Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

DST is nothing more than a negotiation tool for Trump in the trade discussions.  

Traditionally you wouldn't see a negotiating tool that ends all negotiations

It's not a negotiating tool, he thinks he can beat the crap out of Carney and Carney will do what he's told if he pushes him around. And he's probably right, Carney will probably have to give up that tax and he won't get anything for it.

And this will not be the last example. Trump will still be looking to beat us up on supply management and a couple of other things and we're going to have tariffs forever.

Carney absolutely lied when he said he could handle trump. He said he knew how to negotiate with trump and he has failed, he took all our tariffs off but the Americans still have theirs on and have increased them. Now they won't even talk to us. He said to help offset the problems he would have a free trade deal done with all of the provinces so that we would have more economic trade within Canada and he promised it by July 1st. We're not even remotely close to anything like that.

We picked the wrong guy. And now canadians will pay a price for that

[Barquentine]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Man cannot control the climate.

Well we've already  proven we can make it worse. No reason to think we can't make it better.

"London does not still get "pea soup" smog. The infamous "pea soup" fogs, caused by coal smoke and other pollutants, were largely eliminated due to the Clean Air Acts of 1956 and 1968, which were later consolidated into the Clean Air Act 1993. These acts significantly reduced emissions from coal fires and other sources that contributed to the smog."

When I was there in the 80's car exhaust made the air blue by 9 am each day. However:

"London’s air quality has improved much faster and more dramatically than the rest of the UK thanks to the actions of the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, according to a new report published today. Annual roadside NO2 concentrations across the capital have been nearly halved (49 per cent) between 2016 and 2023, while preliminary figures indicate London NO2 levels were the lowest on record in 2023."

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Well we've already  proven we can make it worse. No reason to think we can't make it better.

"London does not still get "pea soup" smog. The infamous "pea soup" fogs, caused by coal smoke and other pollutants, were largely eliminated due to the Clean Air Acts of 1956 and 1968, which were later consolidated into the Clean Air Act 1993. These acts significantly reduced emissions from coal fires and other sources that contributed to the smog."

When I was there in the 80's car exhaust made the air blue by 9 am each day. However:

 

That's pollution. Not climate change. There's no doubt that man is the primary source of pollution in major Metro areas and absolutely we can do things about that. But that has not got anything to do with climate change. Climate change is a completely different subject. For example despite the fact that the pea soup fog has vanished, people are still claiming that climate change is an issue. They're not related

[Barquentine]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

That's pollution. Not climate change.

And what is one of the biggest causes of climate change? Pollution on a world-wide level! 

[Legato]

38 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

And what is one of the biggest causes of climate change? Pollution on a world-wide level! 

Which is/are?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

And what is one of the biggest causes of climate change? Pollution on a world-wide level! 

No, greenhouse gas emissions are and that is not even remotely the same as "pollution".  Carbon emissions often accompany pollution but they are not pollution.

Well, I guess that's the sound of your credibility on the subject swirling around the toilet bowl. Seriously, read a book. Climate change and pollution are two separate issues. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Now he has added the abolition of supply management to his list of demands. Has anybody explained to him that the US: has a big surplus in dairy products with Canada and an enormous surplus in agricultural produce overall (nobody buys more of their eggs than we do); subsidizes its own farmers; and employs thousands of undocumented workers to milk its cows, meaning that Trump effectively wants us to accept the proceeds of crime. 

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https://www.fas.usda.gov/data/commodities/dairy-products

 

 

Edited June 29, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Now he has added the abolition of supply management to his list of demands. Has anybody explained to him that the US: has a big surplus in dairy products with Canada and an enormous surplus in agricultural produce overall (nobody buys more of their eggs than we do); subsidizes its own farmers; and employs thousands of undocumented workers to milk its cows, meaning that Trump effectively wants us to accept the proceeds of crime. 

 

 

This has been on his radar since the last time he renegotiated the free trade deal. In fact as you'll recall we gave up some ground on supply management back then and allowed more American products into the country.

He just wants it gone, and his theory is if the Americans know they are allowed to import as much as they want they will flood the market and we will only buy American Products because they're cheaper. And they are cheaper because the American government subsidizes them.

Why the supply management farmers absolutely want this off the table. If the restrictions are removed then America will re-gear itself towards flooding our market which they don't currently.

This is the very reason we have supply management. One of its primary purposes was always to guarantee that our industry survived in the face of American subsidized farm output.

[herbie]

 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

DST is nothing more than a negotiation tool for Trump in the trade discussions.  Get this tax revenue from another bucket in the trade deal, and pause or concede the DST to give Trump the biggest win ever to stroke his ego so we can move on and get a new trade deal signed.

Just ignore him. That isn’t negotiation, it’s just a bully trying to intimidate. Don’t play his game.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Well we've already  proven we can make it worse. No reason to think we can't make it better.

"London does not still get "pea soup" smog. The infamous "pea soup" fogs, caused by coal smoke and other pollutants, were largely eliminated due to the Clean Air Acts of 1956 and 1968, which were later consolidated into the Clean Air Act 1993. These acts significantly reduced emissions from coal fires and other sources that contributed to the smog."

When I was there in the 80's car exhaust made the air blue by 9 am each day. However:

"London’s air quality has improved much faster and more dramatically than the rest of the UK thanks to the actions of the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, according to a new report published today. Annual roadside NO2 concentrations across the capital have been nearly halved (49 per cent) between 2016 and 2023, while preliminary figures indicate London NO2 levels were the lowest on record in 2023."

Yes.  Man can regulate the amount of air pollution by regulations, but that has nothing to do with the climate.  I hope you understand the difference.  Man cannot control the climate.  

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Now he has added the abolition of supply management to his list of demands. Has anybody explained to him that the US: has a big surplus in dairy products with Canada and an enormous surplus in agricultural produce overall (nobody buys more of their eggs than we do); subsidizes its own farmers; and employs thousands of undocumented workers to milk its cows, meaning that Trump effectively wants us to accept the proceeds of crime. 

 

 

We don’t charge a 400% tariff on anything but maybe we should take the lying scumbag at his word and and start charging a 200% tariff on all dairy products instead of just those that exceed the quota’s he negotiated under USMCA. If he can break trade agreements, so can we.

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, User said:

No point in going any farther. This is already so incredibly dishonest. Let's review:

First, you make the ignorant/dishonest claim that this is a Trump/MAGA issue. 
Second, after I call you out on this and explain how it wasn't, you balk, trying to say my comment is irrelevant - a dishonest tactic, as it was clearly relevant. 
Third, after I call you out on your dishonest schtick above, you give a half-hearted concession, saying you will retract the MAGA comments if I want you to
NOW, after all that crap, you take back your concession and double-down say you were not wrong... 

 

Nope that’s not a correct summary. I said it was MAGA, you said its also Dems and I said fine it’s also dems and American politicians on both sides are bought and paid for. That’s all. 

And now this is all you can focus on because you know you have no other arguments to make on this DST topic. An nowTrump is spouting even more lies about Canadian dairy

[User]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope that’s not a correct summary. I said it was MAGA, you said its also Dems and I said fine it’s also dems and American politicians on both sides are bought and paid for. That’s all. 

Yeah, except you were not making some passing comment as if it could also be Dems... you were outright making this some Trump / MAGA issue. 

This was you:

"The MAGAs simply want to impose their ideology and remake us in their image and Trump wants to serve his tech bro clients  "

It was not a comment open to simply adding on, well OK, Dems too. 

You were just outright wrong. 

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And now this is all you can focus on because you know you have no other arguments to make on this DST topic. An nowTrump is spouting even more lies about Canadian dairy

No, I am just used to your silly games, no point in going past that first comment. You don't get to talk about all I can focus on when you ran away from your other dishonest position about right-wing vs left-wing violence. 

 

[ExFlyer]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

We don’t charge a 400% tariff on anything but maybe we should take the lying scumbag at his word and and start charging a 200% tariff on all dairy products instead of just those that exceed the quota’s he negotiated under USMCA. If he can break trade agreements, so can we.

I saw on the news that we do have a 400% tariff but it is on some dairy products if they try to sell us more than the previously agreed upon amount.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

This has been on his radar since the last time he renegotiated the free trade deal. In fact as you'll recall we gave up some ground on supply management back then and allowed more American products into the country.

He just wants it gone, and his theory is if the Americans know they are allowed to import as much as they want they will flood the market and we will only buy American Products because they're cheaper. And they are cheaper because the American government subsidizes them.

Why the supply management farmers absolutely want this off the table. If the restrictions are removed then America will re-gear itself towards flooding our market which they don't currently.

This is the very reason we have supply management. One of its primary purposes was always to guarantee that our industry survived in the face of American subsidized farm output.

Well said, I will add that the US has its OWN restrictions on dairy imports, above a certain quota they are not just tariffed they’re completely BANNED in the USA. 

So if a Canadians were dumb enough to want buy America’s artificial growth hormone-filled milk and watch their toddler grow a pair of DD cup breasts we could, if we wanted to pay the tariff.   But Americans who want to buy some pure unadulterated Canadian milk are criminals once the quota is reached.   

And Canada already imports more US dairy products than vice-versa. 

[Barquentine]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

greenhouse gas emissions are and that is not even remotely the same as "pollution". 

Google AI
Yes, greenhouse gases are considered a form of pollution because their increased concentration in the atmosphere, primarily due to human activities, leads to climate change and its associated negative impacts.

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (.gov)
Fuel & Energy is the top polluter, contributing to around 75% of global greenhouse gas emissions, mainly through fossil fuels like coal, gas, and oil. Agriculture and food production account for up to 18% of emissions, largely from livestock, land-use changes, and ammonia pollution .Jun 10, 2025

https://www.nrdc.org › stories › greenhouse-effect-101
The release of greenhouse gases associated with human activities and climate change is referred to as greenhouse gas emissions, or climate pollution.

https://airqoon.com › resources › articles 
Air pollutants and greenhouse gases are one of the most critical concerns of our age, leading to climate change and causing health problems worldwide.

As hard as you wish, your dumbass opinions are not fact! If you spent 1/10th as much time learning as you do spouting off, well , you'd still be an imbecile.

[LinkSoul60]

7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

DST is nothing more than a negotiation tool for Trump in the trade discussions.  Get this tax revenue from another bucket in the trade deal, and pause or concede the DST to give Trump the biggest win ever to stroke his ego so we can move on and get a new trade deal signed.

 

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Traditionally you wouldn't see a negotiating tool that ends all negotiations

It's not a negotiating tool, he thinks he can beat the crap out of Carney and Carney will do what he's told if he pushes him around. And he's probably right, Carney will probably have to give up that tax and he won't get anything for it.

And this will not be the last example. Trump will still be looking to beat us up on supply management and a couple of other things and we're going to have tariffs forever.

Carney absolutely lied when he said he could handle trump. He said he knew how to negotiate with trump and he has failed, he took all our tariffs off but the Americans still have theirs on and have increased them. Now they won't even talk to us. He said to help offset the problems he would have a free trade deal done with all of the provinces so that we would have more economic trade within Canada and he promised it by July 1st. We're not even remotely close to anything like that.

We picked the wrong guy. And now canadians will pay a price for that

No negotiations have ended. They're still talking.

Carney's doing just fine in dealing with the petulant little child.  

Wouldn't expect any other sort of thought from you.

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Just ignore him. That isn’t negotiation, it’s just a bully trying to intimidate. Don’t play his game.

It's how the child negotiates so it is what is. Play his game, just better. He's taking heat for lack of deals and motivated to finish this. Get the expected revenue elsewhere, give the *assh0le something to go on tv with and move on.

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's how the child negotiates so it is what is. Play his game, just better. He's taking heat for lack of deals and motivated to finish this. Get the expected revenue elsewhere, give the *assh0le something to go on tv with and move on.

I’ve never been good at indulging spoiled children and their tantrums.

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I’ve never been good at indulging spoiled children and their tantrums.

What did you think of Chrystia Freeland saying that "we should form stronger alliances with countries like France and Britain that have nukes, and can protect us"?

Or when we announced the "Canada-Europe Defence Partnership"? 

Is Carney gonna make the mainland US our 11th province and Alaska our 4th territory now? 

Trump must be quivering in his boots. Prices are probably way up there and way down here. 

[WestCanMan]

Left4rd summary: "Twumpo is a baby 😭! Carney is WINNING! EL-BOWS UP!!! EL-BOWS UP!!! EL-BOWS UP!!!"

😂

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Well said, I will add that the US has its OWN restrictions on dairy imports, above a certain quota they are not just tariffed they’re completely BANNED in the USA. 

So if a Canadians were dumb enough to want buy America’s artificial growth hormone-filled milk and watch their toddler grow a pair of DD cup breasts we could, if we wanted to pay the tariff.   But Americans who want to buy some pure unadulterated Canadian milk are criminals once the quota is reached.   

And Canada already imports more US dairy products than vice-versa. 

Yeah, it's really a null issue except that there are a bunch of American politicians who are absolutely convinced that they can sell tons and tons of product to Canada if only it weren't for these restrictions.

And let's be realistic, this is the guy who thought he was subsidizing Canada because there was a trade deficit which actually worked in America's favor.

He gets things in his head and then they're stuck there and like I said the whole supply management thing has been a Bugaboo for him going back to his first term.

It puts carney in a very difficult position though. The simple fact is if we reduced the tariffs or made changes probably not a lot would happen, and chances are the amount of product imported wouldn't radically change. So on one hand you would say why not make trump happy and do it I'll be done with it. However the Canadian dairy producers will go bat crap crazy if carney even considers it. The milk Mafia in Canada is nothing to sneeze at and they hold a rather surprising amount of political clout. And this is true for either the conservatives or the liberals.

So carney is going to be stuck being pressured to do something that we probably don't really need to worry about that much but that he'll get killed for if he doesn't. Meanwhile, trump will be trying to kill him for it and unreasonably demanding that it stop.

And you know what the real kick in the teeth is? It hasn't even been 6 months since trump took office  Carney has 3.5 more years of this to deal with. 

Edited June 30, 2025 by CdnFox

[herbie]

They never hit the quota limit to pay the tariff.
Because we don't want their milk and dairy. We have our own that's always there and supply and prices don't bounce around. That's WHY we have it.
And if you want to talk about cheating just slice up some shit and call it pepperoni to mix in with the cheese and you can take over (already did!) supplying all the Cdn pizza market.
How's about using litres like the real world does so your product doesn't look smaller like it does and is on the shelf? Want access without any taxes or even the least bit of effort, do you?

Just can't comprehend the lying sack of shit in the White House is constantly lying to everyone and is so stupid he can't distinguish threats from negotiations.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What did you think of Chrystia Freeland saying that "we should form stronger alliances with countries like France and Britain that have nukes, and can protect us"?

Or when we announced the "Canada-Europe Defence Partnership"? 

Is Carney gonna make the mainland US our 11th province and Alaska our 4th territory now? 

Trump must be quivering in his boots. Prices are probably way up there and way down here. 

Should be pretty obvious even to you that the US under Trump is more of a threat to us than an ally .

The rest of your post is just id*otic nonsense.