Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[ExFlyer]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're admitting you .

Carney Failed. .

I admit Carney and his team is doing what is best for Canada. You have no proof otherwise so, like always , you are full of conjecture and unsubstantiated BS LOL

Carney has not failed at all...he has delayed the inevitable and that actually, is a win

You know nothing for fact.

 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I admit Carney and his team is doing what is best for Canada.

 

So in your opinion Canada becoming the 51st state is what's best for Canada? Because that's what carney is doing currently

Wow, it really didn't take very long for your boy to start screwing up did it?  If he doesn't smart enough he's going to make Joe Clark look like a long-term prime minister

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So in your opinion Canada becoming the 51st state is what's best for Canada? Because that's what carney is doing currently

Wow, ...

Nope, in my opinion, Carney and his negotiations team is doing what is best for Canada.

Your interpretation, as usual, are false, BS and totally expected form a LOSER

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, in my opinion, Carney and his negotiations team is doing what is best for Canada.

 

Whether he means to or not he's selling us out to trump. I guess that tells us all we need to know about you

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Whether he means to or not he's selling us out to trump. I guess that tells us all we need to know about you

LOSERS do not get to know.. Get over yourself.... you are a LOSER  LOL

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

LOSERS do not get to know.. 

Well that certainly does explain why you don't get to know what literally everybody else in Canada has figured out.  

Carney got bent over. And he didn't get anything in return either. Not so much elbows up as trousers down it would seem.

We can only hope he will do better

[ExFlyer]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Well that certainly does explain why you don't get to know what l...

 

 

Certainly explains why no one tells you anything important LOL

Good bye LOSER.

Gonna go out for dinner and watch the fireworks on Parliament Hill.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Certainly explains why no one tells you anything important LOL

 

Everybody tells me things that are important. That's how I know carney screwed up and why you don't  

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Gonna go out for dinner and watch the fireworks on Parliament Hill.

Oh that's nice, your folks taking you to chuck E cheese again?   

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well that certainly does explain why you don't get to know what literally everybody else in Canada has figured out.  

Carney got bent over. 

We can only hope he will do better

Everybody else in Canada figured out PP and the conservatives were still LOSERS, after 10 years of dubious liberal leadership, they conservatives and PP could still not win the election LOL

Carney was tactical and still is and will get the right deal for Canada. You don't need to "hope" he will.

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Everybody tells me things that are important. That's how I know carney screwed up and why you don't  

 

Don't flatter yourself...you are a ZERO...aA LOSER. No one says anything to you that is worth knowing. You just make sh1t up or spew BS LOL

[BeaverFever]

While some have suggested that Carney was always willing to trade the DST and may have done so to show they’re bargaining in good faith and get trump to “use up” one of his demands (e.g. “we already gave you x now it’s your turn to give up something”), it really doesn’t feel that is how it went down. 
 

Best I can tell is that the Liberals thought they  had until July 21 to finalize a deal and wouldn’t have to commit to anything before then. But of course the DST would have come into effect before then and they should have expected Trump would make an immediate demand against it even though the negotiation deadline is far away. They could have postponed its implementation just to get it out of the way for now and dangle its cancellation later. Instead they are fully repealing the legislation, not just suspending its implementation or setting the tax rate to zero like the did with the carbon tax and they got for it was resumed negotiation and obnoxious gloating from the Trumposphere so it seems to be a misplay, IMO. 

Edited July 2, 2025 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

While some have suggested that Carney was always willing to trade the DST and may have done so to show they’re bargaining in good faith and get trump to “use up” one of his demands (e.g. “we already gave you x now it’s your turn to give up something”), it really doesn’t feel that is how it went down. 

Yeah, that would be complete bullshit. Trump isn't going to care what they "already gave", if you give him something that just means you'll give him more in his books. 

You take it off the table when he takes something off the table. That's how these negotiations work. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

They could have postponed its implementation just to get it out of the way for now and dangle its cancellation later. Instead they are fully repealing the legislation, not just suspending its implementation or setting the tax rate to zero like the did with the carbon tax and they got for it was resumed negotiation and obnoxious gloating from the Trumposphere so it seems to be a misplay, IMO. 

Pulling a 'trump' and postponing it for 30 days 'to see how negotiations went' would have been smart. But i think it's pretty obvious he wanted to keep it and didn't want it to be on the table.  He wanted that tax revenue. 

I think the problem here is that he's very desperate for a deal to be finished this month. I'm not even sure why, i get he's put that out there and he doesn't want to look bad but i don't think it's that big a deal.  So he couldn't afford for talks to be stalled. I think trump knew he was desperate to hit his deadline and exploited it 

Now that trump signed a deal with china he's going to be in no rush to sign one with us. But carney is in a hurry for whatever reason. That's not a great place to be. 

[taxme]

On 7/1/2025 at 9:54 AM, ExFlyer said:

Once again, you have no clues. 

You have no idea what is going on.

Your imaginations is seriously flawed and has no reality .

I do believe and think that clueless has to be your middle name, troll? 

Idea? Do you even know where you are right now, clueless? Grandma's basement by chance, clueless? 

Your imagination has really taken over your clueless head, clueless. According to you imagination, lieberals are supposed to be great. But yet, you cannot even point out to me as to where and how lieberals are supposed to be so great, clueless. 

But i am willing to give you another ten tries, if you need that many. 🤡

[taxme]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah, that would be complete bullshit. Trump isn't going to care what they "already gave", if you give him something that just means you'll give him more in his books. 

You take it off the table when he takes something off the table. That's how these negotiations work. 

Pulling a 'trump' and postponing it for 30 days 'to see how negotiations went' would have been smart. But i think it's pretty obvious he wanted to keep it and didn't want it to be on the table.  He wanted that tax revenue. 

I think the problem here is that he's very desperate for a deal to be finished this month. I'm not even sure why, i get he's put that out there and he doesn't want to look bad but i don't think it's that big a deal.  So he couldn't afford for talks to be stalled. I think trump knew he was desperate to hit his deadline and exploited it 

Now that trump signed a deal with china he's going to be in no rush to sign one with us. But carney is in a hurry for whatever reason. That's not a great place to be. 

Carney is just another lieberal globalist greenie loser, and as a lieberal globalist greenie loser, Corney will never win against Trump. What Trump is doing is he is fighting globalism, while Corney is trying to keep globalism in Canada alive and well here in Canada. The elite WEF globalists love their Corney, while that elite WEF globalist ilk hate Trump. Another four more years of that dictator in Ottawa, and Canada will not be the old Canada anymore. Corney will make sure of that by bringing in millions and millions of 3rd world unneeded and unwanted useless beings. That is how you destroy a country. Facts are facts, man. 😇

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But carney is in a hurry for whatever reason

I think they know it’s practically pointless to try and talk sense into Trump given how unhinged, uninformed and untrustworthy he is. They know they have to show Canadians they’re making their best effort and maybe that will mitigate some of their losses but mostly a lost cause and they want to move on to diversifying away from the US, and building up the domestic economy. They’ve said repeatedly they’re not going to endlessly go round and round with Trump and they’re done with the “psychodrama” as Melanie Joly put it. As Carney said, they’ll take all the time takes to secure the best possible deal, but no more. 

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I think they know it’s practically pointless to try and talk sense into Trump given how unhinged, uninformed and untrustworthy he is.

I would think that would argue for a longer game, not a short one.

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They know they have to show Canadians they’re making their best effort and maybe that will mitigate some of their losses but mostly a lost cause and they want to move on to diversifying away from the US, and building up the domestic economy.

But the problem is that's not what he ran on. He ran his election on being able to handle trump and deal with the situation, not just cave in and give up and give America whatever it wants and then move on. Which is what is happening at the moment.

People will not like that. They did not sign on for him to sign away Canada

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They’ve said repeatedly they’re not going to endlessly go round and round with Trump and they’re done with the “psychodrama” as Melanie Joly put it. As Carney said, they’ll take all the time takes to secure the best possible deal, but no more. 

But they've already failed. Giving up the tax is not our best possible deal. It's not even as good a deal as other people got, you kid didn't have to give it up.

You can't just say oh well I guess I couldn't do any better than this and sign away all of Canada. And so far that's exactly what he's done.

If trump's going to be a problem and he's not going to give us a better deal than what we've got right at the moment then you just stall. There will come a point when he's got other things that are bigger fish to fry and you can show up and be a thorn in his side and then he will be more interested in dealing with you and making you go away. But bowing down to him only encourages him to take more and people will see that

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, taxme said:

I do believe and think that clueless has to be your middle name, troll? 

Idea? Do you even know where you are right now, clueless? Grandma's basement by chance, clueless? 

Your imagination has really taken over your clueless head, clueless. According to you imagination, lieberals are supposed to be great. But yet, you cannot even point out to me as to where and how lieberals are supposed to be so great, clueless. 

But i am willing to give you another ten tries, if you need that many. 🤡

Ha Ha Ha

You have nothing. No point, not argument, no value.

I do not have to point out what makes the liberals great...it is too obvious and even you should grasp that. They have been in power for over 10 years and going for 4+ MORE YEARS. Canadians decided that.

The conservatives have been second for over 10 years and are going to be for 4+ MORE YEARS. 

The liberals have had one leader to win all those elections and now have a new one.

The conservatives have had 4 leaders in the time the liberals have been in power  and are recycling the last leader to lose the election (and his seat).

Those are all facts.

Best fact is that most Canadians have decided the liberals are better than the conservatives for the past 10+ and decided they will be the best for Canada for the next 4+ years.

So, if I need "another ten tries", then you are far less intelligent and politically blinded than I gave you credit for LOL

[Nationalist]

Look at these Libbies. All behind a liar and a thief who sold them all a bill of goods. The carney has bent over for Trump over and over now. 

"Hurray! We won!"

Lol...what you dumb little sh1ts will never admit is, you "won" the direction you arch nemesis wants Canada to go in.

"Elbows Up"...twits.

Edited July 3, 2025 by Nationalist

[SpankyMcFarland]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

Carney is just another lieberal globalist greenie loser, and as a lieberal globalist greenie loser, Corney will never win against Trump. What Trump is doing is he is fighting globalism, while Corney is trying to keep globalism in Canada alive and well here in Canada. 😇

The tech companies who oppose the DST and forced Trump’s hand look pretty globalist to me. They make a whole lot of money outside the US and like to keep a fair bit of it there too. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha Ha Ha

You have nothing. No point, not argument, no value.

 

That's what you post every single time you're losing   LOL

Looks like you won this round @taxme

[BeaverFever]

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Please name these things conservatives couldn't get away with. Also, why does Carney need to keep the Conservatives on side?

Bill C-5 for example allows Carney to just declare an oil pipeline or other project to be above the law and ignore any environmental concerns, laws or indigenous consultation that gets in the way.   His immigration crackdown is another. All rammed through parliament with barely any debate or examination. Conservatives must be creaming their jeans over those. 
 

These things are so controversially right wing only a Liberal has the running room to get away with doing them (for now). 
 

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Also, why does Carney need to keep the Conservatives on side?

Because he has a minority government so he has to be bed buddies with someone and the stuff he wants to do is stuff like massively build up defence, build economic infrastructure, exploit national resources including fossil fuels, etc. And he wants to do it all with maximum speed, minimum red tape, minimum consultation, debate etc so that’s naturally more appealing to conservatives and less so to the NDP/BQ

 

 

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Not going to happen. Government protection has ensured what industry remains here is inefficient and expensive due to taxes, high regulations, and high wages.

What government protection?  We are the most foreign owned economy in the G7 and one of the most foreign owned in the G20. High wages is not a bad thing and our wages aren’t necessarily lower. Our lowest paid hourly workers maybe have slightly higher wages but salaries in the US are generally higher and on top of that US employers provide extremely expensive health insurance 

We are inefficient because decade after decade we’ve doubled down on being a “branch plant” economy  that does nothing except export crude raw materials or conduct basic mundane local transactions at the direction of a foreign-headquartered multinational company. 
 

So in summary none of what you said explains why we can trade with USA but redirecting trade to Europe and Asia “isn’t going happen” 

Secondly I would argue that decades of concentrating our trade with USA in particular and generally being indifferent to having a branch plant economy is precisely why our industry is inefficient. Like for decades the government policy was you clock in at the factory, you make your widgets, you clock out and you shouldn’t care whether the factory is Canadian owned or American owned or Japanese owned.  But of course, it makes a big difference who owns the factory and makes the decisions on where widgets get made, and who controls the patterns for them.

 

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

With 'great success'. Meaning some agreement that doesn't matter. We signed a trade agreement with most of Asia years ago. What's that gotten us? Canadian businesses aren't going to take a chance on new customers. And if they run into problems because of the Americans, they'll just come running to the government for help.

Well years ago Canadian businesses weren’t subject to Trump’s ridiculous tariffs and other that signing the trade deal governments didn’t feel motivated to do much else. Now there’s a ton of trade infrastructure and military equipment in the works and initiatives like ReArm Europe and concerted efforts to secure long-term contracts between Canadian industries and overseas partners. 
 

The government can only do so much to help businesses who “have problems because of the Americans” and everyone knows that if they don’t diversify they do so at their own risk. 
 

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

Trump said Canada should be the 51st state last week.

As I mentioned he shifted from saying he was  going to use “economic force”  to annex us against our will to saying “it takes two to tango”  and that he merely thinks it would be a good idea if Canadians chose to join USA. 
 

On 6/30/2025 at 10:11 AM, I am Groot said:

The most important thing this country needs to do is cut spending and cut regulations. Business and industry are drowning in regulations, and the government gives far too much money out to businesses and a ridiculous variety of organizations that are of no value to the taxpayer. Every ethnic, racial, gender, sexual, climate, poverty, and cultural group in this country has its hands in my pocket. All that needs to stop.

That’s just empty right wing rhetoric. 

[LinkSoul60]

On 7/1/2025 at 11:07 AM, CdnFox said:

So you're admitting you were wrong and have no argument but you feel the need to cry and lash out in order to try and make your ego feel better?

That does sound like you  

Carney Failed. No amount of crying on your part is going to change that. All you can do is hope that he does better next time. But unfortunately for all of us next time is going to be harder for him because of this time

Carney Failed.

Really....  between the two countries there is close to 1 trillion in trade annually.  Conceding a sore point that is ~1.4B annually and not unanimously received anyway is hardly failing.

[BeaverFever]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I would think that would argue for a longer game, not a short one.

The long game is to fundamentally restructure the Canadian economy and diversify away from USA. That will be the ongoing project that will take years. Going back and forth with Trump over exactly how much economic vandalism he is going to commit over the next few months is the short game. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But the problem is that's not what he ran on. He ran his election on being able to handle trump and deal with the situation, not just cave in and give up and give America whatever it wants and then move on. Which is what is happening at the moment.

People will not like that. They did not sign on for him to sign away Canada

Well I don’t think he’s caved in although seemingly he had a give with respect to DST. I don’t think he’s going to give America “whatever it wants” but he never said Canada wouldn’t have to give up anything. It’s a negotiation and negotiations mean give and take.   Trump is trying to take our lunch money, we’re not trying to take anything from Trump, therefore a totally unrealistic one-sided Canadian victory where Carney wipes the floor with Trump would only mean things remain the way they were before, with nobody having gained or lost anything. Anything short of that, which is reality, means Canada gives up something vis-a-vis the US and we will need to replace that with domestic trade and increased trade with other countries. 
 

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But they've already failed. Giving up the tax is not our best possible deal. It's not even as good a deal as other people got, you kid didn't have to give it up.

You can't just say oh well I guess I couldn't do any better than this and sign away all of Canada. And so far that's exactly what he's done.

If trump's going to be a problem and he's not going to give us a better deal than what we've got right at the moment then you just stall. There will come a point when he's got other things that are bigger fish to fry and you can show up and be a thorn in his side and then he will be more interested in dealing with you and making you go away. But bowing down to him only encourages him to take more and people will see that

We don’t know what’s on the table or where they are, perhaps giving up the DST was the best possible deal.  Nothing has been signed yet they’re still negotiating doe the next 3 weeks or so.  And we have NO deal at the moment, at least not one that Trump’s honouring. Certainly some of the tariffs he has announced against us this year will come off. Others like aluminum and maybe steel will likely come off, be reduced or discretely poked full of loopholes regardless because USA simply can’t sustain them.  USA’s aluminum industry will never be able to support domestic demand, not only do they not have the raw materials but it would take decades of investment and hundreds of billions of dollars to restructure and refurbish not only the US aluminum industry but also the highly fragmented, privatized, politicized and inefficient US electricity market   It just ain’t gonna happen. 
 

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That's what you post every single time you're losing   LOL

Looks like you won this round @taxme

Ha Ha Ha

He won what..first place in 1diot line??? 

Yup, guess he won then LOL

Too bad...he bumped you out of first  Ya gotta work harder LOSER!!!

 

Oh and. I am so proud that all the LOSERS are down voting. It seems I am the real winner. Pi$$ing off LOSERS and I am winning LOL

Edited July 3, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Carney Failed.

 

Good boy! You're learning  

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Really....  between the two countries there is close to 1 trillion in trade annually.

And?  Are you saying we have too much money and don't need any more?

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 Conceding a sore point that is ~1.4B annually and not unanimously received anyway is hardly failing.

It is 100% failing. It's not failing if you get something in return, but that didn't happen. It's also in the way that he conceded. Trump makes his Demand on Friday afternoon and by Sunday Carney is on his knees giving him what he wants begging not to be whipped any further master.

And that may turn out to be the biggest problem.  Trump is already crowing about it, and once he decides someone is weak he goes after them with both barrels. He'll smell the blood in the water now and it's going to be harder and harder for carney to get a deal that's good or even not all that bad for us 

Supply management is probably next up.  They won't likelyl demand it gets dismantled but they'll demand more groups have access to export to canada and to fill up our quota and probably a few other things which are bad for us. 

And we haven't even started the NAFTA negotiations yet, that doesn't happen till next year and he's refused to do it earlier. 

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

And?  Are you saying we have too much money and don't need any more?

 

What...?  We or they and "have money" is irrelevant....it's the dollars being traded.  Google the definition of trade....