Trump ends all U.S. trade talks with Canada over digital services tax

[Army Guy]

46 minutes ago, herbie said:

They never hit the quota limit to pay the tariff.
Because we don't want their milk and dairy. We have our own that's always there and supply and prices don't bounce around. That's WHY we have it.
And if you want to talk about cheating just slice up some shit and call it pepperoni to mix in with the cheese and you can take over (already did!) supplying all the Cdn pizza market.
How's about using litres like the real world does so your product doesn't look smaller like it does and is on the shelf? Want access without any taxes or even the least bit of effort, do you?

Just can't comprehend the lying sack of shit in the White House is constantly lying to everyone and is so stupid he can't distinguish threats from negotiations.

I know lots of people that travel to the US just to purchase food and gas, i use to travel 45 mins there and back and still save enough to make it worth my while....and for me US milk products taste much better....Canadian producers buy their quotas, and pay huge wads to produce milk, eggs, and milk products, all that quota money goes to the government....and it is worth bils...it restricts who can produce milk, and how much they can produce, over produce and that milk gets dumped wasted....Prices are inflated here in Canada to make it profitable for Canadian farmers....there is no competition, just buy a quota and start milking....it is illegal to sell milk in canada without a quota... you can use it for personal use, but not sell it or barter with it...

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I know lots of people that travel to the US just to purchase food and gas, i use to travel 45 mins there and back and still save enough to make it worth my while....and for me US milk products taste much better....Canadian producers buy their quotas, and pay huge wads to produce milk, eggs, and milk products, all that quota money goes to the government....and it is worth bils...it restricts who can produce milk, and how much they can produce, over produce and that milk gets dumped wasted....Prices are inflated here in Canada to make it profitable for Canadian farmers....there is no competition, just buy a quota and start milking....it is illegal to sell milk in canada without a quota... you can use it for personal use, but not sell it or barter with it...

You seem to have a problem with farmers earning enough to make a living without government subsidies or using undocumented labour.

[BeaverFever]

Well the breaking news tonight is that Carney has agreed to cancel the DST. I have to say I’m very disappointed. I guess it’s a hill he felt he didn’t need to die on but 11th hour concessions to the fat dumb bully sure don’t look good. He better have gotten something of value for this. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I know lots of people that travel to the US just to purchase food and gas, i use to travel 45 mins there and back and still save enough to make it worth my while....and for me US milk products taste much better....Canadian producers buy their quotas, and pay huge wads to produce milk, eggs, and milk products, all that quota money goes to the government....and it is worth bils...it restricts who can produce milk, and how much they can produce, over produce and that milk gets dumped wasted....Prices are inflated here in Canada to make it profitable for Canadian farmers....there is no competition, just buy a quota and start milking....it is illegal to sell milk in canada without a quota... you can use it for personal use, but not sell it or barter with it...

Just a correction:  the “quota money” doesn’t go to the government. Farmers buy quotas from other farmers.  And the provincial dairy boards are not “government” they’re dairy farmers elected by fellow dairy farmers, basically a self-regulating body. 
 

I don’t think there’s a difference in how milk tastes, just know that US milk can have artificial hormones in it. The only reason it costs less in USA is because the federal and state governments heavily subsidize farmers. The government gives them “price guarantees” so if the price goes below a certain amount the government pays them the difference. A variety of government departments from defence to education and more also have mandates to buy up and stockpile surplus dairy products.   So America doesn’t do it better. 

Also American farmers dump milk far more often than in Canada, precisely because supply is not centrally managed and subsidies encourage overproduction.   In Canada dumping is a last resort and usually due to some temporary disruption like a processing facility being unexpectedly offline. In the Canadian system everything is coordinated from producer to processor to retailer to minimize mismatches

One other difference with USA is their dairy tends to come from very massive megafarms doing huge business exporting dairy products all around the world whereas Canada still tends to be primarily family farms 

All countries have some sort of protection or regulation for things like dairy and eggs.m because of their nature.  While most other industries can shut down a factory when consumer demand or prices drop, cows are basically milk factories that can’t be shut down. The milk is coming out of that cow one way or another whether you want to sell it or not. And milk spoils quickly so can’t really be stored if sales are slow this week. Cows are milked 2-3 times a day and the milk has to be on the grocery store shelf a couple days after that. It seems that anywhere that doesn’t use supply management uses government subsidies instead, with the exception of New Zealand, which exports 95% of the milk it produces….that doesn’t seem any better. 

Edited June 30, 2025 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Google AI
Yes, greenhouse gases are considered a form of pollution because their increased concentration in the atmosphere, primarily due to human activities, leads to climate change and its associated negative impacts.

Well thanks for proving ai has a long way to go  

Also from google AI

Pollution and climate change are closely related but not the same; pollution contributes to climate change, and both share common causes and solutions.
Understanding Pollution and Climate Change
Pollution refers to the introduction of harmful substances or pollutants into the environment, which can degrade air quality, water quality, and soil health. It includes various forms such as air pollution (gases, particulate matter), water pollution (chemicals, waste), and soil contamination.
Climate Change, on the other hand, refers to long-term changes in temperature, precipitation, and other atmospheric conditions on Earth, primarily driven by the increase of greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the atmosphere due to human activities, such as burning fossil fuels and deforestation.

Sorry kid, not the same. 

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (.gov)
Fuel & Energy is the top polluter, contributing to around 75% of global greenhouse gas emissions, mainly through fossil fuels like coal, gas, and oil.

Again, not pollution.  they may also result In pollution but not the same thing. \

 

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The release of greenhouse gases associated with human activities and climate change is referred to as greenhouse gas emissions, or climate pollution.

So not pollution.  "climate pollution" is not the same thing as the pollution you referenced in your london fog story \

 

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

https://airqoon.com › resources › articles 
Air pollutants and greenhouse gases are one of the most critical concerns of our age, leading to climate change and causing health problems worldwide.

So not the same thing,  one leads to climate change the other to health problems.You just managed to disprove yourself  

You've outdone yourself with your stupidity this time kiddo   pollution does not cause climate change at all. The things that cause pollution can ALSO produce green house gasses. But its not the same thing  

But I do appreciate you taking the time to document your failure  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Well the breaking news tonight is that Carney has agreed to cancel the DST. I have to say I’m very disappointed. I guess it’s a hill he felt he didn’t need to die on but 11th hour concessions to the fat dumb bully sure don’t look good. He better have gotten something of value for this. 

Well i did warn you. He was going to cave.   And I absolutely guarantee he got nothing of value for this.

Trump knew he had him by the short and curlies. Carney's mistake was dropping the original tariffs, it left him nothing to play with. Now this is billions of dollars of revenue that he was really banking on that he's not going to have at a time when he's just committed to more spending than he intended to.

This guy has yet to stand up to trump. Everything trump has asked of him he has gotten. Of course trump knew he would get what he wanted here and that there would be no push back. Carney is 100% on his knees in front of trump at this point and trump is the kind of guy who's going to pounce on the slightest hint of weakness. 

All that blather about how he would be elbows up and the only one to be able to handle trump etc etc was all 100% complete and utter bullshit.

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Not by the government.

Yes, patronage by royalty and lords. 
 

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Uh huh. If you have to give a long winded explanation of what a painting or sculpture is then it's just junk because it fails to communicate anything. If your music won't be paid for or listened to then why sing it? If no one is interested in your book why should the public be required to subsidize it? If your dancing doesn't attract sufficient paying customers to make a living, then do something else. And then there's the CBC, which we are required to pay for even though almost nobody watches it. They produce TV shows no one watches but everyone has to pay for. Ridiculous.

You don’t get it.
 

First the point is not for government to only support specific works of art that it has assessed as being commercial successful. Its purpose is to support the arts generally to create a thriving arts scene, from which successful artists will emerge.  Your argument is like saying government should not fund youth sports it should only fund specific kids who are definitely going to become pro athletes. But that’s not how you get pro athletes. You get pro athletes by funding sports generally, knowing that 99% of the kids will never go pro but a small minority will. 

Second even artists who aren’t commercially successful on their own without government subsidies contribute to the arts, for example they might inspire other more successful artists. 

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i did warn you. He was going to cave.   And I absolutely guarantee he got nothing of value for this.

Trump knew he had him by the short and curlies. Carney's mistake was dropping the original tariffs, it left him nothing to play with. Now this is billions of dollars of revenue that he was really banking on that he's not going to have at a time when he's just committed to more spending than he intended to.

This guy has yet to stand up to trump. Everything trump has asked of him he has gotten. Of course trump knew he would get what he wanted here and that there would be no push back. Carney is 100% on his knees in front of trump at this point and trump is the kind of guy who's going to pounce on the slightest hint of weakness. 

All that blather about how he would be elbows up and the only one to be able to handle trump etc etc was all 100% complete and utter bullshit.

Well he hasn’t dropped the original tariffs and he has announced new quotas and tariffs on that will affe US steel. What else has Trump gotten from him other than this one thing?  It’s Trump that’s been doing all the walk-backs up until now. 

Edited June 30, 2025 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

No negotiations have ended. They're still talking.

No, they had stopped talking and that's why Carnie had to cave. Looks like you were wrong again

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Carney's doing just fine in dealing with the petulant little child.  

He just gave up billions of dollars in revenue that he was planning on and Collapsed like a house of cards. Trump just manipulated him with barely a thought and a couple of words. So far trump has gotten every single thing he wanted and carney has gotten nothing. In fact tariffs have gone up. Sweet Jesus man, if you think this is good what do you think bad looks like? We're getting our asses handed to us

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Wouldn't expect any other sort of thought from you.

That's because your echo chamber locked brain hasn't had an original thought since you were old enough to learn to speak liberal

Everything that is happening is what I predicted. I said he was going to have to cave and cave quickly when we brought this up. I've pointed out that he's given everything that trump has asked for, so of course trump knew he was going to have to cave here as well.

Like a good little liberal zombie you keep praising the guy who is currently selling out Canada to trump. But it's pretty obvious that he's not doing well to anybody with a single drop of honest objectivity.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Well he hasn’t dropped the original tariffs and he has announced new quotas and tariffs on that will affe US steel.

He has absolutely dropped the original tariffs

Carney dropped most American tariffs day after Trump meeting | Toronto Sun

Sorry to break your bubble but the guy completely sold us out already

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What else has Trump gotten from him other than this one thing?  It’s Trump that’s been doing all the walk-backs up until now. 

What has been less reported is that he's changed our immigration and immigration policy to reflect trump's wishes with regards to certain countries. A friend of mine is from Iran and he is quite pissed about it. Our policies now match the Americans pretty closely

Also Carney pushed for opening up the free trade agreement and putting this all to bed at once instead of waiting till next year so there was certainty, and trump shot that down. Carney also asked him to stop with the rhetoric about the 51st state and as we saw today that was not listened to either.

Meanwhile trump has increased tariffs on Canadian steel. He doesn't care about counter tariffs on steel because the US doesn't really produce enough steel already so he's just as happy if Canadians can't buy his steel, he wants Americans buying it

We are failing horribly. And it's going to start to take a toll on our economy pretty quick

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

He has absolutely dropped the original tariffs

Carney dropped most American tariffs day after Trump meeting | Toronto Sun

Sorry to break your bubble but the guy completely sold us out already

That’s some selective story telling by Lilley who is shameless propagandist. You’ll recall TRUMP paused and walked back tariffs on us first, and did so multiple times. 
 

But you are also missing this::  

Canada retaliates against U.S. steel imports after Trump terminates trade talks. 
 

The office of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. But late Friday, Canada retaliated against the U.S. by imposing a quota on some steel imports and a 50% surcharge for imports that exceed the quota. Canada's finance minister said the government was acting to protect its industry from "unjust U.S. tariffs." 

Canada's government said it "remains prepared to take additional steps as needed."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna215608
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

What has been less reported is that he's changed our immigration and immigration policy to reflect trump's wishes with regards to certain countries. A friend of mine is from Iran and he is quite pissed about it. Our policies now match the Americans pretty closely

That’s not because of Trump that’s to keep PP and the conservatives onside. And our immigration policy is still pretty different from Trump’s.  He is doing a lot of very right wing things to keep their support, even things conservatives couldn’t get away with. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Also Carney pushed for opening up the free trade agreement and putting this all to bed at once instead of waiting till next year so there was certainty, and trump shot that down. Carney also asked him to stop with the rhetoric about the 51st state and as we saw today that was not listened to either.

 

Carney has been very clear that the solution is to pivot our economy away from the US. He’s repeatedly pointed to the fact that Trump is unstable and his word is worthless, you manage him as best you can, but the solution is to diversify away from the US.  And that’s what he’s been doing with great success, Canada and Europe have now formed the “No Homers Club”  with USA shut out  

As a correction Carney didn’t say open up the free trade agreement now, he said he wants to begin a new comprehensive trade and security framework and that’s what they’re discussing now. The CUSMA renegotiation would then be shaped by that framework  

On the 51st state Trump’s comments have changed since Carney took office by the way. Trump went from calling the PM governor and saying he was going to use economic force to force Canada to join the US to simply saying he thinks it would be a good idea for Canadians to choose joining USA for themselves. Carney had explicitly said nobody can control Trump’s mouth least of all Trump so we need to move past that and not be distracted. 
 

What exactly do you think PP would have done differently?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s some selective story telling by Lilley who is shameless propagandist. You’ll recall TRUMP paused and walked back tariffs on us first, and did so multiple times. 
 

But you are also missing this::  

Canada retaliates against U.S. steel imports after Trump terminates trade talks. 
 

 

The office of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. But late Friday, Canada retaliated against the U.S. by imposing a quota on some steel imports and a 50% surcharge for imports that exceed the quota. Canada's finance minister said the government was acting to protect its industry from "unjust U.S. tariffs." 

Canada's government said it "remains prepared to take additional steps as needed."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna215608
 

That’s not because of Trump that’s to keep PP and the conservatives onside. And our immigration policy is still pretty different from Trump’s.  He is doing a lot of very right wing things to keep their support, even things conservatives couldn’t get away with. 
 

Carney has been very clear that the solution is to pivot our economy away from the US. He’s repeatedly pointed to the fact that Trump is unstable and his word is worthless, you manage him as best you can, but the solution is to diversify away from the US.  And that’s what he’s been doing with great success, Canada and Europe have now formed the “No Homers Club”  with USA shut out  

As a correction Carney didn’t say open up the free trade agreement now, he said he wants to begin a new comprehensive trade and security framework and that’s what they’re discussing now. The CUSMA renegotiation would then be shaped by that framework  

On the 51st state Trump’s comments have changed since Carney took office by the way. Trump went from calling the PM governor and saying he was going to use economic force to force Canada to join the US to simply saying he thinks it would be a good idea for Canadians to choose joining USA for themselves. Carney had explicitly said nobody can control Trump’s mouth least of all Trump so we need to move past that and not be distracted. 
 

What exactly do you think PP would have done differently?

Dude, dozens of news agencies reported on the cutting of the tariffs by Carney when it became know , Vassey k  did a segment on it, it has been well documented. 

Trying to pass this off as some sort of one person partisan attack is nonsense. 

And as to the 'retaliation it was meaningless. There was little chance of them exceeding the quota.  And carney caved and gave trump what he wanted before the thing even came into effect. 

I'll be blunt - i know you're dedicated to defending carney and the libs but even you deep down know this for what it is.

There is no possible way for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence to successfully spin this as carney being tough or sticking up for canada.  Trump saw weakness, he knew he'd get what he wanted and we gave up billions of dollars in tax revenues without a fight and for nothing in return.  Billions. So far, to this point, mr 'elbows up' has been channeling his inner Chamberlin. We will see what kind of deal we get but we're already deeply in the red on this part alone.  

 

[Barquentine]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So not pollution.  "climate pollution" is not the same thing as the pollution you referenced in your london fog story \

So your simple little mind can't see the connection between man-made pollutants and climate change. You must be happy Trump wants to increase coal use and shut down renewables. Seems like you only lift your knuckles off the ground to cover your ears and eyes. Cover your mouth instead so you won't sound so ridiculous.  Just another reason Canadians rejected you and your ilk.

[ExFlyer]

On 6/28/2025 at 6:48 PM, Army Guy said:

I've thrown out better stuff while cleaning my garage...who knew you could paid by with calling it art...

This "art" sold for $6.2 million

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Well the breaking news tonight is that Carney has agreed to cancel the DST. I have to say I’m very disappointed. I guess it’s a hill he felt he didn’t need to die on but 11th hour concessions to the fat dumb bully sure don’t look good. He better have gotten something of value for this. 

Yup, gone today....here tomorrow. 

Let it go during negotiations and put it back on in a different form later

The value is that all other negotiations will continue.

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

First the point is not for government to only support specific works of art that it has assessed as being commercial successful. Its purpose is to support the arts generally to create a thriving arts scene, from which successful artists will emerge.

Nice theory, but we all know how grants are awarded. And it has nothing to do with talent or ability or creating a 'thriving arts scene'. It's who you know and suck up to. It's a very incestuous relationship among artists/writers/musicians who form cliques within and outside government, rotating in and out, approving of each other's works while disparaging those they don't like. How many great writers or artists have emerged from this in the last twenty or thirty years?

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Your argument is like saying government should not fund youth sports it should only fund specific kids who are definitely going to become pro athletes.

We don't fund youth sports to get pro athletes. We fund them because it's in the national interest to encourage youth to be physically active. How is it in the national interest to produce artists virtually no one will ever hear of, writers almost no one will ever read, TV shows almost no one will ever watch?

 

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s not because of Trump that’s to keep PP and the conservatives onside. And our immigration policy is still pretty different from Trump’s.  He is doing a lot of very right wing things to keep their support, even things conservatives couldn’t get away with. 

Please name these things conservatives couldn't get away with. Also, why does Carney need to keep the Conservatives on side?

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Carney has been very clear that the solution is to pivot our economy away from the US.

Not going to happen. Government protection has ensured what industry remains here is inefficient and expensive due to taxes, high regulations, and high wages. All we really have that can be exported is natural resources, and the Liberals want to shut that down to lower CO2s. 

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s repeatedly pointed to the fact that Trump is unstable and his word is worthless, you manage him as best you can, but the solution is to diversify away from the US.  And that’s what he’s been doing with great success, Canada and Europe have now formed the “No Homers Club”  with USA shut out  

With 'great success'. Meaning some agreement that doesn't matter. We signed a trade agreement with most of Asia years ago. What's that gotten us? Canadian businesses aren't going to take a chance on new customers. And if they run into problems because of the Americans, they'll just come running to the government for help.

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

On the 51st state Trump’s comments have changed since Carney took office by the way

Trump said Canada should be the 51st state last week.

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What exactly do you think PP would have done differently?

The most important thing this country needs to do is cut spending and cut regulations. Business and industry are drowning in regulations, and the government gives far too much money out to businesses and a ridiculous variety of organizations that are of no value to the taxpayer. Every ethnic, racial, gender, sexual, climate, poverty, and cultural group in this country has its hands in my pocket. All that needs to stop.

[LinkSoul60]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

He has absolutely dropped the original tariffs

Carney dropped most American tariffs day after Trump meeting | Toronto Sun

Sorry to break your bubble but the guy completely sold us out already

What has been less reported is that he's changed our immigration and immigration policy to reflect trump's wishes with regards to certain countries. A friend of mine is from Iran and he is quite pissed about it. Our policies now match the Americans pretty closely

Also Carney pushed for opening up the free trade agreement and putting this all to bed at once instead of waiting till next year so there was certainty, and trump shot that down. Carney also asked him to stop with the rhetoric about the 51st state and as we saw today that was not listened to either.

Meanwhile trump has increased tariffs on Canadian steel. He doesn't care about counter tariffs on steel because the US doesn't really produce enough steel already so he's just as happy if Canadians can't buy his steel, he wants Americans buying it

We are failing horribly. And it's going to start to take a toll on our economy pretty quick

It's difficult for you to see because of your anti-liberal bias.  Carney is dealing with a child....you can easily relate to how a child thinks.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well i did warn you. He was going to cave.   And I absolutely guarantee he got nothing of value for this.

You sound absolutely thrilled with this.

[Legato]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

So your simple little mind can't see the connection between man-made pollutants and climate change. You must be happy Trump wants to increase coal use and shut down renewables. Seems like you only lift your knuckles off the ground to cover your ears and eyes. Cover your mouth instead so you won't sound so ridiculous.  Just another reason Canadians rejected you and your ilk.

Whose the guy who made the coal?

 

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude, dozens of news agencies reported on the cutting of the tariffs by Carney when it became know , Vassey k  did a segment on it, it has been well documented. 

Trying to pass this off as some sort of one person partisan attack is nonsense. 

And as to the 'retaliation it was meaningless. There was little chance of them exceeding the quota.  And carney caved and gave trump what he wanted before the thing even came into effect. 

I'll be blunt - i know you're dedicated to defending carney and the libs but even you deep down know this for what it is.

There is no possible way for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence to successfully spin this as carney being tough or sticking up for canada.  Trump saw weakness, he knew he'd get what he wanted and we gave up billions of dollars in tax revenues without a fight and for nothing in return.  Billions. So far, to this point, mr 'elbows up' has been channeling his inner Chamberlin. We will see what kind of deal we get but we're already deeply in the red on this part alone.  

 

Trump and Carney spoke all weekend including late into Sunday night right before the announcement was made. That’s Trump had to invest so much time and energy right up to the last minute to get this concession suggests is not as one-sided as you suggest. 
 

The narrative being spun  by conservatives was disputed   You have ONE think tank making these claims, which the conservative echo chamber repeated as fact. The Liberal party disputed it. Vassy K didn’t confirm it ahe just reported what OE amd conservatives alleged. 
 

Ottawa says most tariffs against U.S. remain, pushing back on earlier report

Champagne: The government “temporarily and publicly paused tariffs” on some items for health and safety reasons
 

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/canada-tariffs-us-remain-oxford-report
 

Again, I will repeat that Liberals have said all along  that only the American people can reign in Trump, countries can only hope to mitigate their losses but everyone is going to be worse off than when Trump took office :

He is erratic and frequently reverses himself on a whim

He is not a rational actor 

His policies (if you can even call them that) are not based on any knowledge or understanding of economics 

His motives are often unclear and constantly changing based on who is whispering in his ear at any given moment 

He frequently goes back on his word making any “deals” reached with him not worth the paper they’re printed on. 

W a compulsive and shameless liar 

case in point: He already has a trade surplus with UK and they bent over and spread their butt cheeks for him and he still hit them with a universal 10% tariff plus his global steel and aluminum tariffs just because he can. 
 

The Liberals’ Trump strategy is to de-risk and diversify away from USA and wait for American people and Republicans who will suffer under his policies to apply pressure. Don’t forget US has midterm elections next year 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

Should be pretty obvious even to you that the US under Trump is more of a threat to us than an ally .

The rest of your post is just id*otic nonsense.

So you're saying that you actually believe Freeland was being intelligent when she openly talked about getting protection from the US from Britain and France?

Buddy, I had no idea you were that stupid. FYI France and Britain couldn't protect us any more than an umbrella could protect you from a charging rhino. 

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

You seem to have a problem with farmers earning enough to make a living without government subsidies or using undocumented labour.

I have no problems with farmers making a living, it seems you don't like a free market, or support the little guy just trying to scratch out a living, most of the quotas are going to big farm cooperation's. W5 did a big story about the milk and egg cartels, and the waste they over produce that gets dumped down the drains,...And we the consumer pay for that in jacked up prices....

if your in favor perhaps every industry should have pricing control to ensure they make a profit , and you pay the higher price just so they can make a living....

And if the Canadian dollar was a little better, and fuel cheaper i would be buying most of my food in the US...

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I have no problems with farmers making a living, it seems you don't like a free market, or support the little guy just trying to scratch out a living, most of the quotas are going to big farm cooperation's. W5 did a big story about the milk and egg cartels, and the waste they over produce that gets dumped down the drains,...And we the consumer pay for that in jacked up prices....

If that doesn't sound like socialism...

The gov't is in the middle subsidizing, price-controlling, fixing markets...

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's difficult for you to see because of your anti-liberal bias.  Carney is dealing with a child....you can easily relate to how a child thinks.

And yet again when you realize you can't refute someone's argument you resort to crying and stomping 

 Oh yeah, i'm getting plenty of experience dealing with a child these days  

Trump is not a child. Trump is a bully

. Carney said he could handle the bully. Carney said he was able to deal with trump no problem and that's why we should elect him

To date, all Carney has done is capitulate. He has rolled over faster than Neville Chamberlain. He is done everything trump has asked and we have gotten nothing for it. It's just a simple fact.

Carney is quickly proving to be utterly incompetent at this