Canada Retaliates with it's Own Tariffs - Tit-for-tat isn't the answer

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, suds said:

 And what makes you so sure about that?

They both have nuclear weapons, and many of them. A war between USA and China would never occur, since it would mean the end of life on this planet. It's the same reason that USA and the Soviet Union never went to war.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Good, go be an American we don't want you here. People like you bring shame to our country

And frankly I don't think you'd be good enough for the Mexican to hire never mind the other way around

I'm living the good life, the American dream, on both sides of the border

I pay my taxes and obey the laws in both jurisdictions

nobody in America complains

if Canadians are  going to get snooty about it ; oh well, no biggie

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm living the good life, the American dream,

Good good, as long as you're not passing yourself off as a canadian you can live with your stolen valor and lack of morals wherever you like.  We just don't want people thinking you're what a canadian is.  But hey, it was you who was insisting you weren't so it's not like anyone's asking you to do something you haven't already agreed with. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Good good, as long as you're not passing yourself off as a canadian you can live with your stolen valor and lack of morals wherever you like.  We just don't want people thinking you're what a canadian is.  But hey, it was you who was insisting you weren't so it's not like anyone's asking you to do something you haven't already agreed with. 

you can think whatever you like

again, I obey the laws and pay my taxes in both jurisdictions, which is all I am required to do 

it's not like I'm running for office in either jurisdiction

so I don't need your vote

[August1991]

On 2/2/2025 at 10:31 PM, August1991 said:

From what I understand, this is the correct response.

This is what Trudeau Jnr did.

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Because Quebec, which has the largest barriers to trade with the other provinces, refuses to compromise and lower them. This makes the other provinces unwilling to lower their own barriers.

Trump is doing what we Canadians should do.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

you can think whatever you like

I love that you think I was sitting around waiting for your permission.

There's not much to talk about here, you've already agreed that you're not a Canadian and don't identify as a Canadian and I've made it clear that I think that's for the best because you're an embarrassment to our country so there's not much more to talk about. We seem to have reached an agreement

[myata]

7 hours ago, suds said:

pass judgement on an individual for being a Nazi

This is not what was said, and so factually, you are moving beyond the ability to observe events objectively and rationally. I'll do you one last favour by bringing your attention to the fact that these changes in mentality can be difficult to reverse, or in fact irreversible. As many factual examples show, of course.

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The problem with that option is that the Yanks could pull the rug out from us at any time, whereas if we’re all citizens of the same country, we can’t be at the mercy of tariffs or other U.S. vicissitudes.

that's all Donald Trump was saying

because it's going to keep happening, these vicissitudes 

because this is war between America & China, already in progress

and Canada is in no man's land between

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, suds said:

I thought the same thing less than a week ago. But from a U.S. national security standpoint, bringing Greenland, Canada, and Panama Canal into the U.S. fold makes perfect sense. The thing he doesn't seem to understand is Canadians.

Or the Danes or the Panamanians LOL

And yesterday he says that he will take over Gaza and turn it into a "Riviera of the Middle East"

Yup, I stand by the "he is blowing smoke" statement

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

Well it is going to cost US companies money, people are cancelling US travel and boycotting American products and businesses.

I get what you are saying but, do you really think that Canadians cancelling their vacations and Canadians boycotting products makes a difference to the American economy??

They did OK during COVID when Canadians (and the world) stopped going. They recovered quickly.

And really, we will still buy what we need, especially fruits and vegetables.

The American companies and economy can pivot a lot easier and quicker than Canada

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

that's all Donald Trump was saying

because it's going to keep happening, these vicissitudes 

because this is war between America & China, already in progress

and Canada is in no man's land between

I don’t think most Canadians understand the extent of U.S. self interest and the risks to Canada.  The best protection and probably the best advancement of Canadians’ interests is to be inside the most powerful and prosperous country, especially as it benefits from the resources that it's already secured in Canada in exchange for access to US markets.

Canada does have economic strength and influence in future trade wars, especially as the country unites and focuses.  However, there can be consequences in the other direction that are unpredictable.

Markets don’t like unpredictability in either country, which is why the tariff threats must stop.  It will hurt America’s international stature and drive other countries towards diversification away from the U.S., even if tariffs hurt some countries more than the U.S..

I also think it’s in both countries’ interests to take a constructive win-win approach to trade negotiations and political arrangements in North America, because coercive approaches cause backlashes and new problems.

Canada should openly consider the extremes of greater integration and greater independence and options in between.  The U.S. should consider what it wants. An informed public on both sides of the border should decide.

Canadians need to be aware of the realistic options before them and the costs of each.  Some sacrifices may be worthwhile for a better long term outcome that balances security, prosperity, and cultural expression. Democratic principles must apply throughout or we lose the goose that lays the golden egg.

Edited February 5 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I get what you are saying but, do you really think that Canadians cancelling their vacations and Canadians boycotting products makes a difference to the American economy??

They did OK during COVID when Canadians (and the world) stopped going. They recovered quickly.

And really, we will still buy what we need, especially fruits and vegetables.

The American companies and economy can pivot a lot easier and quicker than Canada

I’m saying that it will make a big difference to many Americans who depend on Canadians visiting and shopping in their country. You can see it in many of their border towns that go from busy to near ghost towns when Canadians stop coming. Canadians have a big impact on sun state economies in the winter months. Real estate in Florida is taking a hit from all the Canadians trying to sell and get out.

Yes they can adjust but so can we if we are prepared to do what it takes.

Edited February 5 by Aristides

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I’m saying that it will make a big difference to many Americans who depend on Canadians visiting and shopping in their country. You can see it in many of their border towns that go from busy to near ghost towns when Canadians stop coming. Canadians have a big impact on sun state economies in the winter months. Real estate in Florida is taking a hit from all the Canadians trying to sell and get out.

Yes they can adjust but so can we if we are prepared to do what it takes.

There's an obvious disparity in scale and Americans can absorb Canadian disinvestment far easier than the other way around, but it's still harmful to them.  Folks are also fooling themselves if they think it's just going to be Canada.  If the USA's closest and most economically integrated ally is diversifying away from the US (or boycotting it), we can safely assume the rest of the world will be too.  

[PIK]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I get what you are saying but, do you really think that Canadians cancelling their vacations and Canadians boycotting products makes a difference to the American economy??

They did OK during COVID when Canadians (and the world) stopped going. They recovered quickly.

And really, we will still buy what we need, especially fruits and vegetables.

The American companies and economy can pivot a lot easier and quicker than Canada

Not about hurting the american economy, it's surgical strikes on certain states economies. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I’m saying that it will make a big difference to many Americans who depend on Canadians visiting and shopping in their country. You can see it in many of their border towns that go from busy to near ghost towns when Canadians stop coming. Canadians have a big impact on sun state economies in the winter months. Real estate in Florida is taking a hit from all the Canadians trying to sell and get out.

Yes they can adjust but so can we if we are prepared to do what it takes.

The American border towns may feel it. Canadians that used to cross for shopping have slowed way down since our dollar has been tanking.

We have done the boycott American products before...didn't last long. We need what they sell us.

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, PIK said:

Not about hurting the american economy, it's surgical strikes on certain states economies. 

Don't kid yourself.

It may hurt for a moment but it will be. short moment and as soon as Trump tells them it is for the MAGA program , they will get over it. LOL

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Don't kid yourself.

It may hurt for a moment but it will be. short moment and as soon as Trump tells them it is for the MAGA program , they will get over it. LOL

The diehard MAGA cultists will, but the more reasonable voters in the middle might care.  

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The diehard MAGA cultists will, but the more reasonable voters in the middle might care.  

I wonder how this wave of patriotism will affect sentiments around the CBC? Arguments for keeping it will likely be bolstered and it could enjoy a renaissance.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

If the USA's closest and most economically integrated ally is diversifying away from the US (or boycotting it), we can safely assume the rest of the world will be too.  

Much easier said than done.  It will never happen in any significant way.  Talk is cheap but Canada and the U.S. are too deeply intertwined and it won't change much if at all.

[ExFlyer]

49 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The diehard MAGA cultists will, but the more reasonable voters in the middle might care.  

"the more reasonable voters"?  The Americans have already voted and are stuck with Trump for the next 4 years.

If you are saying Canadian voters, they will have no impact.

Lets be realistic for a moment. Trudeau is sending ministers to DC for what reasons? Trump and his people are fully aware that we have a lame duck government and any promises. We will not even have a parliament to make lasting changes. Trudeau folks can make promises that will probably be erased as soon as they are out of office.

Carney says he will do lots of things and we know Trumps people know he has no hope in hell of winning the election so, he is a non player.

Provincial czars going to DC also have no authority to speak on behalf of Canada and that they cannot set national policies so, they are wasting time as well.

PP has to be careful what he promises and says because Trump is listening.

Realistically, we, in Canada, are a lame duck country until we have an election and an elected government.

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, suds said:

I believe the reasoning is that once the southern border is sealed off 

Never gonna happen.

[Moonbox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I wonder how this wave of patriotism will affect sentiments around the CBC? Arguments for keeping it will likely be bolstered and it could enjoy a renaissance.

Maybe, but I doubt it.  The problem with the CBC over the last 20-25 years has been twofold:

1) It is very partisan and very agenda-based. 

2) Its programming generally sucks.  

As a result, it not only provides near-zero value to the majority of Canadians, it also aggravates and antagonizes a large portion f the population.  

[Moonbox]

54 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

"the more reasonable voters"?  The Americans have already voted and are stuck with Trump for the next 4 years.

Yes, but the one relic of the US system that actually still works is the midterms, and House Republicans with slimmer margins aren't going to fall in line with the Emperor if it means a guaranteed blow-out loss in states like Michigan.  

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Maybe, but I doubt it.  The problem with the CBC over the last 20-25 years has been twofold:

1) It is very partisan and very agenda-based. 

2) Its programming generally sucks.  

As a result, it not only provides near-zero value to the majority of Canadians, it also aggravates and antagonizes a large portion f the population.  

This is a narrative that tends to put all CBC content in the same pot: TV, radio, cable, podcasts, sports... not to mention Radio Canada in Quebec.

I don't have a strong feeling that a "large portion", presumably a majority, are aggravated.

 

Pollara does an annual poll of trusted sources and they come SECOND nationally after The Weather Network.  I just don't see a lot of hard data on this.

https://www.pollara.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Trust-in-Media-July-2024-final.pdf

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Yes, but the one relic of the US system that actually still works is the midterms, and House Republicans with slimmer margins aren't going to fall in line with the Emperor if it means a guaranteed blow-out loss in states like Michigan.  

Except, as we see, executive orders by the president can do anything he wants without congress or senate votes.