t being frivolous or provocative in his speech. He was playing an important role as a PM of Canada and a voice on the international political stage. In fact, the world is worse off without someone stepping up and describing the conditions of coercion and the importance of countries protecting themselves from it. Canadians, Europeans, and the citizens of many other Western countries have been gaslighted for too long. Yes we had to step it up on NATO. That isn’t a license to take Greenland and autocratically attempt to impose tariffs on countries that don’t support the invasion of a sovereign ally. Silence would’ve been cowardice. The U.S. is an important trade partner and ally. It is not our master and we are not its slaves. No matter how you slice it, you can expect that CUSMA will be another attempt to fleece countries. I don’t think we should rush to negotiate anything. Much is in play within the U.S. with regard to ICE, the pending Supreme Court decision on tariffs, and internal disagreement on what should be done in Venezuela, the Greenland gambit, and other messes. They’ve got their hands full dealing with an unhinged president. We just have to be sensible. Generally, so far, so good. Edited January 25 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 20 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Oh, and enough deterrent nuclear arms to destroy all enemies once. You only need to be able to do it once over. I envision drones along the border backed by satellite weapon systems, missiles and aircraft, nuclear subs in the Arctic, etc. What we need is a Death Star or 2. Destroy our enemies from space. 20 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: At 60 million people, Canada would have a large enough market to produce just about everything in every sector ..... I think that’s the sweet spot for Canada: big enough but not too big. Ok. Let's split the difference at 80 million. And I'll throw in a free cheese grater! 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 8:35 AM, Barquentine said: Except NOBODY can negotiate with a m0ronic toddler. Post-Trump some normalcy will return. Of course the US will always be our biggest trade partner. That's no reason for us not to diversify. Uhm, EVERYONE else has managed to negotiate with him and get a deal. There's no reason for us to not try to diversify. But there's every reason to stabilize our trade relationship with the US at the same time. And increasing our exports by any significant amount would require major improvements and expansions to our port facilities as well as new pipelines. And none of that is even in the planning stages. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 8:25 AM, Barquentine said: Very little culture clash in Canada. It's mostly an imaginary problem conjured up by the right to inflame their base. There's less of it than there is in Europe, but it is growing fast as the Liberals continue to pour in great masses of third-world people, many with few skills and with social values completely opposed to our own. On 1/25/2026 at 8:25 AM, Barquentine said: No. Immigrants have more kids. It's an inverse correlation. Richer countries have lower birth rates. We are no longer a rich country. And the huge masses of foreigners are making it hard to live here given the strain they put on our infrastructure, and the way they increase housing costs and decrease wages. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Barquentine Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 1 minute ago, I am Groot said: EVERYONE else has managed to negotiate with him and get a deal. Ther's a big difference between MOUs and trade deals. Trump just threatened South Korea for not passing their MOU in parliament. And all those MOUs came with higher tariffs. 2 minutes ago, I am Groot said: We are no longer a rich country. Total BULLSH!T! 1 Quote
Barquentine Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, I am Groot said: And the huge masses of foreigners are making it hard to live here given the strain they put on our infrastructure, and the way they increase housing costs and decrease wages. Yeah, Blah Blah Blah... I remember people saying the same thing when I was kid. And I'm an old geezer. "In 1970, the average income of a census family was $9,600." "In 2024, average household income around $106,300." Damn immigrants! 1 Quote
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 5:44 PM, Zeitgeist said: They’ve got their hands full dealing with an unhinged president. We just have to be sensible. Generally, so far, so good. I wouldn't be that generous with Carney's performance so far. I would concede that he has been very successful in using Donald Trump as a distraction from more pressing issues. Grocery prices are still climbing and affordability is a serious problem for millions of Canadians. The cost of living here should get more attention than the boogeyman in the US. Our problems here are largely self inflicted and not the fault of Trump. I suppose I can't blame the Liberals for this tactic of using Trump since it's been so effective and it will still work for them in the next election. It will be all about Trump and how only Carney can handle him. Carney did say Canadians should judge him on grocery prices. https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-carney-not-meeting-his-own-measure-as-food-inflation-climbs-again Search Assist Yes, food prices in Canada rose by 6.2% in December 2025, marking the highest increase since 2023, and they are expected to continue rising by an additional 4% to 6% in 2026. This trend has made Canada the "food inflation capital" of the G7. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, Blah Blah Blah... I remember people saying the same thing when I was kid. And I'm an old geezer. "In 1970, the average income of a census family was $9,600." "In 2024, average household income around $106,300." Well, it was still easier to buy a home in 1970 than 2024. 17 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Total BULLSH!T! Your response to 'we are no longer a rich country' Tell that to all the homeless people and those having to depend on foodbanks. "Yes, there are significantly more food banks in Canada now than there were in 1970. In the early 1970s, food banks were virtually non-existent, with the first food bank established in 1981 in Edmonton, Alberta. Since then, the number of food banks has grown exponentially." 1 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 20 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, Blah Blah Blah... I remember people saying the same thing when I was kid. And I'm an old geezer. "In 1970, the average income of a census family was $9,600." "In 2024, average household income around $106,300." Damn immigrants! Damned inflation. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 6:44 PM, Zeitgeist said: What thumping? Carney described reality and stated a fact: If you simply cave into a coercive power, the coercion will continue because it’s proven effective. Canada hasn’t done a free trade deal with China. We haven’t done anything comprehensive. This was a very specific adjustment to our tariffs on some specific items in order to prevent our farmers, especially out west, from going out of business. This isn’t about poking bears or anything but protecting our economy. Trump blessed our deal making until his mood changed and he sounded off on social media. Carney wasn’t being frivolous or provocative in his speech. He was playing an important role as a PM of Canada and a voice on the international political stage. In fact, the world is worse off without someone stepping up and describing the conditions of coercion and the importance of countries protecting themselves from it. Canadians, Europeans, and the citizens of many other Western countries have been gaslighted for too long. Yes we had to step it up on NATO. That isn’t a license to take Greenland and autocratically attempt to impose tariffs on countries that don’t support the invasion of a sovereign ally. Silence would’ve been cowardice. The U.S. is an important trade partner and ally. It is not our master and we are not its slaves. No matter how you slice it, you can expect that CUSMA will be another attempt to fleece countries. I don’t think we should rush to negotiate anything. Much is in play within the U.S. with regard to ICE, the pending Supreme Court decision on tariffs, and internal disagreement on what should be done in Venezuela, the Greenland gambit, and other messes. They’ve got their hands full dealing with an unhinged president. We just have to be sensible. Generally, so far, so good. Yes Carney has stated some facts, here is some other facts Canada is in the middle of trying to get rid of tariffs of our own think it is a good idea to step onto an international stage and point out that the world is changing and the US is no longer reliable....He has done this more than once....why would anyone want to deal with a man that continually does that... HE was the one that stood up and swore to all Canadians HE could get a deal done....And yet here we are....no deal , no nothing... Canada should not be dealing with China at all, Liberals said that last time China held hostage Canadians, and put on crippling tariffs because we were following the rule of law...Get new buyers for our canola....that should have been our priority....I can tell you this you do not get a deal by slamming your partner on the inter national stage...That is poking the bear... His first and most important role is to govern Canada, and do what is in the best interest of Canada...Getting our deal down with the US our biggest trading partner is his job...NO point in fixing one industry and weaken another...That speech he gave what did it do for the nation, did it get us any closer to a deal with the US, All It did was repaired a relationship that we should have scrap long ago....Canada is his first priority....and we are naive if we think one speech is going to save the world as it is today...That's not Canada's position in this world. Your pissed because trump has made all of NATO take their membership seriously...we as a Nation have taken advantage of that fact, we have thrown out our responsibility that was laid out in these defensive agreements, and firming up our reputation as laggards.... a nation that can not be relied on for anything of real value....we should be quietly rebuilding that, now is not the time to grab the microphone and start preaching... And we have not stepped up, we are not at 2 %, a large chunk of that money will be returned as it can not be spent...we have tied our hands behind our back with the current fiscal rules we have put in place...Nobody has taken or invaded anything that's trump way of negotiating , he says a lot of things... why have we not been able to learn that lesson... Some thing we all need to learn, the US is the ,master, while we have been cashing in peace bonds , making up new social programs the US has been busy making sure it is the worlds police men...They control the bulk of NATO contribution, NORAD they pay well over 60 % and provide most of the equipment and aircraft....5 EYES Canada has been left out in the cold because we have nothing of any value to share or contribute...Australia contribute far more than Canada does....The US is basically our only trading partner....making up 67.3 percent of our trade....and China makes up only 3.6 percent....who do you think we should be appeasing China or the US... Cusma did you know Mexico has a much better deal than we do....Remember when we hung Mexico out to dry... ever wonder why we do not do more business with them....We as a nation have set Canada up for failure in the next CUSMA talks....all for our pride....Try eating pride or paying rent with pride and see where it gets us...When your dealing with an unhinged President as you call him , you play to his ego....not make fun of him on the international stage....when ever you want...Carney is playing to his base , and forgetting that he is the PM and needs to put our nations first in any comment... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 36 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Yeah, Blah Blah Blah... I remember people saying the same thing when I was kid. And I'm an old geezer. "In 1970, the average income of a census family was $9,600." "In 2024, average household income around $106,300." Damn immigrants! Not sure where your getting your stats from ...but most other sites stat a much lower figure... As of 2023–2025 data, the average individual employment income in Canada is approximately $54,500 to $57,000 CAD per year. Median after-tax income for families and unattached individuals was $74,200 in 2023. Incomes vary significantly by age, with peak earnings ($80,600) typically in the 45–54 age bracket. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/25/2026 at 12:26 AM, I am Groot said: Also from X James E Thorne. Carney Can’t Have It Both Ways. “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” In Davos, Mark Carney invoked the Melian Dialogue to warn that middle powers risk ending up on the menu. Yet the irony of his own performance was hard to miss: he spoke like Athens while presiding over something much closer to Melos. Canada must drop Davos theatre. Confronted with Trump’s Greenland gambit, a 100 per cent tariff threat, and a new National Security Strategy that weaponises trade, Ottawa cannot afford one more round of slogan‑heavy multilateralism and moral posturing. The age of performative politics and virtue signalling is over; this is the era of the Trump doctrine. Carney, more than most, should recognise the shift. As Trudeau’s economic adviser, he was present at the creation of a model that traded hard leverage for international applause while Canadians faced stagnating productivity, unaffordable housing, and eroding clout in Washington. His Davos talk of “rupture” and middle‑power coalitions risks sounding like a refined version of that same globalist script. While his speech aroused nationalism in many parts of Canada, it did the country a disservice by implying that Ottawa enjoys far more power and room for manoeuvre than it actually does in a harsher Realpolitik world. Canada is not Athens; it is, uncomfortably, closer to Melos. He now needs to be honest with Canadians: the relationship with the United States is priority number one. Carney must come clean, drop the happy talk, and start implementing a serious strategy of economic sovereignty with the US as its main driver. If he wants to lead Canada through this storm, he cannot have it both ways. He must move from panels to power politics: build a tough, explicitly transactional relationship with Washington; ensure any deal with China clearly satisfies Trump’s stated national security concerns; and accept that on defence and intelligence Canada is a junior partner that must bargain accordingly. At home, he needs to stop hiding behind an overgrown bureaucracy, abandon the illusion that climate policy can double as industrial strategy, and confront the depth of alienation in Alberta, which increasingly sees Confederation as a mechanism for enriching eastern elites while treating the West as a carbon colony. The choice is stark. Either Carney abandons his globalist reflexes and defends Canadian sovereignty with hard instruments of statecraft, or he becomes Trudeau with better lines – a Melian orator in an Athenian world that has run out of patience for beautiful speeches from the weak. What a load of cliches, the sort of thing Charles Krauthammer made popular decades ago. He has the gall to criticize Carney standing up for Canada after Trump has repeatedly threatened our very existence? Behind the fancy words, he’s just another supporter of a foreign power telling us we should do as we are told. Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few surrender monkeys on this side of the border all too willing to fall in line. I see in another tweet he mentions how clever the people are in Trump’s cabinet. Yet these geniuses tell preposterous lies on a daily basis for their grotesque master. What Americans need to understand is that the competition with China is primarily over technology rather than territory. This isn’t 1920. All the oil in Venezuela, minerals in Greenland and land in Canada will mean nothing if Chinese scientists leap ahead. Also bear in mind that the arrogance of Athens was resented by many Greeks and contributed to its defeat by Sparta. Edited January 27 by SpankyMcFarland Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 2:37 PM, Zeitgeist said: Only 20% of Canada is comfortably habitable, meaning that the land mass actually available for settlement in Canada is significantly smaller than the lower 48 states. It’s roughly the size of France, which is a country that has probably overpopulated through immigration and that was at its peak at around 60 million people. Mass immigration has created messes in places like the Banlieue in Paris. I wouldn’t grow Canada’s population to beyond around 60 million. More than half of those new immigrants to Canada will settle in the Greater Golden Horseshoe in Ontario (70% of 20 million new people actually). About two thirds of the remainder will settle in Vancouver, Montreal, and Calgary, so let’s call it about another 1.5 million people per major city (another 5+ million in Toronto). What would our quality of life look like in places like Southern Ontario and BC’s lower mainland with an extra 60 million Canadians under the Century Project of 100 million Canadians, effectively increasing the populations of these areas by 3 times? Where are these new people going to live, Kapuskasing? The quality of life in Canada would collapse along with anything we considered quaint or beautiful. At 60 million people, Canada would have a large enough market to produce just about everything in every sector if we ever had to raise the drawbridge on trade and security. We could justify producing our own armaments for every military branch, maintain a few domestically owned automakers, produce enough variety of foods and goods to satisfy the domestic market, but also sell to the rest of the world where it’s economical to do so. I think that’s the sweet spot for Canada: big enough but not too big. Oh, and enough deterrent nuclear arms to destroy all enemies once. You only need to be able to do it once over. I envision drones along the border backed by satellite weapon systems, missiles and aircraft, nuclear subs in the Arctic, etc. Not to quibble but isn’t 20% of our total area just under 2 million square kms, closer to Mexico or Indonesia than France and not far off Greenland’s size? 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 hours ago, ironstone said: Grocery prices are still climbing... Our problems here are largely self inflicted and not the fault of Trump. The biggest driver of food inflation in Canada in 2025 was weather and climate. Not exactly our fault given most of our food comes from California and Mexico both of which have been hard hit by drought. There's little anyone is seemingly willing or able to do about it. Climate change is one of the biggest reasons food costs more right now. Are you really sure you want Carney to do something about climate change? Careful what you wish for. In addition to higher prices I've also noticed a drop off in the quality of food, especially produce. It seems like what would have been #2 quality and shunted off to canning is now #1 quality. #3 must be really sketchy stuff. I'm reminded of how fish have gotten smaller as time goes by. I recall old timers mentioning it and now I'm an old timer seeing it too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ExFlyer Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 39 minutes ago, eyeball said: The biggest driver of food inflation in Canada in 2025 was weather and climate. Not exactly our fault given most of our food comes from California and Mexico both of which have been hard hit by drought. There's little anyone is seemingly willing or able to do about it. Climate change is one of the biggest reasons food costs more right now. Are you really sure you want Carney to do something about climate change? Careful what you wish for. In addition to higher prices I've also noticed a drop off in the quality of food, especially produce. It seems like what would have been #2 quality and shunted off to canning is now #1 quality. #3 must be really sketchy stuff. I'm reminded of how fish have gotten smaller as time goes by. I recall old timers mentioning it and now I'm an old timer seeing it too. And a 30+% exchange rate considering most of our food is imported from the US during the winter and spring and what is not coming from the US, it has to be shipped form other countries. The cost of food is passed on... "In 2023, approximately 68% of Canada's agriculture and food imports originated in the United States, reflecting a heavily integrated food system. The U.S. is the source for over half of Canada’s total agri-food imports, supplying 67% of vegetables and 36% of fruits. " "The United States is the largest supplier, followed by the EU, Mexico, China, and Thailand." "As of 2019, Canada was the 6th largest importer of agri-food and seafood products, with imports valued at Can$52.1 billion. " Edited January 27 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: The biggest driver of food inflation in Canada in 2025 was weather and climate. Not exactly our fault given most of our food comes from California and Mexico both of which have been hard hit by drought. There's little anyone is seemingly willing or able to do about it. Climate change is one of the biggest reasons food costs more right now. Are you really sure you want Carney to do something about climate change? Careful what you wish for. In addition to higher prices I've also noticed a drop off in the quality of food, especially produce. It seems like what would have been #2 quality and shunted off to canning is now #1 quality. #3 must be really sketchy stuff. I'm reminded of how fish have gotten smaller as time goes by. I recall old timers mentioning it and now I'm an old timer seeing it too. Seems like you're saying that basically nothing bad is the fault of the Liberals and their policies since 2015. Blaming the high cost of groceries on climate is a cop-out. And please not that there is still an industrial carbon tax in effect and that certainly has an effect on food prices. Carney recently did a photo op in some grocery store and they made sure to remove all visible prices for the camera lol. 1 Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: The biggest driver of food inflation in Canada in 2025 was weather and climate. Not exactly our fault given most of our food comes from California and Mexico both of which have been hard hit by drought. There's little anyone is seemingly willing or able to do about it. Climate change is one of the biggest reasons food costs more right now. Are you really sure you want Carney to do something about climate change? Careful what you wish for. In addition to higher prices I've also noticed a drop off in the quality of food, especially produce. It seems like what would have been #2 quality and shunted off to canning is now #1 quality. #3 must be really sketchy stuff. I'm reminded of how fish have gotten smaller as time goes by. I recall old timers mentioning it and now I'm an old timer seeing it too. Grocery Costs: Items like dairy, chicken, and eggs often cost more in Canada due to supply management systems. A 15 lb turkey costs approximately $56.85 CAD in Canada vs. $34.65 USD in the US. Produce & Staples: Potatoes and other staples are generally cheaper in the U.S.. Fast Food & Dining: Some reports suggest casual dining or fast food can be slightly cheaper in Canada, though results vary by city. Regional Differences: Costs fluctuate based on location; a 5 lb bag of potatoes is roughly $5.18 CAD in Canada vs. $3.54 USD in the US. 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/25/2026 at 3:57 PM, Army Guy said: Trump is not stopping Canada from doing anything....like everything, trump is saying there will be consequences... Yes we have free speech, but it has limits and consequences...someone could call your wife a slu!, because everyone has free speech , does not mean there is no consequences to those words...Trump has given us a warning, and I'm sure they already had a conversation to explain the consequences in detail.... You can't ignor all those other duties as a nation the federal government has like making sure we can defend the nation, and service our sovereignty, that we can respond to emergencies, that we abide by the rule of law, and have the means to uphold those laws Our nation has come up short, we were once a middle power, today we think we are a middle power but in reality some third world nations are able to protect themself better than we do.... My point is this if you can't lead your nation and provide all of these basic principles, they expect to be told what to do...And by just pi$$ing off whom ever you want, then expect to face the consequences, and in this case it is tariffs... Sorry, but God is not going to protect us from the worlds largest economy and military power...hence why diplomacy was created....to find a way to compromise...Now as you say Carney is a man of free will and can say what ever he wants... that's not diplomacy, that's him acting like an individual. When he speaks in a public forum he is required to speak as a diplomat/ politician...not an individual... What you and others think is some great form of statementship, in my opinion was reckless, knowing what we know about trump and what he responds to or makes him angry....to add to all of that what did this speech give Canada ? other than a reprimand for trump, and his people....has it given us a trade deal with the US, are we closer to getting one, Is our deal with China which is only 3.9 % of all exports...worth the risk of tariffs from our largest trading partner worth well over 69.3 % of all our exports..... With CUSMA coming up for review, is it to our benefit to poke trump are we getting a better deal by doing so....or are we risking not having a CUSMA at all.... We are the mouse that lives next to the elephant, diplomacy is all we have to deal with trump and his crew...right now we are acting like that toy poodle , being all yaky yaky yak....not making any friends, and acting like we are something special....when we have not shown the world we are anything except dependent on the States... And if you think all of this chest thumping, is worth it, then fine, but we should be prepared for the consequences...or learn to STFU and start listening more... Sorry, the majority of Canadians don’t support your call for subservience and vassalage. You also are unde the delusion that Trump can be placated and can be negotiated with when we have seen his word is worthless and he bargains in bad faith. You seem to think respects weaklings who bend the knee and submit. He HATES those people and he only sees it as invitation to take more from them. Meanwhile Trump backed off of Denmark when Canada and the allies stood up to him. Youre also living in an alternate reality when you say we are not making any friends. We always had many friends and Carney has made even more. After Davos he’s being celebrated around the world and even across the USA by the anti-Trump Americans. Trump is the one losing friends Edited January 28 by BeaverFever 2 Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 17 minutes ago, ironstone said: Seems like you're saying that basically nothing bad is the fault of the Liberals and their policies since 2015. No, that's just your urge to basically blame everything on them. You have to do better. Criticism is great but it has to be more constructive to realize anything from it. 18 minutes ago, ironstone said: Blaming the high cost of groceries on climate is a cop-out. Go take it up with experts and data pointing to it. There are other sources than the University of Calgary. 20 minutes ago, ironstone said: And please not that there is still an in effect and that certainly has an effect on food prices. Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on household spending on food, it's not expected to add more than $20 per year by 2030 to food costs. How does an industrial carbon tax in Canada affect the price of groceries from the US and Mexico exactly? 21 minutes ago, ironstone said: Carney recently did a photo op in some grocery store and they made sure to remove all visible prices for the camera lol. Do you hear that Theremin playing in the background? 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, Legato said: Grocery Costs: Items like dairy, chicken, and eggs often cost more in Canada due to supply management systems. A 15 lb turkey costs approximately $56.85 CAD in Canada vs. $34.65 USD in the US. Produce & Staples: Potatoes and other staples are generally cheaper in the U.S.. Fast Food & Dining: Some reports suggest casual dining or fast food can be slightly cheaper in Canada, though results vary by city. Regional Differences: Costs fluctuate based on location; a 5 lb bag of potatoes is roughly $5.18 CAD in Canada vs. $3.54 USD in the US. Sure there are other factors, like a lower dollar. Virtually everything in the US is cheaper simply due to that. Has been for years. But to be sure, food prices are going higher in the US as well due to worsening climate and weather. It's called global climate change for a reason. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Items like dairy, chicken, and eggs often cost more in Canada due to supply management systems. Remember where I pointed to the dropping quality of food? I don't mind paying a little more if our management systems contribute to better quality. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Legato Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure there are other factors, like a lower dollar. Virtually everything in the US is cheaper simply due to that. Has been for years. But to be sure, food prices are going higher in the US as well due to worsening climate and weather. It's called global climate change for a reason. Supply Management: Canadian supply management increases prices for dairy, chicken, and eggs. Inflation: As of early 2026, Canada has been described as the "food inflation capital of the G7". Exchange Rate: The 40% difference in currency often makes shopping in the U.S. seem more attractive for Canadians. Taxes & Subsidies: The U.S. provides more subsidies for producers. In summary, for staples and groceries, the U.S. is usually more affordable, while for dining out, it depends on the region. My shoelace just broke, it must be Trumps fault, although on second thoughts it must be climate change. Quote
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Legato said: Inflation: As of early 2026, Canada has been described as the "food inflation capital of the G7". With climate and weather cited as the leading driver. Deal with it. It's only going to get worse. Edited January 27 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
ironstone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 32 minutes ago, eyeball said: Industrial carbon pricing has essentially no impact on household spending on food, it's not expected to add more than $20 per year by 2030 to food costs. Impact of the Liberal Industrial Carbon Tax on Grocery Prices The Liberal industrial carbon tax has notable effects on grocery prices due to its influence on transportation and production costs. Here’s a detailed breakdown of how it impacts the grocery market. Increase in Production and Transportation Costs The industrial carbon tax primarily affects sectors like oil and gas, steel, and agriculture. Its implications can lead to: Higher Energy Costs: Carbon taxes increase the cost of fossil fuels, which are pivotal in manufacturing and transporting food. This results in higher operational costs for food producers, which could be passed down to consumers. Increased Fertilizer Prices: Farmers face elevated fertilizer costs due to taxes imposed on fertilizer production, directly affecting the cost of fresh produce. Supply Chain Disruptions The ongoing economic impacts from the pandemic and geopolitical tensions have strained supply chains further. Carbon taxes can exacerbate these issues by: Creating Uncertainty: Producers may adjust prices preemptively, anticipating additional costs from carbon regulations. This can inflate prices before any concrete cost increase occurs. Disrupting Logistics: Higher transport costs affect the overall ability to deliver goods efficiently, leading to stock shortages or increased pricing to manage fluctuating supply chains. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
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