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19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Kinda like pissing in the trough that feeds ya isn't it. They don't like us but sure like our money and free housing and everything else they have.

You don't like them and figure you're entitled to what was taken from. Kinda like pissing all yourself.

21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No, I do not want to read it because our woke governments have caved into all demands,. It just pisses me off more and more.

They caved over 50 years ago when the SCC said give it back. Where have you been?

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Because Canadians as a whole are tired of paying for the wants and desires of those that do not want to work and better themselves and become=m productive members of society. We seem to tolerate, if not encourage dependency.

The only thing encouraging dependency is refusing to negotiate treaties. And now conservatives want to stop negotiating.

Smert.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You don't like them and figure you're entitled to what was taken from. Kinda like pissing all yourself.

They caved over 50 years ago when the SCC said give it back. Where have you been?

The only thing encouraging dependency is refusing to negotiate treaties. And now conservatives want to stop negotiating.

Smert.

Look, I do not like anyone that makes no effort and is happy to live and sponge off others. It is not just the indigenous buy they are far and away the largest portion of Canadians freeloaders.

Who is "they"? The government? If "they" is government, well, "they" caved 157 years ago when we became Canada.

No, encouraging is continuing to support them in their entirety even to those that alreatdy have negotiated treaties.

Yeah, we will see. PP will be as wimpy and any leader before him. LOL. he talks loudly now but when the reality hammer of power actually hits him, he will cower and capitulate.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Look, I do not like anyone that makes no effort and is happy to live and sponge off others.

We'll then you must be a self-loathing colonist.

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who is "they"? The government? If "they" is government, well, "they" caved 157 years ago when we became Canada.

You know what they say, if at first you don't succeed try try again.

Remember you'll need a declaration of war and surrender documents to make it official.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We'll then you must be a self-loathing colonist.

You know what they say, if at first you don't succeed try try again.

Remember you'll need a declaration of war and surrender documents to make it official.

No, just a pissed off taxpayer LOL

Not at this point in history. They have accepted but now , in todays be kind environment, think they can get more. As you say (or hope) PP will stop negotiating. 

Time to turn off the tap.

 

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2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

As you say (or hope) PP will stop negotiating.

He'll put Indians back in their place? 🤣

The weight of expectations on Poilievre will be phenomenal.

Get ready for 5 years of near constant blockades.

Who needs a Deepstate to prevent Conservatives from making any progress, nothing trips them up better than themselves.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Venandi said:

Safe supply (drugs for addicts) and the permanent mutilation of minor children were simply seen as fellow passengers on the same boat to Crazy Island. All dressed differently but with a common destination.

Those issues have nothing whatsoever to do with reconciliation other than in the mind of those who can't tell apples from oranges. Two things that p1ss you off are only related in that they p1ss you off.
And I see why when you can only see the extremist edge of either rather than reality. "Mutilation of minor children" my ass.

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15 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Would you reconcile with your oppressors?  

well the First Nations are outnumbered ten to one and surrounded on all sides

furthermore Canada is being flooded with immigrants from foreign countries

whom couldn't care less about the plight of the Natives

thus, strategically, an internal conflict is not in the interests of the First Nations

so If I was advising them, I would say take the olive branch being offered

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

well the First Nations are outnumbered ten to one and surrounded on all sides

furthermore Canada is being flooded with immigrants from foreign countries

whom couldn't care less about the plight of the Natives

thus, strategically, an internal conflict is not in the interests of the First Nations

so If I was advising them, I would say take the olive branch being offered

One of the few times I agree with you.

There have been more immigrants in Canada since 2020 than the entire  (self proclaimed) indigenous population.

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5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

One of the few times I agree with you.

There have been more immigrants in Canada since 2020 than the entire  (self proclaimed) indigenous population.

But ehat would be the point of an olive branch, then? Nothing can be done about immigration until the Canadian government is removed.

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

The only thing encouraging dependency is refusing to negotiate treaties. And now conservatives want to stop negotiating.

Smert.

The treaties are what caused dependency. Those people could be independent right now. The treaty process is just an excuse that they cling to in order to avoid doing what virtually every other culture and nation and people around the world have done.

There is almost no group that hasn't suffered worse than what the first nations did and yet pick themselves up and rebuilt. Jews, Mennonites, christians, germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the list goes on endlessly.

But somehow a race of people who were rounded up and gas to death in human slaughter chambers managed to recover and even build a whole nation for themselves within a decade while a hundred years later the natives are still struggling over having been made to go to school 🙄

They need to get off their asses and start building a future. They don't need any treaties, they don't need any permission, they don't need any handouts, they just need to do it.

Instead all we hear about is how they can't because the whitey colonial oppressors are racist and made them go to school which somehow cripples them generationally.

 

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47 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

But ehat would be the point of an olive branch, then? Nothing can be done about immigration until the Canadian government is removed.

The point is that immigrants do not care about the indigenous and they are more of the population than the natives.

Immigrants become Canadians and they may push to cut the natives off the government teat. The natives getting outnumbered.

Oh and 1/4 million or more immigrants per year to Canada for decades. Long before the current government.

The immigrants are here because they have had it hard, war, slavery, killings, bombings and so on. Our natives only whine because they are not getting enough for free. How can immigrants even understand that?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The point is that immigrants do not care about the indigenous and they are more of the population than the natives.

Immigrants become Canadians and they may push to cut the natives off the government teat. The natives getting outnumbered.

Oh and 1/4 million or more immigrants per year to Canada for decades. Long before the current government.

The immigrants are here because they have had it hard, war, slavery, killings, bombings and so on. Our natives only whine because they are not getting enough for free. How can immigrants even understand that?

So who overthrows the Canadian government?

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3 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So who overthrows the Canadian government?

What a stupid comment/statement/question.

Has nothing to do with truth and reconciliation and natives.

Fact is, all immigrants would be more than happy if they got what the indigenous get. Shit, most Canadians would be overjoyed to get what the indigenous get.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What a stupid comment/statement/question.

Has nothing to do with truth and reconciliation and natives.

Fact is, all immigrants would be more than happy if they got what the indigenous get. Shit, most Canadians would be overjoyed to get what the indigenous get.

So what? How are you planning on solving this problem?

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On 10/3/2024 at 10:28 AM, Dougie93 said:

the Haudenosaunee are a proud warrior nation

so was Canada once

when Brock & Tecumseh were brothers in arms

It sure looks to me like it is a bunch of poor dumb downed white kids being brainwashed in that video. Are those white kids in the video going to Indian residential schools for conditioning? Those poor white kids are going to be brainwashed just as the woke mob leftist liberal cartel wants them to be. Our white children never gets to learn much about their own white culture anymore. Just everybody's else's non-white culture instead. This needs to change. 😇

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On 10/3/2024 at 10:39 AM, Dougie93 said:

indeed, the Metis Chief was a martyr for the cause

first to fight for Canadian freedom

as a devout Christian

Godspeed

Where are the white girls? Just asking. 

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5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

well the First Nations are outnumbered ten to one and surrounded on all sides

furthermore Canada is being flooded with immigrants from foreign countries

whom couldn't care less about the plight of the Natives

thus, strategically, an internal conflict is not in the interests of the First Nations

so If I was advising them, I would say take the olive branch being offered

So if it was you, you would just roll over to your oppressors.   

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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The treaties are what caused dependency. Those people could be independent right now. The treaty process is just an excuse that they cling to in order to avoid doing what virtually every other culture and nation and people around the world have done.

There is almost no group that hasn't suffered worse than what the first nations did and yet pick themselves up and rebuilt. Jews, Mennonites, christians, germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the list goes on endlessly.

But somehow a race of people who were rounded up and gas to death in human slaughter chambers managed to recover and even build a whole nation for themselves within a decade while a hundred years later the natives are still struggling over having been made to go to school 🙄

They need to get off their asses and start building a future. They don't need any treaties, they don't need any permission, they don't need any handouts, they just need to do it.

Instead all we hear about is how they can't because the whitey colonial oppressors are racist and made them go to school which somehow cripples them generationally.

 

There are a lot fallacies in this post 

1) Comparing and ranking genocides and atrocities is silly. An atrocity is an atrocity. Besides Indigenous people were slaughtered wholesale especially in the US but also in Canada for example bounties paid for the scalps of micmac men women and children in Nova Scotia in the 18th century. 
 

2) Israel was created by the Brutish with the support and financial backing US and European countries with large sums of taxpayers’s money. Mostly they did it because our countries were antisemitic and wanted to rid themselves of Jews.  Also it was done in response to protests, violence and terrorism committed by the early Zionist movements. 


3) Like it or not, each treaty that Britain and Canada signed with indigenous nations is legally a nation-to-nation treaty no different than any other  signed with a another nation like France or USA and therefore just as legally binding. It’s a fact that we signed these treaties in order to get them to cede land and bend the knee to the crown, which they did. We didn’t honour our end of treaty and in most cases had no intention of ever doing so.  Signing agreements in bad faith doesn’t alleviate the responsibility to honour to honour them. 

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33 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So if it was you, you would just roll over to your oppressors.   

Their "oppressors" are long dead. 

Today and for many decades now they have not been oppressed. 

Now it's time to build a life. What you're advocating for is the perpetuation of hatred and excuses. 

Ask the middle east how well that's worked out for them. 

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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

There are a lot fallacies in this post 

I distinctly remember telling you to burn that word of the day calendar and only use words that you understand

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

1) Comparing and ranking genocides and atrocities is silly.

First off, not a fallacy. Second off only a lunatic would suggest that. Of course some are worse than others. A population of 100,000  being displaced is technically genocide now.  Are you saying that's the exact same thing as gassing 11 million jews to death? Really? No difference.  

Don't be an imbecile.

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

2) Israel was created by the Brutish with the support and financial backing US and European countries with large sums of taxpayers’s money. Mostly they did it because our countries were antisemitic and wanted to rid themselves of Jews.  

No, it was not to 'rid ourselves of the jews'. Which should be pretty bloody obvious considering that we still have Jews. It's ridiculous statement. " We spent tons and tons of our money to create a Homeland for the Jews so that we could get rid of them and then allowed them to stay no problem." 

Also, not a fallacy

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Like it or not, each treaty that Britain and Canada signed with indigenous nations is legally a nation-to-nation treaty no different than any other  signed with a another nation like France or USA and therefore just as legally binding. I

We break contracts with other countries all the time. We also terminate contracts with other countries all the time and renegotiate.  

So if that was your big point I think it fell on your butt there.

Further whether you like it or not they accepted citizenship. And before that the deals they made were with the king. So I'm afraid any agreements are actually with Either citizens or a nation not Canada.

So either way that doesn't stand up at all. And not a fallacy.

Well that certainly didn't go very well for you. Did you have another argument you wanted to put forward?

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14 hours ago, Five of swords said:

So what? How are you planning on solving this problem?

I have no power to or intention of "solving this problem".

I think common sense will eventually erupt and enough folks becoming outraged ,the powers to be will solve and/or cut off the freeloaders.

In the meantime, "LAST WEEK the Federal Government released its 2024 Federal Budget. With nearly $500 billion in new spending, there is significant funding Indigenous communities: $2.3 billion over five years to fund existing program commitments (p. 280) and an additional $32 billion in spending committed in 2024–25." "Spending on Indigenous priorities has increased significantly since 2015 (181 per cent) "

And that does not include all the other government departments that are ordered to include indigenous clauses in all their financial transactions and procurement.

And repaeting "Fact is, all immigrants would be more than happy if they got what the indigenous get. Shit, most Canadians would be overjoyed to get what the indigenous get. "

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I have no power to or intention of "solving this problem".

I think common sense will eventually erupt and enough folks becoming outraged ,the powers to be will solve and/or cut off the freeloaders.

In the meantime, "LAST WEEK the Federal Government released its 2024 Federal Budget. With nearly $500 billion in new spending, there is significant funding Indigenous communities: $2.3 billion over five years to fund existing program commitments (p. 280) and an additional $32 billion in spending committed in 2024–25." "Spending on Indigenous priorities has increased significantly since 2015 (181 per cent) "

And that does not include all the other government departments that are ordered to include indigenous clauses in all their financial transactions and procurement.

And repaeting "Fact is, all immigrants would be more than happy if they got what the indigenous get. Shit, most Canadians would be overjoyed to get what the indigenous get. "

Your mistake is thinking this is a bug rather than a feature. And people being enraged won't change anything.

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11 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Your mistake is thinking this is a bug rather than a feature. And people being enraged won't change anything.

Yeah, OK???

Enough pissed off people bring change....Justin falls to PP because enough people are pissed off.

LOL

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36 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

The people who really rule Canada, who are not Justin, would be more than happy to just kill all Canadians and replace them with africans.

OK, you are F'n whacked and seriously racist.

You lost the last little shred of credibility you ever had.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

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