Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump and Carney spoke all weekend including late into Sunday night right before the announcement was made. That’s Trump had to invest so much time and energy right up to the last minute to get this concession suggests is not as one-sided as you suggest. 
 

It is entirely one-sided. Trump was not on the phone to carney all weekend. And Carney caved and gave drop everything he wanted and we got nothing.

It is 100% one-sided. What did we get out of this? We gave up 7 to 10 billion dollars worth of tax revenue, what did we get for that money?

Get your head out of your ass. This was a straight-up loss for us

The narrative being spun  by conservatives was disputed   You have ONE think tank making these claims, which the conservative echo chamber repeated as fact. The Liberal party disputed it. Vassy K didn’t confirm it ahe just reported what OE amd conservatives alleged. 
 

 

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Ottawa says most tariffs against U.S. remain, pushing back on earlier report

Yeah, not surprisingly the liberals are lying about the situation and trying to put a glad face on it. But tons of independent people have noted that the vast majority of the tariffs have no effect and have been taken off in practice. We aren't collecting the money, I get that you are scouring the internet for every single possible drip of a chance to argue that this isn't true but it is absolutely true

Carney has taken the tariffs off. He has done what he has been told to  by trump.  We are very quickly losing this trade war. Our industries are laying people off and our economic outlook is not great. 

On top of it, carney's OTHER plan to fight back was to create free trade between the provinces to increase our domestic markets.  That was to be done by July 1, hard promise with a definite date.  That has NOT happened AT ALL.  The trade barriers are still up and strong, and while there's been a very little movement there is nothing substantial enough to make a real difference at this time nor does it sound like there's going to be. 

This is not going well for us. 

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Just a correction:  the “quota money” doesn’t go to the government. Farmers buy quotas from other farmers.  And the provincial dairy boards are not “government” they’re dairy farmers elected by fellow dairy farmers, basically a self-regulating body. 
 

I don’t think there’s a difference in how milk tastes, just know that US milk can have artificial hormones in it. The only reason it costs less in USA is because the federal and state governments heavily subsidize farmers. The government gives them “price guarantees” so if the price goes below a certain amount the government pays them the difference. A variety of government departments from defence to education and more also have mandates to buy up and stockpile surplus dairy products.   So America doesn’t do it better. 

Also American farmers dump milk far more often than in Canada, precisely because supply is not centrally managed and subsidies encourage overproduction.   In Canada dumping is a last resort and usually due to some temporary disruption like a processing facility being unexpectedly offline. In the Canadian system everything is coordinated from producer to processor to retailer to minimize mismatches

One other difference with USA is their dairy tends to come from very massive megafarms doing huge business exporting dairy products all around the world whereas Canada still tends to be primarily family farms 

All countries have some sort of protection or regulation for things like dairy and eggs.m because of their nature.  While most other industries can shut down a factory when consumer demand or prices drop, cows are basically milk factories that can’t be shut down. The milk is coming out of that cow one way or another whether you want to sell it or not. And milk spoils quickly so can’t really be stored if sales are slow this week. Cows are milked 2-3 times a day and the milk has to be on the grocery store shelf a couple days after that. It seems that anywhere that doesn’t use supply management uses government subsidies instead, with the exception of New Zealand, which exports 95% of the milk it produces….that doesn’t seem any better. 

Milk quotas are decided by the federal government , divided by provinces. you can purchase your quota from another farmer, or the federal government much like the lobster industry, the government gets the quota money, or a another person can sell his quota or portions of it...either way, the government gets it's share...

https://agriculture.canada.ca/en/sector/animal-industry/canadian-dairy-information-centre/statistics-market-information/farm-statistics/distribution-quota

America must be doing something right as their milk products are way cheaper....and the dairy cartel sets the price and passes it on to the consumer....either way government subsidize, or dairy cartel  all of that is passed on to consumer one way or another ie taxes or higher prices...and yet American milk products are way cheaper... 

Like you said cows produce milk 24/ 7 days a week and if your at your quota then your dumping your milk...you can not donate it, or sell it, you dump it....Canada has it's share of mega farmers as well.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's difficult for you to see because of your anti-liberal bias.  Carney is dealing with a child....you can easily relate to how a child thinks.

We've seen our country go down the drain for ten years; that's not bias. 

At what point did you ever imagine that our gov't would force Canadians to take a "vax" that we already knew wasn't working? We already knew that 50% of the people in Israeli ICU's were 2x-vaxed BEFORE we started forcing people to take it. What was the point of forcing Canadians after that? 

How many billions did we give away under Trudeau?

How did he get away with gifting WE $900M, while they were bankrolling his mom and making Hitler-Youth propaganda for him? 

The LPOC is a cancer, and Canada isn't even putting up a fight. 

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is entirely one-sided. Trump was not on the phone to carney all weekend.

Carney should just say: "Trump called me fifty times and I finally answered the phone last night while I was on the toilet, I gave him some orders and hung up on him. He's giving us Hawaii and California." The CBC will run with it. 

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

This "art" sold for $6.2 million

I think this is an example of where we are today as a nation if this sells for art and someone bought it...hopeless and lost...

[herbie]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Well the breaking news tonight is that Carney has agreed to cancel the DST. I have to say I’m very disappointed.

I'm disgusted at that too, making concessions beforehand.
But then again we're negotiating with a f*cking toddler. 

And his advisors enabling him remind me of my step-daughter in handling the spoiled brat grandson. Told her you can't 'reason' with half of 50 year old Americans, trying it on a 3 year old is beyond stupid. You just say NO and a quick swat on the arse.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

I'm disgusted at that too, making concessions beforehand.
But then again we're negotiating with a f*cking toddler. 

 

No. We are not. We are negotiating with a bully with a massive ego. He's not a toddler in the slightest.

But more to the point we knew that before the election. And Carney who has knowledge of trump and in fact already deals with his family in business new perfectly well what kind of person Donald Trump was. And he said he could handle it. He said he would be elbows up and protecting Canada.

We just lost 7 to 10 billion dollars. That's real money. Carney absolutely lied about being able to have trump and all he's doing is capitulating to him

[ExFlyer]

32 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I think this is an example of where we are today as a nation if this sells for art and someone bought it...hopeless and lost...

We, as a nation, did not buy this. 

"Art" has been sold for millennia and has nothing to do with any nation.

"Chinese cryptocurrency businessman Justin Sun, who last week purchased a $6.2 million art piece consisting solely of a banana duct taped to a wall, ate the banana"

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/29/nx-s1-5210800/6-million-banana-art-piece-eaten

[SpankyMcFarland]

Canada ‘caved’ - this is the thuggish mentality we have to negotiate with. Really classy people. They hate us when we bargain with them and despise us when we compromise. So it looks like we will have to postpone DSTs because of our geography but rest assured they’re only going to become more common in the rest of the world and will make it to our shores eventually. In a digital age, governments can’t afford not to have them. 

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Canada ‘caved’ - this is the thuggish mentality we have to negotiate with. Really classy people. They hate us when we bargain with them and despise us when we compromise. So it looks like we will have to postpone DSTs because of our geography but rest assured they’re only going to become more common in the rest of the world and will make it to our shores eventually. In a digital age, governments can’t afford not to have them. 

There is a big difference between "caving" and being strategic.

"They"? The Americans don't "hate" us. This is all a Trump (or his personal puppets) tactic but Carney is not a stupid businessman. He can play as well.

Yes, Carney will postpone them but not eliminate them entirely. The European Union has them and some of those countries have a "deal". Carney will just wait for his opportunity.

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There is a big difference between "caving" and being strategic.

"They"? The Americans don't "hate" us. This is all a Trump (or his personal puppets) tactic but Carney is not a stupid businessman. He can play as well.

Yes, Carney will postpone them but not eliminate them entirely. The European Union has them and some of those countries have a "deal". Carney will just wait for his opportunity.

Yes, we’re negotiating with Trump and his team, not all of America. They described it as caving. 

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Yes, we’re negotiating with Trump and his team, not all of America. They described it as caving. 

Of course his staff would call it that LOL

Trump and his hangars on have to have a "victory".  Fortunately...like so much of their celebrating is often debunked a week or 2 later... like the obliterated Iranian nuclear sites

 

I guess what upsets me the most is our side not debunking Trumps 1diotic claims. Then again, I can see us being quiet lest we pi$$ him off too often LOL

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We've seen our country go down the drain for ten years; that's not bias. 

At what point did you ever imagine that our gov't would force Canadians to take a "vax" that we already knew wasn't working? We already knew that 50% of the people in Israeli ICU's were 2x-vaxed BEFORE we started forcing people to take it. What was the point of forcing Canadians after that? 

How many billions did we give away under Trudeau?

How did he get away with gifting WE $900M, while they were bankrolling his mom and making Hitler-Youth propaganda for him? 

The LPOC is a cancer, and Canada isn't even putting up a fight. 

My comment about Carney having to deal with a child has nothing to do with seeing our "country go down a drain".  He's dealing with a someone who acts like a petulant child... that's obvious.

I'm not going down the vaxx road but 100% agree that Trudeau was a failure.  Would I have voted for him if in fact he chose not to resign...not a freaking chance.  Would I have voted for PP...no I wouldn't have.

Disagree that Canada isn't putting up a fight.  We just had an election 2 months ago and the Canadian people have spoken...they want the liberals to stay in power with Carney running the show.  Where that gets us....who knows, but I'm rooting for him.

[Nefarious Banana]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We just had an election 2 months ago and the Canadian people have spoken...they want the Liberals to stay in power with Carney running the show. 

Results of the popular vote tell a different story . . .

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Results of the popular vote tell a different story . . .

Same story....  Liberal 8,595,488.  Conservative 8,113,484

[taxme]

On 6/27/2025 at 11:05 AM, CdnFox said:

Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

FAAAACK!!!

So much for Carney being able to "handle trump". 

Carney was counting on that money too. So if he caves and cancels the tax he will look weak as hell and have an even bigger deficit. Not to mention the fact that the Canadian news producers won't like it. And if he tries to keep it trump won't talk trade with him so we keep our tariffs and lose more jobs

Anyone who voted for this a****** thinking he somehow could handle trump deserves to be dipped in Puppy Chow and thrown to a pack of rabid poodles.

Carney has no way of trying to win anything against Trump because Trump is to good and to great a leader for that globalist buffoon to ever try and defeat. The ball will always be in Trump's side of the court. Whatever Trump does to Canada, well Canada deserves it because Canada for too long has tried to fight the elephant in the room, and Canada will never win anything with America or Trump.

Canada needs to disappear because the real great Canada of long ago has gone. Only Lieberals, socialists, communists and environmental wackos want to keep Canada alive and in the dumps forever. Those fools hate Canada, otherwise, why would they vote for the lieberals at all and has given them another four more years to really destroy Canada. Wasn't the last ten years of lying, cheating, stealing, corruption, ethics violations not enough for those imbeciles? 

We need Alberta to finish off Canada for good. I am sad to say it but only Alberta can do that job. Just saying. 

Edited June 30, 2025 by taxme

[taxme]

On 6/27/2025 at 3:44 PM, blackbird said:

The tax only applies to the Canadian customers of Google, Amazon, etc.  It doesn't apply to non-Canadian businesses as you claimed.

It really is just a hidden tax on Canadians because these companies will just pass it on to their Canadian customers.

So maybe Trump is doing us a favour without realizing it.

So does this DST mean if we buy something on Amazon, there will now be a 3% tax added to everything?

Another Liberal ripoff.

Only the lieberals will find ways to try and steal more tax dollars from we the sheeple. This country lives off of taxes. That is all the lieberals knows how to do is find ways to come up with more new taxes. Maybe if those stupid liebearls would stop borrowing money from the banksters, and the blowing that borrowed money all away on their pet globsalist communist programs and agendas, there would be no more need to look for more ways to get their money that they enjoy blowing.

As i always like to say, screw Canada, Canada is gone and not worth trying to save anymore. The lieberals will always rule the roost because they know how to cheat at election time. There can be no way that the conservatives should have lost the election, with the big lead that they had, other then the lieberals cheated and the Canadian MSM went along with their cheating and helped them get elected again.

The only way to put Canada out of its misery is for it to cease to exist any longer. If anyone can give me a good reason as to why Canada should still exist, then let me know? 😇

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Yes, we’re negotiating with Trump and his team, not all of America. They described it as caving. 

It certainly felt like caving the moment I first heard about it - it was a visceral feeling of...WTF is he thinking?

[Aristides]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I have no problems with farmers making a living, it seems you don't like a free market, or support the little guy just trying to scratch out a living, most of the quotas are going to big farm cooperation's. W5 did a big story about the milk and egg cartels, and the waste they over produce that gets dumped down the drains,...And we the consumer pay for that in jacked up prices....

if your in favor perhaps every industry should have pricing control to ensure they make a profit , and you pay the higher price just so they can make a living....

And if the Canadian dollar was a little better, and fuel cheaper i would be buying most of my food in the US...

It isn’t a free market when some are being subsidized by government and relying on undocumented labour and others aren’t. The US pays farmers to produce more than they can sell domestically so they want to dump the excess on us because we are the only market for liquid milk close enough that it won’t spoil in transit. So stop the BS about free markets. 
 

One would think a country’s ability to feed itself would be some kind of priority but not for you. You want to hand that to the US along with everything else.

[User]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

It isn’t a free market when some are being subsidized by government and relying on undocumented labour and others aren’t.

It is simply amazing how two faced you are on here. You argue against American efforts to enforce our borders and then you argue against American companies using that same labor you argue against deporting...

Also, not all "undocumented" labor means they are still not paid high wages or market level wages for their efforts or that those hiring them know they are illegal immigrants when they present valid ID. 

 

[CdnFox]

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

There is a big difference between "caving" and being strategic.

"They"? The Americans don't "hate" us. This is all a Trump (or his personal puppets) tactic but Carney is not a stupid businessman. He can play as well.

Yes, Carney will postpone them but not eliminate them entirely. The European Union has them and some of those countries have a "deal". Carney will just wait for his opportunity.

He caved. All the newspapers are saying it, all the pundits are saying it, trump is saying it and that's the worst because now that he thinks carney caved he's going to treat Carney worse and push for even more concessions.

There's absolutely nothing strategic about this. Strategic would have been a month ago saying hey if you give us something here will reduce or eliminate the tax there.

The UK got to keep their tax and struck a deal, but he thinks they're tough. He thinks carney is a pushover.

Carney totally caved and now it's going to make it difficult for the next round

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Same story....  Liberal 8,595,488.  Conservative 8,113,484

Yeah, that would be a minority government, and a difference of a couple hundred thousand people in a population of 40 million.

That is absolutely not the Canadian people saying they want the liberals to continue. That is the people saying they're willing to give the liberals a chance but they are not willing to trust the liberals with power. That's what a minority government is

The liberals can do nothing without permission from one of the other parties.

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He caved. ...

Once again, you have no clues. 

You have no idea what is going on.

Your imaginations is seriously flawed and has no reality .

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Once again, you have no clues. 

You have no idea what is going on.

Your imaginations is seriously flawed and has no reality .

Once again you have no argument. You reduced to crying like a child and jumping up and down in anger.   what a fragile little creature you are  

Virtually every media source and the majority of Canadians agree with me according to the papers. And they're simple reasons for that.

This tax has been coming for 3 years, certainly since before trump and even Biden didn't like it. Carney knew it was a sore point and yet as late as last week he was absolutely promising that no matter what they would continue it. He had champagne his finance minister out telling the world on Friday.

He budgeted this money in his election budget that he produced. He absolutely needed the billions of dollars this was going to generate.

But trump waved his fist at him and within 48 hours all of that went out the window and carney completely caved without getting a single concession in return.

Carney rolled over faster than chamberlain. And everybody everywhere is commenting on it.

But worst of all, trump is gloating in his victory. And the reason for that is he now believes that as long as he plays tough guy carney will cave. So now he's moved on to supply management and like every bully in the world once he realizes you're going to give your lunch money over without a fight even if you do fight back in the future he's not going to give you an easy time of it.

This was a horrible failure on his part and everybody understands it.

Even you do, which is why you're reduced to crying and filling your diapers when people pointed out

 

[ExFlyer]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Once again you have no argument. .

 

Once again, your simple mind cannot comprehend the issues or the effort taken to resolve the trade dispute.

But, that is understandable, LOSERS have difficulty recovering LOL

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Once again, your simple mind cannot comprehend the issues or the effort taken to resolve the trade dispute.

But, that is understandable, LOSERS have difficulty recovering LOL

So you're admitting you were wrong and have no argument but you feel the need to cry and lash out in order to try and make your ego feel better?

That does sound like you  

Carney Failed. No amount of crying on your part is going to change that. All you can do is hope that he does better next time. But unfortunately for all of us next time is going to be harder for him because of this time