eyeball Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 16 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What barriers??? They can go where they want and do what they want. They need a treaty to go to school? To move to wherever? To work and earn a living? They need treaties to formalize their relationship with Ottawa - the lack of which is a barrier to achieving their national aspirations. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: I don't have a great answer for that, especially in the current environment. Me neither, I suspect it'll take a couple generations to come up with it. 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I'm just pushing back at the idea that local governments are any less prone to f*ckery, Of course they're not but it should be easier to catch them in the act locally. It's hard to stab someone in the back when they're facing you at a negotiation table - you need a lobbyist in a distant back room for that. 6 minutes ago, Moonbox said: or that the only thing you should care about with the federal government is what handouts its offering you locally. You play the hand your dealt and if that's the only game in town then so be it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Black Dog Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Prove that. Ignorant? I provide evidence and proof...you? you Provide nothing, the ignorant are the ones making claims without providing data on what they claim. Sounds like another rectal pluck from you. I literally posted a link to the proof in the post you're quoting, good lord dude. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
ExFlyer Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 48 minutes ago, eyeball said: They need treaties to formalize their relationship with Ottawa - the lack of which is a barrier to achieving their national aspirations. The point was and till is "What barriers??? They can go where they want and do what they want. They need a treaty to go to school? To move to wherever? To work and earn a living? " The only reason they want treaties is to get somersetting more than what they have....for freee of course Get off the res, get a job, work, pay taxes and live where they want. There is no restrictions on any Canadian, including the natives. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 20 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I literally posted a link to the proof in the post you're quoting, good lord dude. Quote form you "linlk "Parliament never sanctioned the pass system; it was an administrative policy". Not a law... "Indians had to be kept separate from the rest of society for their own good, as contact tended to be injurious to them". "system was mainly implemented in Alberta and other regions in the western prairies" not in the entire country. Anyway, long over and waaay in the past. Get over it and better themselves? No , lets suck the taxpayer teat some more LOL Good lord dude, when will you admit the indigenous are a drain on Canadian taxpayers " Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Black Dog Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Quote form you "linlk "Parliament never sanctioned the pass system; it was an administrative policy". Not a law... "Indians had to be kept separate from the rest of society for their own good, as contact tended to be injurious to them". "system was mainly implemented in Alberta and other regions in the western prairies" not in the entire country. None of this actually disproves my point which was that your earlier statement that "there has never been a time when you could not live where you wanted" is false. Thanks for playing, loser! Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
eyeball Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The point was and till is "What barriers??? They can go where they want and do what they want. They can't take their nations with them. 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: The only reason they want treaties is to get somersetting more than what they have....for freee of course They want their nations, for the same reasons we do. We wanted ours for free but jurisprudence said otherwise. 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Get off the res, get a job, work, pay taxes and live where they want. There is no restrictions on any Canadian, including the natives. That's a different issue and once treaties are in place it'll likely be their issue to solve. Are you trying to conflate individual personhood with nationhood so as to ignore the importance of the latter? Good luck with that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cougar Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 On 9/30/2024 at 1:09 PM, ExFlyer said: So, I cannot generate any sympathy for slackers and bums that only take and give zero. Not all. Some actually work and some of them do a good job too. But overall my patience and sympathy are dwindling. It starts with our government creating a two tier society - a preferential set of rules for natives while telling us everyone is offered equal opportunities with human rights protected by the law. And then they start digging up mass graves, ask for tax payer money to be wasted in landfills, try to restrict us in all ways they can, often lying in our faces. They lie to us and, as is often the case, their chiefs lie to their own people. Then in our "open" society with the freedom of speech protected, you can't even comment on an article that has anything to do with Natives. CBC will never open the commenting section. Since now most large energy project fly under indigenous names with natives being partners, the industry is also shielded from hearing the public's opinions! A pathetic situation. 1 Quote
cougar Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Get off the res, get a job, work, pay taxes and live where they want. There is no restrictions on any Canadian, including the natives. Yes, they can move their whole Nation to Mongolia for example and start living off the land again. 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 2 hours ago, eyeball said: They need treaties to formalize their relationship with Ottawa - the lack of which is a barrier to achieving their national aspirations. Not really. That's like saying " i need my employer to give me everything i want in contract negotiatons or its a 'barrier"" Nope. They've got the tools and the rights today to move forward and build a life for themselves. And most of their first nations rights are recognized by courts already. So there is zero barriers to them building the life and future they want right now. But... that would mean they'd have to be responsible for their own destiny and most are just not willing to take that step. 1 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 On 9/30/2024 at 7:31 PM, taxme said: There are more white people in the video watching the dancing than could ever be seen at one of the Turdeau's meetings with his stupid brainless lefty supporters. 😁 the Haudenosaunee are a proud warrior nation so was Canada once when Brock & Tecumseh were brothers in arms 2 Quote
Dougie93 Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 On 9/30/2024 at 7:37 PM, taxme said: In those days Louie Riel was considered a terrorist by today's standards by the British and he paid a big price indeed, the Metis Chief was a martyr for the cause first to fight for Canadian freedom as a devout Christian Godspeed 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted October 3 Report Posted October 3 On 10/1/2024 at 12:48 AM, TreeBeard said: Would you side with your oppressors? Reconciliation demands burying the hatchet with the British Crown in North America 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 10 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Reconciliation demands burying the hatchet with the British Crown in North America Would you reconcile with your oppressors? Quote
CdnFox Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Would you reconcile with your oppressors? So you're saying their death is the only solution? Seems like maybe it would be better to reconcile. Quote
Guest Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: So there is zero barriers to them building the life and future they want right now. Out of touch with reality, per usual. 🤡 Quote
Venandi Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 (edited) On 10/2/2024 at 5:37 PM, herbie said: Perhaps your insistence that dots are not just dots, the have to be connected is the problem. The conversation I referenced was basically an acknowledgement that each of the dots was (or would be) a heartfelt apology by a tearful Canadian Prime Minister. The general consensus being the results were easily anticipated and the actions that preceded the tearful apologies all begged the same question… that being: “WTF did you think was going to happen?” Sure, they differ in terms of damage done, to whom it was done, duration and overall effect, but the general idea was that sober reflection (prior to implementation) might have saved us from falling for the unhinged madness of “good idea fairies.” Residential schools operated by religious entities... ya, what could possibly go wrong there eh? Who'd a thunk? Safe supply (drugs for addicts) and the permanent mutilation of minor children were simply seen as fellow passengers on the same boat to Crazy Island. All dressed differently but with a common destination. On 10/2/2024 at 5:37 PM, herbie said: You are on a forum where a lot of extreme right ideas are believed to be mainstream conservative ones You accidentally left out extreme left wing views now believed to be mainstream liberal ones. There’s been a polar shift under my feet to such an extent that I don’t even recognize the liberal party I used to vote for. The point of my original post here (the one you took exception to) was that good idea fairies can be dangerous because bad ideas usually have a common "WTF did you think was going to happen?" flavour to them in the after action report. I don't know this guys history but his "Bob on the FOB" memes were popular in Afghanistan and likely other theatres where stupid ideas have immediate consequences. Past sins won't be resolved on this forum but resolving to sin no more might be a good first step... Edited October 4 by Venandi 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 20 hours ago, Black Dog said: None of this actually disproves my point which was that your earlier statement that "there has never been a time when you could not live where you wanted" is false. Thanks for playing, loser! keep digging the hole Dude.... you lost LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 20 hours ago, eyeball said: They can't take their nations with them. They want their nations, for the same reasons we do. We wanted ours for free but jurisprudence said otherwise. That's a different issue and once treaties are in place it'll likely be their issue to solve. Are you trying to conflate individual personhood with nationhood so as to ignore the importance of the latter? Good luck with that. We, Canada,. are a nation. They, indigenous are a burden. There will never be an end to the indigenous wants and desires. They have a hook in Canadians and it is a barbed one...they will never let go. The unfortunate thing is that you cannot separate the two. If they remain a nation, they have no need, desire or reason to better their personhood. The get everytng for free, why not demand more? LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 20 hours ago, cougar said: Not all. Some actually work and some of them do a good job too. But overall my patience and sympathy are dwindling. It starts with our government creating a two tier society - a preferential set of rules for natives while telling us everyone is offered equal opportunities with human rights protected by the law. And then they start digging up mass graves, ask for tax payer money to be wasted in landfills, try to restrict us in all ways they can, often lying in our faces. They lie to us and, as is often the case, their chiefs lie to their own people. Then in our "open" society with the freedom of speech protected, you can't even comment on an article that has anything to do with Natives. CBC will never open the commenting section. Since now most large energy project fly under indigenous names with natives being partners, the industry is also shielded from hearing the public's opinions! A pathetic situation. I agree, there are some that do work and do very well but, the majority do not and that is a shame for the ones that do better themselves. I agree with all you say , especially if you you say anything against them. You are immediately tagged a racist even though you can prove your point and the defenders cannot. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 5 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Out of touch with reality, per usual. 🤡 Sure kid Isn't your account supposed to be deleted by now? I recall you insisting you were going to do that after you deleted all your posts on that thread where you looked stupid and then swore you'd make me pay and then said you were gone as soon as greg could delete your account? Good heavens! Don't tell me you were completely full of sh*t!?!? I'm shocked! 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sure kid Isn't your account supposed to be deleted by now? I recall you insisting you were going to do that after you deleted all your posts on that thread where you looked stupid and then swore you'd make me pay and then said you were gone as soon as greg could delete your account? Good heavens! Don't tell me you were completely full of sh*t!?!? I'm shocked! The insecurity in having to explain yourself like anyone cares 🤣 Quote
eyeball Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 33 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: We, Canada,. are a nation. They, indigenous are a burden That's precisely what they think about us and for the very same reason. 34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: There will never be an end to the indigenous wants and desires. They have a hook in Canadians and it is a barbed one...they will never let go. You need the read up on what constitutes a modern treaty in full force. If they want welfare they'll have to get it from their own nation. 57 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The unfortunate thing is that you cannot separate the two. If they remain a nation, they have no need, desire or reason to better their personhood. The get everytng for free, why not demand more? LOL It's remarkable how many Canadians feel the very same way for the very same reasons. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 2 hours ago, eyeball said: That's precisely what they think about us and for the very same reason. You need the read up on what constitutes a modern treaty in full force. If they want welfare they'll have to get it from their own nation. It's remarkable how many Canadians feel the very same way for the very same reasons. Kinda like pissing in the trough that feeds ya isn't it. They don't like us but sure like our money and free housing and everything else they have. No, I do not want to read it because our woke governments have caved into all demands,. It just pisses me off more and more. Because Canadians as a whole are tired of paying for the wants and desires of those that do not want to work and better themselves and become=m productive members of society. We seem to tolerate, if not encourage dependency. 9 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Out of touch with reality, per usual. 🤡 Oh? What is the reality from your Perspektiv??? Allow total dependence??? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 4 Report Posted October 4 3 hours ago, Perspektiv said: The insecurity in having to explain yourself like anyone cares 🤣 Then don't and go away like you saidyou would. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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