Truth and Reconciliation

[Army Guy]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

He'll put Indians back in their place? 🤣

The weight of expectations on Poilievre will be phenomenal.

Get ready for 5 years of near constant blockades.

Who needs a Deepstate to prevent Conservatives from making any progress, nothing trips them up better than themselves.

 

 

Your whining about something that has not even happen yet....What has the Liberal /NDP coalition done in pushing reconciliation forward...Almost nothing..But lets talk about something that has not even happened yet (Conservatives winning the election)....way to deflect on your parties failures...

[blackbird]

The Liberal government created the so-called "Truth and Reconciliation" Commission and the T&C agenda has accomplished very little except cause the government to commit billions of dollars for FNs.  It was a disastrous idea.  Accomplish little to nothing and cost billions of dollars and never-ending gravy train.  It was an attempt to lay a heavy guilt trip on all Canadians for a so-called genocide that never occurred.  Most Canadians alive today were never around when the residential schools were created and for most of their 100 year lifetime.  We had nothing to do with creating or running them, but are expected to pay and pay and accept responsibility for what happened.

Edited October 5 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Liberal government creating the so-called "Truth and Reconciliation" Commission and the T&C agenda has accomplished very little except cause the government to commit billions of dollars for FNs.  It was a disastrous idea.  Accomplish little to nothing and cost billions of dollars and never-ending gravy train.  It was an attempt to lay a heavy guilt trip on all Canadians for a so-called genocide that never occurred.  Most Canadians alive today were never around when the residential schools were created and for most of their 100 year lifetime.  We had nothing to do with creating or running them, but are expected to pay and pay and accept responsibility for what happened.

Bottom line is no government has done anything.  Blaming liberals is just narrow minded. Conservatives did nothing as well.

It is time to cut them off the teat and make them stand up on their own.

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

OK, you are F'n whacked and seriously racist.

You lost the last little shred of credibility you ever had.

Lol...I don't even understand how what I said would be considered racist to a normie like you. I'm just telling you what attitude your owners have...I am not saying I agree with them. Africans are just easier to manage. They don't save as much money as Canadians do. They don't seem to organize much meaningful resistance, etc. You don't even have to speak about the difference being racial or genetic...it is just well known that the third world provides an excellent slave class while people from developed nations are more of a headache to manage. 'Legacy canadians' aren't particularly good slaves so they need to either be remodeled or replaced, from the perspective of the elite. Don't blame me for that...I didn't make it true.

Edited October 5 by Five of swords

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Lol...I don't even understand how what I said would be considered racist to a normie like you. I'm just telling you what attitude your owners have...I am not saying I agree with them. Africans are just easier to manage. They don't save as much money as Canadians do. They don't seem to organize much meaningful resistance, etc. You don't even have to speak about the difference being racial or genetic...it is just well known that the third world provides an excellent slave class while people from developed nations are more of a headache to manage. 'Legacy canadians' aren't particularly good slaves so they need to either be remodeled or replaced, from the perspective of the elite. Don't blame me for that...I didn't make it true.

You cannot understand what is racist???

You said "The people who really rule Canada, who are not Justin, would be more than happy to just kill all Canadians and replace them with africans." '

Plus all that you say in your post.   Holy phuk.

I reiterate "You are F'n whacked and seriously racist.  You lost the last little shred of credibility you ever had:"

[Five of swords]

18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You cannot understand what is racist???

You said "The people who really rule Canada, who are not Justin, would be more than happy to just kill all Canadians and replace them with africans." '

Plus all that you say in your post.   Holy phuk.

I reiterate "You are F'n whacked and seriously racist.  You lost the last little shred of credibility you ever had:"

Lol.so help me understand. What is 'racist' about suggesting that Justin does not really rule Canada?

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Lol.so help me understand. What is 'racist' about suggesting that Justin does not really rule Canada?

Nothing is racist about your comment of Justin....(although he does rule Canada...as we have seen in the past 13 or so years LOL)

it is everything else you blurt out LOL

 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What has the Liberal /NDP coalition done in pushing reconciliation forward

Nothing? Then you're all fired up over nothing? And everyone else needs to calm down about PP because he hasn't happened yet?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Your whining about something that has not even happen yet....

That's an emoticon indicating that I'm laughing at what's coming AG. I'm expecting a spectacle of angry expectations that will only become more desperate as Poilievre's progress falters, stalls and then blows up in your smug stupid faces.

It'll be hilarious.

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What has the Liberal /NDP coalition done in pushing reconciliation forward...Almost nothing..

The Liberals made a political mockery of it for the most part, same as with climate action. The NDP got us dental-care...AFAIC that's huge progress that outshines just about anything else I can attribute to a Canadian government in years.

The SCC is clearly who deserves most of the credit for advancing reconciliation. To bad they can't be given more responsibility for doing something about climate change. That said, I expect we might start seeing that as people start suing negligent governments for damages related to climate change.

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

..But lets talk about something that has not even happened yet (Conservatives winning the election)....way to deflect on your parties failures...

This reminds me of the proverbial, 'does your dog bite' question.

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, herbie said:

Nothing? Then you're all fired up over nothing? And everyone else needs to calm down about PP because he hasn't happened yet?

uhhh.....  we WERE calm about PP  

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:21 AM, Black Dog said:

Yeah the government moved them to shitty land and ensured they were unable to be self sufficient and now people like you are like "buh how did this dependency happen?"

How long ago was that again? People like me are people who don't cut them the kind of slack people like you do. You see, I hold them to standards you don't believe they're capable of. I say if someone can pick up everything and come to Canada from Africa or Asia and learn the language and customs to make a better future for their kids then natives can get off their asses, off the reserves, and get a job. It's people like you who look down on them and don't think they're capable of work, who think they're like children and should be forever treated like that who perpetuate the miserable lives they have.

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 12:53 PM, Black Dog said:

"The Indigenous people were mean to each other therefore it's ok that we f*cked them in turn" is not a relevant argument.

Hardly. We treated them BETTER by far than they would have treated others whose land they craved. If we'd treated them the way they treated each other when they took someone's land there'd be none of them left alive today.

That's relevant when people try to guiltmonger us about how badly we treated the natives and throw out bullshit words like genocide. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 5:44 PM, eyeball said:

I suppose but what does welfare have to do with removing barriers to opportunity

What opportunity has barriers in front of it? Oh, the desire for more handouts, right?

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 6:05 PM, DUI_Offender said:

The City of Winnipeg, in particular, has done everything humanly possible to make the problem worse. First, the close down rec centres, libraries, hockey rinks, and other places that children and young adults gravitate to, in the roughest and poorest areas of the city. 

You make it sound like this is done to harm natives. It's not. It's because they're out of cash, having given too much away.

On 10/2/2024 at 6:05 PM, DUI_Offender said:

even if the city loses money on keeping libraries, rec centres, sporting facilities, and educational opportunities open in the North and West End, the trade off would be lower crime, and less chance young people have of joining gangs, since the majority of kids who join gangs or start using substances do so for boredom, or from a sense of not belonging anywhere else.

Oh bullshit. This is just more of that nonsense that if we build community centers and youth centers the gangs will disappear. I never went to a rec center or a community center or a youth center when young and I never felt the urge to join a gang and murder people. 

 

[I am Groot]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:13 AM, eyeball said:

They need treaties to formalize their relationship with Ottawa - the lack of which is a barrier to achieving their national aspirations.

IE, they want us to give them more money.

[I am Groot]

On 10/3/2024 at 1:10 PM, eyeball said:

They can't take their nations with them.

Neither can the people who immigrated here from a hundred countries. They manage.

On 10/4/2024 at 12:14 AM, TreeBeard said:

Would you reconcile with your oppressors?  

If they feel they're oppressed here they're free to leave.

[I am Groot]

On 10/4/2024 at 2:34 PM, eyeball said:

He'll put Indians back in their place? 🤣

The weight of expectations on Poilievre will be phenomenal.

Get ready for 5 years of near constant blockades.

I don't think Poilievre would stand for that, not for very long anyway.

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There are a lot fallacies in this post 

1) Comparing and ranking genocides and atrocities is silly. An atrocity is an atrocity. Besides Indigenous people were slaughtered wholesale especially in the US but also in Canada for example bounties paid for the scalps of micmac men women and children in Nova Scotia in the 18th century. 
 

Nice that you leave out that this came AFTER the micmac's took French money to attack, murder and scalp English colonists, for the bounties the French would pay them.

But do go on portraying them as helpless innocents attacked by the evil British army.

 

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

\3) Like it or not, each treaty that Britain and Canada signed with indigenous nations is legally a nation-to-nation treaty no different than any other  signed with a another nation like France or USA and therefore just as legally binding.

I think you're forgetting that any nation can withdraw from these treaties if they so desire.

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s a fact that we signed these treaties in order to get them to cede land and bend the knee to the crown, which they did. We didn’t honour our end of treaty and in most cases had no intention of ever doing so.  Signing agreements in bad faith doesn’t alleviate the responsibility to honour to honour them. 

We just need to do a constitutional amendment and then cancel all the treaties. End of story. 

And as a higher and higher percentage of the population are foreign-born the sympathy for natives will diminish to the point an exasperated populace, fed up with progressive court judgments, will just say 'enough' and repudiate all the treaties. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:13 AM, Black Dog said:

OK let's take a third of your kids away (assuming you have any) and give them to priests to r@pe, sound like a good deal to you?

You make it sound like every single kid who went to these residential schools over a 100 year period was subjected to sexual assaults from the teachers. I haven't seen any estimates, but I doubt it's more than a tiny fraction of those who went there. 

On 10/2/2024 at 11:12 AM, Five of swords said:

I don't understand why them being sexually abused is connected to them being natives. It is a well known cliche that kids in catholic schools are sexually abused. All kids.

Are you on drugs?

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I distinctly remember telling you to burn that word of the day calendar and only use words that you understand

Pfft that is hilarious coming from you. LMAO you’re one of the worst bullshitters on this forum!  Others are worse at repeating nonsense lies and propaganda but you’re a serial offender when it comes to just making stuff up, like you did in this thread just now with your talk about Canada “breaking contracts”, as I’ll explain shortly. 
 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

First off, not a fallacy. Second off only a lunatic would suggest that. Of course some are worse than others. A population of 100,000  being displaced is technically genocide now.  Are you saying that's the exact same thing as gassing 11 million jews to death? Really? No difference.  

Don't be an imbecile.

Its ridiculous of you to try to compare them amd tell someone that their genocide is irrelevant because some other completely unrelated group from a completely different part of the world and point in history died in larger numbers. Imagine if someone massacred your family and then told you you had no right to be upset about it because families larger than yours had also been massacred. You are not magically un-traumatized just because someone tells you that some other group’s trauma happened to more people. 
 

Also note that with the Jewish people, western governments spent significant amounts of their own treasure to help the Jewish people build THEIR OWN COUNTRY IN THEIR ANCIENT ANCESTRAL HOMELAND. Wheras with indigenous people it’s tue exact OPPOSITE, the goal of North American governments being being to DEPRIVE indigenous people of having their own territory in their ancestral homeland and in many/most  cases to relocate them from their ancestral lands entirely. 
 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, it was not to 'rid ourselves of the jews'. Which should be pretty bloody obvious considering that we still have Jews. It's ridiculous statement. " We spent tons and tons of our money to create a Homeland for the Jews so that we could get rid of them and then allowed them to stay no problem." 

Yes many western hoped the Jewish diaspora would relocate to Israel. There were still many antisemitic laws and prejudices.  Canada, USA and UK in particular had long-standing restrictions and limitations on Jewish immigration (such as the infamous 1939 SS St Lewis scandal where all 3 countries refused a shipload of Jewish refugees, many of whom later died in Nazi concentration camps after it was forced to return to Europe). All 3 countries maintained various caps and restrictions on Jewish immigration  for several years even after the holocaust. 
 

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We break contracts with other countries all the time. We also terminate contracts with other countries all the time and renegotiate.  

So if that was your big point I think it fell on your butt there.

Further whether you like it or not they accepted citizenship. And before that the deals they made were with the king. So I'm afraid any agreements are actually with Either citizens or a nation not Canada.

So either way that doesn't stand up at all. And not a fallacy.

Well that certainly didn't go very well for you. Did you have another argument you wanted to put forward?

Here is where you are once again out of your depth and bullshitting. What Canada doesn’t do is double cross countries and violate treaties once we’ve got what we wanted. If we sign a treaty to sell something to another country we don’t take their money and then refuse to deliver the goods, saying we don’t feel like honouring our end of the agreement. When we do end a treaty it’s by MUTUAL AGREEMENT of BOTH PARTIES usually through a mechanism that’s described in the treaty itself 

And you do understand that if the treaties are null and void then the land that was ceded to the crown under those treaties is no longer part of Canada right?  That’s how that works.  You see we have this thing called the law, you authoritarians can’t just impose whatever outcome suits your whim and fancy. By signing treaties with them which have remained law to this day, the crown for over 2 centuries has legally acknowledged that the land was originally theirs, so that undermines any of the revisionist arguments the right has recently invented claiming indigenous people have no right to claim title because they didn’t have formal borders and a western concept of “ownership” etc.  Now if you’re in favour of Canada negotiating a mutually agreeable termination where the crown retains the land I doubt you’ll support it because it will surely entail giving them more than we are right now and you can’t even stomach that. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/2/2024 at 11:10 AM, BeaverFever said:

Ah the annual racist anti-indigenous rant.

Ironically incessantly whining about the tiny percentage of your tax dollars going to someone who is not you, while dismissing genocidal acts that have consequences on people to this day is the pinnacle of “being wrapped up in your own victimhood”

There were no genocidal acts. That's blatantly obvious.

And the tens of billions spent on natives is not a 'tiny fraction' of my tax dollars. It's $32 billion this year alone just from the federal government. That doesn't count what the provinces spend on them.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What opportunity has barriers in front of it? Oh, the desire for more handouts, right?

No, the barriers to their national aspirations like the godawful time and legal process it takes to motivate governments to negotiate treaties.

You people just can't get your heads around this nation to nation thing though can you? It's why you're forever throwing these condescending tropes out.

Interestingly enough when you apply them to a nation they always fit better when describing Canada which after all, was founded on the principle of freeloading and squatting as opposed to settling.

[TreeBeard]

34 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If they feel they're oppressed here they're free to leave.

Why would they do that when they’re winning rights and compensation/reconciliation in the courts and political system?

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

IE, they want us to give them more money.

Is more money all that your own sense of nationalism and nation hood is composed of?

It's funny that so many people are chagrined about the apparent poor state of Canadian sense of nationalism these days.

Why?

[Five of swords]

56 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You make it sound like every single kid who went to these residential schools over a 100 year period was subjected to sexual assaults from the teachers. I haven't seen any estimates, but I doubt it's more than a tiny fraction of those who went there. 

Are you on drugs?

Well no, I am not on drugs. Are you?