Truth and Reconciliation

[I am Groot]

For me, the answer is less, by a considerable degree. Most of those I talk to feel similarly. The conservatives complain about all the money and get angry at the denigration of our past while the liberals tend to roll their eyes and shrug like eh, whataryagonnado? I find my feelings for any particular group tend to turn downward the more I hear about them whining and complaining, especially about past - far past injustices. Most especially if those complaints are accompanied by guiltmongering and finger-pointing at me. 

I see today's natives, much as I see blacks, as too wrapped up in their victimhood to get off their asses to improve their lives. People risk everything to come here from almost every third world country because life is better here. It can be very hard, at first. They don't speak the language, have no contacts, don't understand the culture, but they prioritize their kids, and the better lives they'll have. But natives... they can't even get on a bus and go somewhere there are jobs. And if they have no respect for my culture and heritage why should I have any respect for theirs? No, I don't want to hear about 'native ways of knowing' or 'native science' or anything they have to say about healing. And no, this isn't your 'unceded land' just because your great, great someone used to occasionally hunt here. Quit holding your hand out demanding more of my money and get a goddam job. 

And spare me your complaints about generalizing. I KNOW I'm generalizing. That's what you have to do when talking about a large group of millions of individuals. No one but a fool thinks that means every single member of that group is the same.

Edited September 30 by I am Groot

[herbie]

Neither your sympathy nor Dougie's incessant ancient military ramblings have sweet f*ck all to do with reconciliation.

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

sweet f*ck all to do with reconciliation.

not all First Nations are our allies, many were enemies of the Crown

only the Six Nations of the Grand River Mohawks saved Canada upon the heights of Queenston

13 October 1812

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation Day : Lament for Confederation

Chief Dan George of the Coast Salish

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation Day : Father of Manitoba

Louis Riel

[ExFlyer]

I have less and less sympathy every year (month, day).

I see a culture that has not evolved. That has become a drain on a countrys resources. A society that is dependant on the rest of Canada for everything. A society that has no ambitions and no need to improve because they get whatever they want all the time.

A group of people that think they are owed everything because it was decided way back when to help them get educated and improve and integrate but, that failed because they are not interested. They would rather suck of the Canadian teat.

They are discriminated against because all people that here with nothing and got nothing and had to survive...and did and those people see what the indigenous get for nothing.

We have even entrenched Metis as indigenous when that is what offspring that had white fathers and indigenous mothers (or vice versa). That is o one time thing bit no, In canads it is now an entire race.

So, I cannot generate any sympathy for slackers and bums that only take and give zero.

As for doogie,  a washed up basement dwelling wannabe part time killer worshipping soldier incel is not worth listening to. He lives in the 17th and 18th century and has no grip on reality and today. LOL

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation Day : Chief Tecumseh

stalwart ally of the Crown at Fort Detroit,  in the face of American revolution

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 He lives in the 17th and 18th century

indeed

with the First Nations allies to the British Crown in North America

two peoples bound by hereditary monarchy

Brock & Tecumseh upon the Heights of Queenston

in the face of being overrun by the American republic at the gates

the very essence of Canada

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

indeed

w.... very essence of Canada

Says the basement dwelling part time incel soldier  👎

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation Day ; remember Clayton Matchee & Kyle Brown

Indigenous Canadians illegally dosed with an experimental drug known to cause psychosis

thrown under the bus by the Chain of Command at NDHQ after

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation Day ;

on 13 October 1812

Major General Brock was shot dead in the opening volley

at the sight of the General cut down at the head of his troops

the Loyalists charged the Heights, reaching the summit

but with 30,000 Americans coming across the river

they stood no chance

until the Grand River Mohawks attacked from the woods on the flank

the sound of their war whoops inciting the Americans to flee in a panic

many jumping from the Heights to be dashed upon the rocks below

thus how Canada was saved by the Iroquois Six Nations, stalwart allies of the Crown

Joseph Brant having travelled to London, England

to obtain such promise from the Crown ;

Whereas His Majesty having been pleased to direct that in consideration of the early attachment to his cause manifested by the Mohawk Indians, and of the loss of their settlement which they thereby sustained—that a convenient tract of land under his protection should be chosen as a safe and comfortable retreat for them and others of the Five Nations, who have either lost their settlements within the Territory of the American States, or wish to retire from them to the British—I have at the earnest desire of many of these His Majesty's faithful Allies purchased a tract of land from the Indians situated between the Lakes Ontario, Erie and Huron and I do hereby in His Majesty's name authorize and permit the said Mohawk Nation and such others of the Five Nation Indians as wish to settle in that quarter to take possession of and settle upon the Banks of the River commonly called Ours [Ouse] or Grand River, running into Lake Erie, allotting to them for that purpose six miles deep from each side of the river beginning at Lake Erie and extending in that proportion to the head of the said river, which them and their posterity are to enjoy for ever."^[4]

Given under my hand and seal at arms, at the Castle of St Lewis at Quebec, this twenty-fifth day of October one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four and in the twenty-fifth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord George The Third by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith and so forth

[taxme]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Neither your sympathy nor Dougie's incessant ancient military ramblings have sweet f*ck all to do with reconciliation.

The native Indians can take their truth and reconciliation bull chit and shove it up their you know what. The Indians need to go get a job and stop their fn whining. Why don't the Indians just stop taking taxpayers tax dollars and try living without those dollars. That kind of truth and reconciliation works for me. Chit, they can even buy many toys and pay no taxes on them like i am forced to do. Lets cut with the crap and try and live together w/o any more whining and demanding more money. The more they whine, the worse i despise them. 

Besides, none of the crap that happened to their ancestors centuries ago was done by myself and any other non-Indian Canadians that are alive today. The Indians that are alive today were never mistreated.  

A little history for you, lefty liberal. Did you know that before the white man came along, the Indians from different tribes use to have wars with each other and would take their prisoners captured and torture and kill them. The white man put an end to that. Maybe those residential schools taught them to not keep killing one another. A good thing, yes? 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Reconciliation Day ;

on 13 October 1812

Major General Brock was shot dead in the opening volley

at the sight of the General cut down at the head of his troops

the Loyalists charged the Heights, reaching the summit

but with 30,000 Americans coming across the river

they stood no chance

until the Grand River Mohawks attacked from the woods on the flank

the sound of their war whoops inciting the Americans to flee in a panic

many jumping from the Heights to be dashed upon the rocks below

thus how Canada was saved by the Iroquois Six Nations, stalwart allies of the Crown

Joseph Brant having travelled to London, England

to obtain such promise from the Crown ;

Whereas His Majesty having been pleased to direct that in consideration of the early attachment to his cause manifested by the Mohawk Indians, and of the loss of their settlement which they thereby sustained—that a convenient tract of land under his protection should be chosen as a safe and comfortable retreat for them and others of the Five Nations, who have either lost their settlements within the Territory of the American States, or wish to retire from them to the British—I have at the earnest desire of many of these His Majesty's faithful Allies purchased a tract of land from the Indians situated between the Lakes Ontario, Erie and Huron and I do hereby in His Majesty's name authorize and permit the said Mohawk Nation and such others of the Five Nation Indians as wish to settle in that quarter to take possession of and settle upon the Banks of the River commonly called Ours [Ouse] or Grand River, running into Lake Erie, allotting to them for that purpose six miles deep from each side of the river beginning at Lake Erie and extending in that proportion to the head of the said river, which them and their posterity are to enjoy for ever."^[4]

Given under my hand and seal at arms, at the Castle of St Lewis at Quebec, this twenty-fifth day of October one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four and in the twenty-fifth year of the reign of Our Sovereign Lord George The Third by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith and so forth

There are more white people in the video watching the dancing than could ever be seen at one of the Turdeau's meetings with his stupid brainless lefty supporters. 😁

[West]

This is basically some rich white Marxists trying to pit people against one another. Keep people angry for something none of us had control over. 

In 30 years it'll be something else. And the lawyers will continue their grift

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Reconciliation Day : Father of Manitoba

Louis Riel

In those days Louie Riel was considered a terrorist by today's standards by the British and he paid a big price for his terrorist activities. Riel was only a hero to the french and Indians of Manitoba. 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The native Indians can take their truth and reconciliation bull chit and shove it up their you know what.

Our resident redneck has spoken.

[TreeBeard]

9 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

not all First Nations are our allies, many were enemies of the Crown

Would you side with your oppressors?  

[West]

Native tribes were trying to wipe each other off the map for centuries prior to European arrival. They still don't like each other.

They should deal with that truth so they can reconcile 

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

For me, the answer is less, by a considerable degree.

Me too. Perhaps that's even more true if we extend it to 20 years.

It feels like they've been given eveything they need to start to correct the wrongs of the past and the challenges they face and they are some how MOAR angry at whitey and are doing even less to address their own problems. 

10 hours ago, herbie said:

Neither your sympathy nor Dougie's incessant ancient military ramblings have sweet f*ck all to do with reconciliation.

Of course they do.  That very statement is proof that this isn't about truth OR reconciliation. 

But the good will of the public absolutely DOES matter. 

This is a two way street. This isn't just the first nations having the right to be butt hurt for the rest of history. And if the public doesn't support further 'reconciliation' then suddenly they're going to find it hard to get any more money or support from the  gov't 

So yeah it matters. 

I didnt' send anyone to live a a school. My family didn't.. And there's only so far this 'collective guilt' thing gets to pick my pocket and step on MY rights before it goes a little too far.  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And there's only so far this 'collective guilt' thing gets to pick my pocket and step on MY rights before it goes a little too far.  

Those kids had no rights, stupid.

[Venandi]

The most dangerous critters on the planet are people who can't mind their own damn business... be afraid, these creatures are breeding in record numbers and most (I say all) of them self identify as progressive.

Where are the people who previously defended residential schools... POOF, pretty quiet now eh? Was it ever not so?

You'd almost think that nobody ever (ever ever) thought residential schools were a good idea or the right thing to do. And for sure, for absolute sure, back in the day, none of those folks would ever ridicule anyone who deemed the very idea of it morally repugnant... right?

Let's wait a bit and see, stick around, take some notes.

How many current defenders of radical transgender surgeries for minors will be defending their current views 30 years from now?

Damn few say's I. That means NOBODY.

In future, when the horrors they now defend become painfully obvious even to the dullest of the dull, the authors of the tragedy will assert that they were always opposed to such things.

Compare the critters of the past:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-many-canadians-who-thought-residential-schools-were-a-good-idea

With the critters of the future:

https://nationalpost.com/news/young-destransitioners-abandoned

It makes identifying the critters of the present a whole lot easier.

“Look among the nations and watch — Be utterly astounded! For I will work a work in your days which you would not believe, though it were told you.”

Edited October 1 by Venandi

[Five of swords]

It's basically just people complaining that they were conquered. My response is just no sh*t, it sucks to be conquered. That's why you should try to avoid being conquered. I certainly think my own people are currently conquered...and that is current day

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Those kids had no rights, stupid.

They had the rights guaranteed by the constitution and of course later on they had rights guaranteed by the charter.

But you're correct, if it wasn't in one of those two documents then they had no rights.  You see what happens when people aren't protected by actual rights? 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

It's basically just people complaining that they were conquered. My response is just no sh*t, it sucks to be conquered. That's why you should try to avoid being conquered. I certainly think my own people are currently conquered...and that is current day

They weren't actually conquered tho.  We didn't fight a war or anything with them. It's not like the states. 

The king at the time was a pretty "progressive" guy and insisted that the first nations be treated well and respected.  The problem is he didn't realize that you can't just treat another culture as if theyr'e all just englshmen who haven't learned to raise their pinkie when they sip tea yet. 

And it lead to the first nations being trained to listen to the gov't, and to let the gov't be responsible for their future, and pretty quick things went to crap. 

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Those kids had no rights, stupid.

They didn't? Says who? When?