Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What...?  

 

Oh, sorry..... Did I use polysyllabic words again?

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We or they and "have money" is irrelevant....it's the dollars being traded.  Google the definition of trade....

Right, because trade isn't about money 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄  

At any rate if you were paying attention you would have noticed that what carney gave away was money. 7 billion dollars or better to be precise.

You claim that's meaningless. I would argue that 7 billion dollars is actually a not insignificant amount of actual money.

You haven't made a case that it is. If we give up 7 billion dollars without getting a thing for it that's bad

Mind you I'm explaining that to someone that thinks the trade doesn't have anything to do with money.

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh, sorry..... Did I use polysyllabic words again?

Right, because trade isn't about money 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄  

At any rate if you were paying attention you would have noticed that what carney gave away was money. 7 billion dollars or better to be precise.

You claim that's meaningless. I would argue that 7 billion dollars is actually a not insignificant amount of actual money.

You haven't made a case that it is. If we give up 7 billion dollars without getting a thing for it that's bad

Mind you I'm explaining that to someone that thinks the trade doesn't have anything to do with money.

You talk in circles with little idea of what you're saying....  

Yes, 1.4B annually is somewhat insignificant with 1T in annual trade, and the right thing to do by taking it off the table right now.

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Look at these Libbies. All behind a liar and a thief who sold them all a bill of goods. The carney has bent over for Trump over and over now. 

"Hurray! We won!"

Lol...what you dumb little sh1ts will never admit is, you "won" the direction you arch nemesis wants Canada to go in.

"Elbows Up"...twits.

Lol you’re such a loser troll.
 

The only thief and liar is TACO Trump who walked back most of his tariff threats over his bullshit fentanyl claims months ago. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You talk in circles with little idea of what you're saying....  

 

Oh look who's having a hissy fit in order to concede defeat again 🙄

There's no circle here kiddo, this is very straightforward and linear. Trump made an unreasonable demand and because carney handled it poorly we lost 7 billion in tax revenue that the Americans get to keep, and we got nothing for it.

In other words trump bent carney over and carney took it. Now trump knows he can bend carney over whenever he wants and that's going to be a problem for future negotiations.

The UK had exactly the same tax and faced exactly the same problem but refused to give their tax up and played Hardball and was it better negotiator. They reduced their tax slightly but got to keep the majority of it and the Americans had to give up concessions in the UK's favor. That is what good negotiating looks like., no one gets bent over, and you wind up with a deal you can live with.

I know that you're new to the logic but this is very much a equals b equals C equals d thinking. There's nothing circular about it.

The only thing circular here is you chasing your tail trying desperately to avoid simple truths

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol you’re such a loser troll.
 

The only thief and liar is TACO Trump who walked back most of his tariff threats over his bullshit fentanyl claims months ago. 

Really? Hey how many times has ol' blood 'n' Guts Carney bent the knee for Trump now?

[Barquentine]

And now Trump the "Great Dealmaker' admits he can't make deals and is just going to "send letters" to countries telling them what tariffs they're going to pay. He routinely breaks his own deals anyway, so why bother with him. I'd be tempted to just sit back and let things work out as they will. Inflation, mid-terms, Trump's dropping polls... And no matter what concessions you give the guy, he's a gangster and extortionist who will just want more. It's gonna' hurt us (and others) but not much we can do other than fix our own problems and try to expand trade with other countries.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Bill C-5 for example allows Carney to just declare an oil pipeline or other project to be above the law and ignore any environmental concerns, laws or indigenous consultation that gets in the way.   His immigration crackdown is another. All rammed through parliament with barely any debate or examination. Conservatives must be creaming their jeans over those. 

That's just authoritarianism, something the Left seems given to in all things. But if you think he's going to use it for pipelines or oil and gas development, you're mistaken. He's been very careful to promise no such thing.

His immigration crackdown? He's done no such thing. The cuts were made before he took office, and were temporary. He's given no indication he intends to keep them low, either. Immigration is still high and will continue to rise under his plans. Foreign workers continue to pour into the country. I have no doubt that when the temporary cut to foreign students expires they'll be rushing back, as well. And we still have no screening for any of these people coming in and no way to get rid of them if they just stay. Our refugee system remains an absolute joke, and the numbers just for refugees may well pass Harper's total immigration numbers this year. Yes, he's proposed some tinkering around the edges here, but not the direct action that's needed.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Because he has a minority government so he has to be bed buddies with someone and the stuff he wants to do is stuff like massively build up defence, build economic infrastructure, exploit national resources including fossil fuels, etc.

He's not going to build up defence. He's going to play accounting games to pretend he's building up defense until the big orange man is gone. He'll be putting everything but the plumber needed to fix his kitchen sink under the defence umbrella. I doubt he'll be exploiting natural resources either. That's too CO2-intensive. And I don't even know what he means by building economic infrastructure. I suspect he means charging stations, and the energy infrastructure needed to power them and to power more EV cars.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

And he wants to do it all with maximum speed, minimum red tape, minimum consultation, debate etc so that’s naturally more appealing to conservatives and less so to the NDP/BQ

Again, Trudeau was authoritarian-minded, as well. And had contempt for anyone who disagreed with him. The NDP, being lefties, are even more authoritarian-minded.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What government protection?  We are the most foreign owned economy in the G7 and one of the most foreign owned in the G20.

All our big companies are oligopolies. That's why we pay the highest rates in the world for everything from internet and cell phones to the costs of making investments and traveling by air or train. And the government subsidizes them and everyone else in business to one degree or another. It keeps away creative destruction and lets poorly run companies like Bombardier continue to plod along forever with government assistance ($40 billion last year). Irving is building the world's most expensive frigates at a cost roughly three times what the British are paying for the same basic ship. And they're doing it with equipment the taxpayer paid for.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

High wages is not a bad thing and our wages aren’t necessarily lower. Our lowest paid hourly workers maybe have slightly higher wages but salaries in the US are generally higher and on top of that US employers provide extremely expensive health insurance 

US workers are also a lot more productive. And those companies get to write off the cost of the healthcare insurance fees they pay so it still winds up coming from the taxpayer.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

We are inefficient because decade after decade we’ve doubled down on being a “branch plant” economy  that does nothing except export crude raw materials or conduct basic mundane local transactions at the direction of a foreign-headquartered multinational company. 

And one of the reasons for that is it's so hard for a young, growing Canadian company, especially if it's innovative, to get funding here. Our oligopoly banks are notoriously reluctant, and there are few other sources of funding. Which is why they invite in American companies, who eventually take them over. It's also harder for smaller organizations to afford the administrative costs of keeping up with the web of regulations, recording and reporting required by our governments. Especially when they operate in small market economies that often just consist of the province they're in, due to the lack of free trade among provinces.

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So in summary none of what you said explains why we can trade with USA but redirecting trade to Europe and Asia “isn’t going happen” 

70% of our exports go to the US vs 5% to the EU. Even doubling our exports to the EU isn't going to make much of a difference. Two-thirds of our exports to Asia go to China, Japan, and Taiwan, and are mainly natural resources. 

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Secondly I would argue that decades of concentrating our trade with USA in particular and generally being indifferent to having a branch plant economy is precisely why our industry is inefficient.

I don't disagree, but this is not something the government can change anytime soon. 

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Well years ago Canadian businesses weren’t subject to Trump’s ridiculous tariffs and other that signing the trade deal governments didn’t feel motivated to do much else.

Unfortunately, many other countries have tariffs and non-tariff barriers to prevent imports. China is a particularly bad actor in this.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

The NDP, being lefties, are even more authoritarian-minded.

So its like the Khmer Orange or something. 

LMAO!

[herbie]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So its like the Khmer Orange or something. 

LMAO!

That's the funniest. In spite of the most watered down, centrist, mainstream milquetoast of what they once were, they're seen as that by the fascists claiming to be the conservatives and their dimwitted sheeple.
Same as the Yanks claiming Democrats are 'extreme left'. The pinheaded twats on this site come up with endless entertainment.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That's just authoritarianism, something the Left seems given to in all things. But if you think he's going to use it for pipelines or oil and gas development, you're mistaken. He's been very careful to promise no such thing.

LMAO your blatant partisanship is hilarious amd you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. I mean conservatives have been complaining since time immemorial that the environmental and indigenous consultation laws are authoritarian and should be repealed. And now you’re saying that bypassing those same laws to the cheers of conservatives is authoritarian. You’re hilarious. 

He’s said explicitly that to oil and gas pipelines are in scope where it makes sense. 
 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

His immigration crackdown? He's done no such thing. The cuts were made before he took office, and were temporary. He's given no indication he intends to keep them low, either. Immigration is still high and will continue to rise under his plans. Foreign workers continue to pour into the country.

Wrong
 

Immigration curb slashes Canada population growth rate to zero

Tighter immigration rules have cut off the fuel from the Canadian population growth engine.

 

Tighter immigration rules have cut off the fuel from the Canadian population growth engine.

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Canada added just 20,107 people in the first quarter, essentially no percentage change to quarterly population growth, compared with an average of 0.3 per cent over the past decade, Statistics Canada data showed Wednesday. Excluding the pandemic, it’s the slowest quarterly rate since comparable records began in 1946, tied with the fourth quarter of 2014.
 

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Carney’s government has introduced a bill with tougher rules on asylum claims, in addition to limits already in place on foreign students and workers. Lawmakers are set to debate the legislation on Wednesday. It’s an apparent move to deter international students from abusing the system and brace for a possible surge of refugees fleeing US President Donald Trump’s crackdown.

The government’s current immigration plan aims for a period of flat population growth before a return to a pace of expansion that’s closer to historical levels.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/immigration-curb-slashes-canada-population-growth-rate-to-zero
 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And we still have no screening for any of these people coming in and no way to get rid of them if they just stay.

I don’t think that’s true at all. People are regularly screened and removed  

 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And one of the reasons for that is it's so hard for a young, growing Canadian company, especially if it's innovative, to get funding here. Our oligopoly banks are notoriously reluctant, and there are few other sources of funding. Which is why they invite in American companies, who eventually take them over.

That I agree with.  But it’s the same small town brach plant mentality that’s been encouraged under both governments it’s not a left/right issue  it’s because of our historically colonial mentality and being in a unipolar bubble with USA the world’s largest superpower and economy being our only neighbour  

 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

70% of our exports go to the US vs 5% to the EU. Even doubling our exports to the EU isn't going to make much of a difference. Two-thirds of our exports to Asia go to China, Japan, and Taiwan, and are mainly natural resources. 

So?  I didn’t say 100% of our trade would leave the US but there’s lots of room to, especially as the democracies look to reduce their reliance on countries like China for critical minerals and natural resources  

 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I don't disagree, but this is not something the government can change anytime soon. 

We have to start somewhere   TBH I think it’s the old baby boomers who are holding us back. This is the country that they built. For most of their life they were enamoured of USA and/or UK described Canada as little more than a lesser backwater British or American satellite rather than a “real country”.  Younger Canadians are much more more like to believe Canada ought to not take a backseat and they certainly don’t fawn over USA like previous generations did. . T

 

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Unfortunately, many other countries have tariffs and non-tariff barriers to prevent imports. China is a particularly bad actor in this.

We are the only G7 nation that has free trade with every other G7 nation amd with Trump’s trade hostility amd Russia/China aggression there is more interest in trading with the likes of Canada 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So its like the Khmer Orange or something. 

LMAO!

Yeah, i'll give you that one. That was funny   

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO your blatant partisanship is hilarious amd you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. I mean conservatives have been complaining since time immemorial that the environmental and indigenous consultation laws are authoritarian and should be repealed. And now you’re saying that bypassing those same laws to the cheers of conservatives is authoritarian. You’re hilarious. 

He’s said explicitly that to oil and gas pipelines are in scope where it makes sense. 
 

Wrong
 

Immigration curb slashes Canada population growth rate to zero

Tighter immigration rules have cut off the fuel from the Canadian population growth engine.

 

 

Tighter immigration rules have cut off the fuel from the Canadian population growth engine.

Article content

Canada added just 20,107 people in the first quarter, essentially no percentage change to quarterly population growth, compared with an average of 0.3 per cent over the past decade, Statistics Canada data showed Wednesday. Excluding the pandemic, it’s the slowest quarterly rate since comparable records began in 1946, tied with the fourth quarter of 2014.
 

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Carney’s government has introduced a bill with tougher rules on asylum claims, in addition to limits already in place on foreign students and workers. Lawmakers are set to debate the legislation on Wednesday. It’s an apparent move to deter international students from abusing the system and brace for a possible surge of refugees fleeing US President Donald Trump’s crackdown.

The government’s current immigration plan aims for a period of flat population growth before a return to a pace of expansion that’s closer to historical levels.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/immigration-curb-slashes-canada-population-growth-rate-to-zero
 

I don’t think that’s true at all. People are regularly screened and removed  

 

That I agree with.  But it’s the same small town brach plant mentality that’s been encouraged under both governments it’s not a left/right issue  it’s because of our historically colonial mentality and being in a unipolar bubble with USA the world’s largest superpower and economy being our only neighbour  

 

So?  I didn’t say 100% of our trade would leave the US but there’s lots of room to, especially as the democracies look to reduce their reliance on countries like China for critical minerals and natural resources  

 

We have to start somewhere   TBH I think it’s the old baby boomers who are holding us back. This is the country that they built. For most of their life they were enamoured of USA and/or UK described Canada as little more than a lesser backwater British or American satellite rather than a “real country”.  Younger Canadians are much more more like to believe Canada ought to not take a backseat and they certainly don’t fawn over USA like previous generations did. . T

 

We are the only G7 nation that has free trade with every other G7 nation amd with Trump’s trade hostility amd Russia/China aggression there is more interest in trading with the likes of Canada 

 

Ummm... your own link says that the zero population growth actually has growth  

And carney has said high immigration is coming back. 

" Liberal leader Mark Carney has proposed a series of reforms aimed at controlling population growth by placing new limits on immigration levels. These suggestions include capping temporary residents to 5% of the population by 2027 and setting permanent resident (PR) admissions to 1% of the population annually—approximately 400,000 newcomers per year.:"

So 400,000 new permanents a year,  allow the temporary to grow to 2 million which is double what we had under trudeau  and no restrictions on refugees. 

That is STILL very close to what it was under trudeau, higher than most years except the last one or two and definitelly MUCH higher than our increase in homes or medical services. 

Sooooo yeah. You were wrong on that one. 

[taxme]

On 7/3/2025 at 6:45 AM, ExFlyer said:

Ha Ha Ha

You have nothing. No point, not argument, no value.

I do not have to point out what makes the liberals great...it is too obvious and even you should grasp that. They have been in power for over 10 years and going for 4+ MORE YEARS. Canadians decided that.

The conservatives have been second for over 10 years and are going to be for 4+ MORE YEARS. 

The liberals have had one leader to win all those elections and now have a new one.

The conservatives have had 4 leaders in the time the liberals have been in power  and are recycling the last leader to lose the election (and his seat).

Those are all facts.

Best fact is that most Canadians have decided the liberals are better than the conservatives for the past 10+ and decided they will be the best for Canada for the next 4+ years.

So, if I need "another ten tries", then you are far less intelligent and politically blinded than I gave you credit for LOL

Ya-ya-ya. The conservatives lost. It would appear as though that is the only response that you can give me is the same old shit, the conservatives lost another election. And that only happened because the lieberals were once again allowed to lie and cheat during the election. There is no way that the lying lieberals could have won the last election honestly without cheating. You lieberals were the real losers in the last cheating election. The conservatives really did win the last election. 

Okay. So what you are really trying to say here comrade Stalin is that you have nothing to offer as far as how great the lieberals are and what they have done to help and keep Canada great. I accept the fact that you have lost and have nothing to offer here now on that so have a rotten egg day comrade Stalin and phk awf. Works for me!  🤮

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, taxme said:

Ya-ya-ya. The conservatives lost. It would appear as though that is the only response that you can give me is the same old shit, the conservatives lost another election. ...

 

comrade Stalin 

comrade Stalin  

I only say it because you seem to forget. Simple minds have short memories or is it short memories are on simple people??

Great, I am you comrade again.. could not do without my friendship...so nice of you. Ha Ha Ha

 

Some simple wisdom for you...if you need help understanding it...please ask

Edited July 4, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Nefarious Banana]

Carney:  'Elbows-up'  or  boot-licker'?

 

[Nefarious Banana]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

So its like the Khmer Orange or something. 

Not bad  . . . much better than Crimson Monkey!

[taxme]

On 7/3/2025 at 8:57 AM, BeaverFever said:

Bill C-5 for example allows Carney to just declare an oil pipeline or other project to be above the law and ignore any environmental concerns, laws or indigenous consultation that gets in the way.   His immigration crackdown is another. All rammed through parliament with barely any debate or examination. Conservatives must be creaming their jeans over those. 
 

These things are so controversially right wing only a Liberal has the running room to get away with doing them (for now). 
 

Because he has a minority government so he has to be bed buddies with someone and the stuff he wants to do is stuff like massively build up defence, build economic infrastructure, exploit national resources including fossil fuels, etc. And he wants to do it all with maximum speed, minimum red tape, minimum consultation, debate etc so that’s naturally more appealing to conservatives and less so to the NDP/BQ

 

 

What government protection?  We are the most foreign owned economy in the G7 and one of the most foreign owned in the G20. High wages is not a bad thing and our wages aren’t necessarily lower. Our lowest paid hourly workers maybe have slightly higher wages but salaries in the US are generally higher and on top of that US employers provide extremely expensive health insurance 

We are inefficient because decade after decade we’ve doubled down on being a “branch plant” economy  that does nothing except export crude raw materials or conduct basic mundane local transactions at the direction of a foreign-headquartered multinational company. 
 

So in summary none of what you said explains why we can trade with USA but redirecting trade to Europe and Asia “isn’t going happen” 

Secondly I would argue that decades of concentrating our trade with USA in particular and generally being indifferent to having a branch plant economy is precisely why our industry is inefficient. Like for decades the government policy was you clock in at the factory, you make your widgets, you clock out and you shouldn’t care whether the factory is Canadian owned or American owned or Japanese owned.  But of course, it makes a big difference who owns the factory and makes the decisions on where widgets get made, and who controls the patterns for them.

 

Well years ago Canadian businesses weren’t subject to Trump’s ridiculous tariffs and other that signing the trade deal governments didn’t feel motivated to do much else. Now there’s a ton of trade infrastructure and military equipment in the works and initiatives like ReArm Europe and concerted efforts to secure long-term contracts between Canadian industries and overseas partners. 
 

The government can only do so much to help businesses who “have problems because of the Americans” and everyone knows that if they don’t diversify they do so at their own risk. 
 

As I mentioned he shifted from saying he was  going to use “economic force”  to annex us against our will to saying “it takes two to tango”  and that he merely thinks it would be a good idea if Canadians chose to join USA. 
 

That’s just empty right wing rhetoric. 

What Canada needs is a real and true conservative leader like conservative Donald Trump. Why do lieberals like you always have to apply the words right wing to any conservative(believe in less government)groups or political parties and try to make conservatives appear as though they are a bunch of racists, Nazi's and white supremacists? 

Should i now start calling any lieberal group or a political lieberal party a bunch of left wing lieberal(anti-freedom)communist groups? 

By you constantly wanting to label conservatives has a bunch of right wingers, is that your silly ass way of trying to make conservatives look like a bunch of racists, Nazis, and white supremacists? 

You are just full of left wing communist lunacy nonsense. 🤡

[taxme]

42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I only say it because you seem to forget. Simple minds have short memories or is it short memories are on simple people??

Great, I am you comrade again.. could not do without my friendship...so nice of you. Ha Ha Ha

 

Some simple wisdom for you...if you need help understanding it...please ask

How can i forget, Stunned, when you constantly keep reminding me all the time here that the conservatives lost the election, Stunned. Well, it is for sure that you have a very low IQ simple mind because you continually keep repeating the same words over and over again. The conservatives lost the election, the conservatives lost the election. Conservatives make great leaders and they are of a sound and have great minds. Marxist like you Lieberals? 🤮

Sadly, for you commie lieberals like yourself who just cannot seem to notice this and get it thru your Stalinist comrade mind that conservatives are the greatest people on earth. Lieberals never built anything that was great for mankind. But they do know as to how to destroy all things decent and moral societies and give us all kinds of perversions instead.

It was freedom loving conservatives that help to make the world a better place to live in. Sadly for you, conservative President Trump is doing just that. Tryin to make the world a better place to live in. 

Stalin, face it, you are a lieberal commie troll loser with nothing ever to offer here or society. All you want to do is to try and create chaos and mayhem for the world. When was the last time that you started a new thread here? Is it because you have no idea as to how to do such a simple minded thing? 

Come on comrade, give us some great ideas and events to talk about? And please do not start a new thread with something like how the conservatives lost the last election. Chuckle-chuckle. 

PS: You must have a load of those down arrows in your basement apartment, eh? And every time you give me one, i chalk it up as just another win over our commie troll here by a conservative. 🤣

Edited July 4, 2025 by taxme

[taxme]

On 6/27/2025 at 11:36 AM, herbie said:

F*ck the bawling baby and his temper tantrums. He doesn't tell us what to do in our own country. Like a 3 year old that's never been spanked.
Well, really he does tell us what to do on a daily basis, but we need to tell him to f*ck right off.

Better still, Trump and conservatives need to tell commie buffoons like you to phk awf. What have you lieberal buffoons ever done to try and make Canada great, other then try and destroy a once great country, and then try and turn Canada into a Marxist 3rd world hell hole? You lieberal Marxists fools need to phk awf and let conservatives fix the bloody mess that you Marxist lieberals have done to try and destroy this once great Canada. 

The real temper tantrum crybabies here are the leftist liebearl commies like you who despise conservative President Trump for trying to get rid of lieberal/democrat communism in America and instead try to make America great again.  

Canada has a commie globalist leader in Ottawa who wants to destroy this once great country and turn it into a communist 3rd world hellhole. Canada is dead thanks to fools like yourself who voted for a globalist communist lieberal once again who despises freedom loving Canada. I sure wish that we had a leader like President Trump here in Canada. 😇

[herbie]

Commie globalist. Yet another good one. Marxist billionaires control the world.........

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Carney:  'Elbows-up'  or  boot-licker'?

 

Boot licker according to the famous liberal ex international trade minister lloyd Axworthy :

Carney taking 'bootlicking' approach to Trump, says former Liberal cabinet minister | CBC.ca

That guy is pretty famous for dealing with difficult international negotiations, and he's a liberal.  Soooo  hard to disregard that, 

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, herbie said:

Commie globalist. Yet another good one. Marxist billionaires control the world.........

What do you think about when a mega-yacht cruisin', private jet flyin' billionaire with 8 luxury properties scattered all over the globe lectures you about your carbon footprint, herbie? 

Hewbie: "Geez, that guy prolly has forty-fify-six gungillean dollerz, I haf ta lissen 2 him 4 nollidge."

What do you think about when Nancy Pelosi promises sanctuary cities and the right to vote, medical treatment, etc to illegals if they just get across the border? Do you think that they:

• compete with Nancy for work, driving down the wages in congress
• raise the rents in her neighbourhood
• commit crimes in her neighbourhood

or do they do all that to the poorest American neighbourhoods, while Nancy and her friends benefit from:

• hiring cheap, under-the-table labour for slaughterhouses and other awful jobs
• cheaper nannies
• cheaper gardeners
• higher rents for slum accommodations, etc?

Herbie, every single policy that makes you think that the LPOC/demonrats are looking out for the li'l folk is actually really bad for them.

Every single policy that makes you think that the LPOC/demonrats are looking out for the planet is actually really bad for people in North America, but its good for China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. 

The Saudis and Iranians don't want us making oil. The Chinese want our coal. The Chinese want us to use the batteries that they make and the other green tech that they make. You're not sticking up for the planet when you listen to Greta, you're being a stooge for our main geopolitical adversaries.

 One last thing: I hate left4rds more than cancer. 

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, taxme said:

How can i forget, Stunned, when you constantly keep reminding me all the time here that the conservatives lost the election, Stunned. .....

PS: You must have a load of those down arrows in your basement apartment, eh? A.

Yup, gotta keep reminding you that conservatives lost the election and so did you leader.

Stunned? Yes by the fact that you have had 4 leaders in the last 4 elections that lost and the one you got now you are going to punt out a real conservative to give the LOSER a place to run for a seat cause he lost the seat he has held for 20m year.

Yup, stunned for sure at how foolish conservatives are LOL

As for downvotes..tit for tat, you give and I give back.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO your blatant partisanship is hilarious amd you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. I mean conservatives have been complaining since time immemorial that the environmental and indigenous consultation laws are authoritarian and should be repealed.

He hasn't repealed them. And when asked then if pipelines could be put in even if a province didn't want them, he acted shocked. He said absolutely not. Nothing will be done unless the provinces and indigenous people agree. You believe every press release a liberal sends out, don't you? Do you ever even apply some thinking power to it or do you just suck it down and sigh in envy of their greatness and wisdom?

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s said explicitly that to oil and gas pipelines are in scope where it makes sense. 

I think it's acceptable to kill babies, too... where it makes sense...

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Tighter immigration rules have cut off the fuel from the Canadian population growth engine.

That's nice. Carney has said the immigration number at 400k, with a rise each year thereafter.

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Canada added just 20,107 people in the first quarter, essentially no percentage change to quarterly population growth

 

Are you forgetting he's set the number of temporary residents at 5% - which is about four times higher than it was under Harper, but never mind that. The numbers need to come down substantially to reach that, and they're not coming down yet. The 'lack of growth' is likely caused by some of them leaving as more immigrants are dropped off.

The population needs to actually shrink to reach his 5% goal. 

 And we're still getting close to 200k 'refugees' a year, as well.

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Carney’s government has introduced a bill with tougher rules on asylum claims, in addition to limits already in place on foreign students and workers

Good idea. But we also need to stop the flood of people at the border, either the US or international through flights. We need to ban anyone who came here from a safe third country from filing an asylum claim, as well as anyone who shows up without papers, because they destroyed them en route. We also need to change the system that evaluates refugee claims. As long as we're accepting 87% of claims, people from all over the world will continue to flock here claiming they're refugees.

 

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The government’s current immigration plan aims for a period of flat population growth before a return to a pace of expansion that’s closer to historical levels.

That is their plan that as people arrive, the temporary people will leave. I don't think it will work as well as they seem to believe, but we'll see. Historical levels? I'd like to know what 'historical levels' are because he's set the numbers at 1% of the population and that certainly has not been the case prior to Trudeau. Often when Immigration boosters use that phrase they're talking about the numbers from the early twentieth century, say, or just after WW2. And that number is far too high in this day and age.

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t think that’s true at all. People are regularly screened and removed  

We do not screen anyone coming in except to ask if they have a criminal record. And we weren't even doing that for foreign students. Their names are checked against known terrorists, but that's it. There's no interview to assess the likelihood of their being successful at integrating, and no interview to assess their qualifications in the profession they allege they are in. If they happen to be a fundamentalist Muslim who thinks Jews and gays should be killed and women are whores if they show their legs, we just smile and wave them on in. I think all immigrants should be interviewed.

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So?  I didn’t say 100% of our trade would leave the US but there’s lots of room to, especially as the democracies look to reduce their reliance on countries like China for critical minerals and natural resources  

I'm sure we can rack up sales for resources if the Liberals allow us to develop them. And I have doubts about that. But selling manufactured goods to places like China and Japan? I just don't see it.

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

We are the only G7 nation that has free trade with every other G7 nation amd with Trump’s trade hostility amd Russia/China aggression there is more interest in trading with the likes of Canada 

Trading with other industrial nations is a matter of efficient manufacturing unless you're speaking of natural resources. And our manufacturing is just not very efficient compared to the EU, Japan or China. Nor will it get much better as long as the government immediately steps in to prop up inefficient companies like Iriving and Bombardier. 

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

So its like the Khmer Orange or something. 

LMAO!

All the Left are authoritarian-minded. The Khmer Rouge were just what happens when they win. Every socialist government morphs into authoritarianism because it believes it is on a just and noble endeavor to uplift the human race and make life better for all. So they don't see people as just having a disagreement. If you are opposed to them then you're opposed to making life better for people. Which makes you evil. Which means you aren't to be debated, but have to be stopped. Thus you have the NDP proposing that people who disagree with the narrative on residential schools be jailed and the Liberals proposing people be imprisoned for what they MIGHT  write or say.