Poilievre will try to sell Canada a diluted and obscured version of trumpism

[myata]

One can see, in plain view the disaster it would end in. One has to be both blind and severely mentally incapacitated to fall for it. Sadly, in the political system we have one is reduced to choosing between static immovable options, voting for "the lesser evil" as opposed to "the best match". I will always advise Canada to leave it in the past and modernize its political system, meaningfully and immediately but while it is what it is, an individual of reason and integrity will have a choice between two imperfect options. But in this case, it is reduced to the one between an imperfect and the impossible one. 

There can be no justifications for choosing cowardly, perpetually lying insanity. And it will always come with a grotesque and debilitating price. Even at the price of ending the democracy itself.

Nothing to guess or project here. As seen with own eyes, in a clear plain view.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, myata said:

One can see, in plain view the disaster it would end in. One has to be both blind and severely mentally incapacitated to fall for it. Sadly, in the political system we have one is reduced to choosing between static immovable options, voting for "the lesser evil" as opposed to "the best match". I will always advise Canada to leave it in the past and modernize its political system, meaningfully and immediately but while it is what it is, an individual of reason and integrity will have a choice between two imperfect options. But in this case, it is reduced to the one between an imperfect and the impossible one. 

There can be no justifications for choosing cowardly, perpetually lying insanity. And it will always come with a grotesque and debilitating price. Even at the price of ending the democracy itself.

Nothing to guess or project here. As seen with own eyes, in a clear plain view.

 The heading doesn't make much sense but the opinion piece makes less sense.  It looks like you have been conned by the Liberal propaganda.

 The Conservatives have an excellent platform which was laid out by the leader on Flag Day with over an hour of details.  You can find it on youtube at:

Bing Videos

Also read the Conservative Party of Canada policy document which is online at:

990863517f7a575.pdf

After nearly ten years of Liberals wrecking Canada, are you seriously thinking of still supporting the Liberals or NDP?  All they did is increase the size of the civil service by a huge number, spend money like lunatics for everything under the sun, throw billions of dollars around the world, attack the energy industry, ban pipelines, hammer everyone with carbon taxes pushing the price up of everything, catch and release dangerous offenders right away, very soft on crime, allow illegal migrants to flood across the border, allow the drug crisis to run wild with 50,000 deaths, allow drug and crime cartels to expand in Canada, and bring in far more immigrants than Canada can afford creating a housing crisis and other problems.  Everything is worse in Canada after ten years of Liberals/NDP.

 

Edited February 18 by blackbird

[myata]

Trump had a platform based on economy and look. Never trust loose tongues and squirting eyes - you know deep inside it can't be good.

[Venandi]

52 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The heading doesn't make much sense but the opinion piece makes less sense.

And the time you spent writing that sentence is lost forever.

[Legato]

9 hours ago, myata said:

One can see, in plain view the disaster it would end in. One has to be both blind and severely mentally incapacitated to fall for it. Sadly, in the political system we have one is reduced to choosing between static immovable options, voting for "the lesser evil" as opposed to "the best match". I will always advise Canada to leave it in the past and modernize its political system, meaningfully and immediately but while it is what it is, an individual of reason and integrity will have a choice between two imperfect options. But in this case, it is reduced to the one between an imperfect and the impossible one. 

There can be no justifications for choosing cowardly, perpetually lying insanity. And it will always come with a grotesque and debilitating price. Even at the price of ending the democracy itself.

Nothing to guess or project here. As seen with own eyes, in a clear plain view.

No PP will bring a heavily distilled version which will be poison to limp wristed pansies.

[Nationalist]

Poilievre is "selling" common sense to Canadians but...I get it...you Libbies ain't happy unless you can scream...

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Edited February 18 by Nationalist

[Moonbox]

Poilievre will try to sell Canada whatever he thinks is going to be popular at the time.  If everyone is pissed at Trump, he'll talk tough about how he can contend with it.  If the utter failure of Trudeau Liberalism is still what's on the average Canadian's minds, that's what he's going to focus on.  

[myata]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

he'll talk tough about how he can contend with it

How would he act though, if more than talking is needed? Isn't that important to know, well in advance?

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

How would he act though, if more than talking is needed? Isn't that important to know, well in advance?

He'd act like a leader with common sense. He'll AXE the gas tax instead of pussyfooting around with some magical rework the Libbies are talking about.

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

  If the utter failure of Trudeau Liberalism is still what's on the average Canadian's minds, that's what he's going to focus on.  

Maybe... but what IS on their minds ?  

I assume that the content of the message is at least meshed with the form.  So, Trudeau's style of flattering the national images with sweet platitudes about our tolerance is - at a minimum - detested.  We get that.  In addition, it flies in the face of the reality that we are not doing well economically.  But... the form of the new populism has landed in the USA and food and housing prices hardly seem to be a priority.

People want less politics, and more confidence.

Poilievre is more political than substantive, and that's been fine up until now.  Interestingly, it might actually come down to BIG IDEAS for the first time since 1988.

FREE TRADE or TRADE WARS ?
Environment or Enterprise ?

I find it fascinating how little the politicians trust people to understand details, and to accept big changes.

[SpankyMcFarland]

I think he’s trying to pivot away from his standard partisan message at the moment but in my opinion he has not gone far enough. Even before our national crisis, likeability had been identified among voters as one of his key weaknesses. Unlike the US, a conservative candidate has a very hard time winning in Canada with just their base so he has to win over centrist voters of various hues, eg ‘fiscal Liberals’. The best way to do that is to go easy on the populist content and soften the style with fewer jabs at his opponents. Many of the people considering a vote for him are former Liberal voters. They won’t care to hear their choices from yesteryear trashed. A critique more in sorrow than anger is what is required. Even the cadence of his voice could be modified a bit. It should sound conversational some of the time. A self-deprecating joke every day would be a good habit for him to cultivate. 

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So, Trudeau's style of flattering the national images with sweet platitudes about our tolerance is - at a minimum - detested.  We get that.

...

Interestingly, it might actually come down to BIG IDEAS for the first time since 1988.

FREE TRADE or TRADE WARS ?
Environment or Enterprise ?

How about Treachery or Honour?

When you look at the shockingly muted response to the stab in the back being inflicted on Ukraine at the moment no one should be under any illusions about the desperate black vision for the future that's asserting itself.  It's on the same ascending trajectory the right wing is pushing and pulling the whole world towards.

Waterhole politics demand we get meaner.

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I find it fascinating how little the politicians trust people to understand details, and to accept big changes.

What's even more fascinating is how willing people are to trust politicians.

Seriously?

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe... but what IS on their minds ?  

Right now?  Probably Trump.  In a couple months, who knows?  Either way, I don't think PP is going to commit to much, just like he already hasn't.  You don't interrupt while your opponent is scoring on his own net, or imploding. 

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I find it fascinating how little the politicians trust people to understand details, and to accept big changes.

I don't find that fascinating, or even curious, because the average person really doesn't care about the details.  In my early years in financial planning, I was very task and detail-oriented.  I'd have spreadsheets, drill-downs, risk comparisons, projections, simulations and scenario planning - all that jazz prepared before every meeting and ready to go. 

Over time, I realized that most clients only had about 5 minutes worth of attention for that sort of stuff.  Anything more, and I'd start to lose them.  I still do that stuff on my own for them, in the background, but they don't give a shit to hear about it.  Their decision-making process in terms of finance was to determine if they liked me, if they trusted me, and if I seemed competent.  Once that hurdle was covered, most of them are ready to just let me do my thing and don't really want to hear about it or my decision making process.  

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't think PP is going to commit to much, just like he already hasn't. 

Guess you didn't watch his message on flag day.   He said many things of what he plans to do and spoke for over an hour.  Google it on youtube.  There will be major changes in almost every area.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Poilievre will try to sell Canada whatever he thinks is going to be popular at the time.  If everyone is pissed at Trump, he'll talk tough about how he can contend with it.  If the utter failure of Trudeau Liberalism is still what's on the average Canadian's minds, that's what he's going to focus on.  

Just PP,..... i think as the liberals have come out with more campaign promises their flip flop on national matters is perhaps the best example of Whatever the people want to here....Like we now want to remove the carbon tax nobody likes it....lets build pipelines, and drive our economy to higher places...it seems what ever PP puts in place they copy.... These are people who were justin's main goto people that for years have spewed this same story over and over again, but come election time its POOF its hand jobs and BJ for everyone...It's not just justin, it is his entire crew, and his i wanna be just like justin, carney...

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Over time, I realized that most clients only had about 5 minutes worth of attention for that sort of stuff.  Anything more, and I'd start to lose them.  I still do that stuff on my own for them, in the background, but they don't give a shit to hear about it.  Their decision-making process in terms of finance was to determine if they liked me, if they trusted me, and if I seemed competent.  Once that hurdle was covered, most of them are ready to just let me do my thing and don't really want to hear about it or my decision making process.  

Has the trust that's been vested in you been blind from the get go though? You must have had to earn it and it sounds like did, but it seems to me your clients have a responsibility they're not living up to.

In a government that was governing rational people you'd be the equivalent of the career bureaucrat doing his job.  In a less rational one you'd be a Deepstate operative under investigation by DOGE.

It's ironic how much of the mistrust people have in government is facilitated by layers of privacy, secrecy and confidentiality.

At the end of the day blind trust is irresponsible.

[Moonbox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Has the trust that's been vested in you been blind from the get go though? You must have had to earn it and it sounds like did, but it seems to me your clients have a responsibility they're not living up to.

There's a lot of behavioral science and research that's been done for this, and from what I've learned the majority of the "sales" process is passing the client's natural fight or flight instinct (the snake-brain).  "Will this guy hurt me or eat me?  No?  I can trust him?  Okay."  

The next step is whether or not you can build some rapport, since nobody is going to work with you if they don't like you.  After that, it's a matter of convincing them (not proving) your competence.  The average person knows so little about the economy/markets/taxation etc that you risk making them feel stupid if you try to actually teach them everything you think they should know, so you work on that in little bites. 

I would say you're right though.  I used to get really frustrated/discouraged that so few people wanted to actually review and coordinate the planning I'm doing for them.   The questions most clients have at the end of the year is, "Did we make money, and/or how much?"  Whether or not they kept up with the market (risk-adjusted or otherwise) or how we did compared to everyone else isn't something they're concerning themselves with, which is something I've just learned to live with.  

 

 

[eyeball]

Poilievre will try to sell Canada a diluted and obscured version of trumpism? I'd suggest this.

As Canada gears up to host the G7 Summit in Kananaskis, Alta., from June 15 to 17 this year, President Trump has said he wants Russia readmitted to the group. 

"I'd love to have them back," Trump said at the White House last week. "I think it was a mistake to throw them out. Look, it's not a question of liking Russia or not liking Russia. It was the G8."

Russia was tossed out of the G8 in March 2014 following the annexation of Crimea.

Asked if Canada would consider allowing Russia back to the table, Joly said "no way."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-joly-threat-wake-up-call-1.7461719

If the Liberals are still in power come June 15th Canada should consider telling Trump he's not welcome either.

I'd invite Zelenskyy as a sign of respect and sympathy and start introducing the counter-vision we need to this...

[herbie]

And PP thought he was going to win more support taking off his glasses and exposing his beady little eyes.

Like Barnum said, you can fool some people all of the time.

[myata]

This is as simple as gets, really: will you hire a sleazy salesman who promises you a stellar job for next to free, with zero past references, to renovate your place? What's the program, promises worth, if you cannot trust the guy? Will you feel good watching the ruins but remembering great warming words? No musings: as seen next door, live.

[Zeitgeist]

Poilievre is not Trump but his conservatism is the necessary cure for leftist spending and ideological excesses in Canada over the last decade.  He wants to boost the free market and scale back the interventionist governance that has weakened the country.  We should be focusing on responsible spending and making it more affordable to live and do business for all Canadians, not just favoured groups.

Trump should appreciate the opportunities for more energy production and less regulation.  There’s an opportunity for both countries to come together on creating greater business activity and opportunity continent-wide.  Carney can’t distance himself from the government he’s been advising the past few years.  The Liberals are out of ideas and need renovation.  The Conservatives have a strong economic message that will also boost the military and support much of what Trump is seeking within America.

It’s a good thing to have both the president and prime minister on roughly the same page ideologically. It worked for Reagan and Mulroney.

Edited February 19 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

21 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Right now?  Probably Trump.  In a couple months, who knows?  Either way, I don't think PP is going to commit to much, just like he already hasn't.  You don't interrupt while your opponent is scoring on his own net, or imploding. 

 

Is Canada Day speech committed to quite a bit,about 99% of it is all stuff we've heard him commit to before.

Those of you who prefer the left like to pretend that poilievre has never talked about any of his policies or his priorities. But it couldn't be more false. I posted the speech and it's entirety here the other day. So it would appear that you choose to remain uninformed about his policiesfalse statements rather than listen to his priorities and policies and make reasonable comments or criticisms.

Frankly for him the trump thing doesn't change much. He was always running on the idea that the economy is stalled and that growth is stalled and that we have to break down the barriers and get rid of The Gatekeepers as he calls them. He has talked for a long time about individual trade being a major issue, provinces and municipalities blocking Housing Development where it's needed, government agencies that are so muddled they can't get their job done despite having more staff than ever, The need for more trade deals and an end to useless taxes.

All of that is still 100% true, And is still the solution to trump's threats.

Kearney has managed to keep The carbon tax on the table even though he was trying to take it off by strangely admitting that it will now be a hidden tax. A pol1 just the other day shows that about 70% of Canadians Realize that carney's plan to put all of the carbon tax on big business we'll get passed to the consumer.

Newsroom

OTTAWA, ON: The Canadian Taxpayers Federation released Leger polling showing just 12 per cent of Canadians believe businesses pay most of the cost of the industrial carbon tax. Meanwhile, 70 per cent said businesses would pass on some or most carbon tax costs to consumers.

The only thing surprising about that is there are actually 30% of people who are stupid enough to think that they won't. 

So that means carbon taxes are still on the table. Carney's comment about how people don't buy steel is going to come back to bite him in spades.

Honestly I don't think much has changed for poilievre. He will have to add a little bit of patriotism to his campaign, but he already had some he's just going to have to push it a little more front and center.

What's interesting is this is probably going to give him a mandate for one of the favorite ideas, And east to west Energy Corridor with pipelines for natural gas, oil, and electricity from one end of the country to the other. That's going to be a million times easier to sell now

[Videospirit]

As a non-denominational Christian, there's no way I can conscience voting for the conservatives. Right wing politics just don't align with the ideals of Christianity.

I'm not really keen on the liberals. Social Democracy most aligns with the core tenets of Christianity, and so I usually vote NDP for ideological reasons.

If the destruction of American Democracy scares the liberals into putting electoral reform back on their platform they'd get my vote though, because first past the post is awful and the NDP don't stand a chance in my riding, and strengthening our democracy is the best way to prevent Canada from suffering the same fate as the US. It's my number one policy issue.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Videospirit said:

As a non-denominational Christian, there's no way I can conscience voting for the conservatives. Right wing politics just don't align with the ideals of Christianity.

Well that's about the biggest load of crap that's been posted on this board this week and man it was up against some pretty stiff competition too.

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 Social Democracy most aligns with the core tenets of Christianity, so I usually vote NDP for ideological reasons.

I think you need to do better research and look around the world and see how highly socialistic societies have treated people before you make that statement   Socialism tends to keep people in poverty and underpowered. Capitalist models with a minimalist government and strong core programs tend to see the least amount of poverty and the most freedoms

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If the destruction of American Democracy scares the liberals into putting electoral reform back on their platform they'd get my vote though, because first past the post is awful and the NDP don't stand a chance in my riding, and strengthening our democracy is the best way to prevent Canada from suffering the same fate as the US. It's my number one policy issue.

You don't expand democracy by voting in statists

And expanding democracy is not a brilliant idea. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. It is the tyranny of the majority. That is why we have a very limited democracy and a constitutional democracy.

And the NDP definitely could get in if they got serious. They've been in every single province and some problems they're in regularly. Only Quebec is a real obstacle and it's a real obstacle for everybody.

But the NDP sold themselves out to the liberals for power and pensions. Tell me, is corruption and grift a christian value that you hold so dear?

[Moonbox]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Those of you who prefer the left like to pretend that poilievre has never talked about any of his policies or his priorities. But it couldn't be more false.

I'm talking about the orange blob.  He is waiting to see where the chips fall before deciding how to approach him.  He doesn't have to commit to being a Trump hawk or to fall in line with him at the moment, because he can rest assured that Trudeau will make a mess of it either way.  

Hope that's not too "left" of me to say.  🙄

Edited February 20 by Moonbox