Five of swords Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 27 minutes ago, CdnFox said: They weren't actually conquered tho. We didn't fight a war or anything with them. It's not like the states. The king at the time was a pretty "progressive" guy and insisted that the first nations be treated well and respected. The problem is he didn't realize that you can't just treat another culture as if theyr'e all just englshmen who haven't learned to raise their pinkie when they sip tea yet. And it lead to the first nations being trained to listen to the gov't, and to let the gov't be responsible for their future, and pretty quick things went to crap. People can be conquered without fighting a war. They can even be conquered after winning a war. Quote
eyeball Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Five of swords said: It's basically just people complaining that they were conquered. My response is just no sh*t, it sucks to be conquered. That's why you should try to avoid being conquered. I certainly think my own people are currently conquered...and that is current day Well, they are voiding it by using our justice system against us. Now look who's complaining. If you're going to live by that sword you risk being impaled on it. Edited October 1 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 11 hours ago, West said: Native tribes were trying to wipe each other off the map for centuries prior to European arrival. They still don't like each other. They should deal with that truth so they can reconcile Many are doing just that, through the justice system if negotiating isn't working or hasn't been tried. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 57 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But you're correct Glad you see it. Kiss my foot. Quote
Five of swords Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Well, they are voiding it by using our justice system against us. Now look who's complaining. If you're going to live by that sword you risk being impaled on it. I'll enjoy doing that impaling Quote
Black Dog Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 20 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I have less and less sympathy every year (month, day). I see a culture that has not evolved. That has become a drain on a countrys resources. A society that is dependant on the rest of Canada for everything. A society that has no ambitions and no need to improve because they get whatever they want all the time. A group of people that think they are owed everything because it was decided way back when to help them get educated and improve and integrate but, that failed because they are not interested. They would rather suck of the Canadian teat. It's f*cking hilarious to see people complaining about Indigenous people being dependent on government when that was the express goal of 125 years of government policy towards them, but somehow that's the native peoples' fault. Open a history book for once in your life, ye gods. 2 minutes ago, Five of swords said: I'll enjoy doing that impaling lol the only think you're impaling is your anime body pillow you weird little basement-dwelling loser. 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CdnFox Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Five of swords said: People can be conquered without fighting a war. They can even be conquered after winning a war. well, while i agree with your premise we usually don't call it 'conquored' at that point. Quote
Five of swords Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: well, while i agree with your premise we usually don't call it 'conquored' at that point. What do you call it? Quote
CdnFox Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 46 minutes ago, Black Dog said: It's f*cking hilarious to see people complaining about Indigenous people being dependent on government when that was the express goal of 125 years of government policy towards them, but somehow that's the native peoples' fault. It wasn't. The LAST thing the gov't wanted was for the first nations to become THEIR responsibility. That was an unintended consequence and if anything the gov'ts of the day resented it and aren't happy about it even to this day. Quote
taxme Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 10 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Those kids had no rights, stupid. Ask those Indian kids if they would prefer to live in a tent rather than a house. I think that they would take the latter, lefty. 18 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It wasn't. The LAST thing the gov't wanted was for the first nations to become THEIR responsibility. That was an unintended consequence and if anything the gov'ts of the day resented it and aren't happy about it even to this day. We white folk get no respect. 😇 1 Quote
taxme Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 17 hours ago, herbie said: Our resident redneck has spoken. When someone makes a lot more sense, unlike our lefty liberal fools ever do here, and pretty much tells it like it is they suddenly become a redneck. Rednecks will always make more sense than any of those left wing liberal imbeciles ever will. I will take being called a redneck as a badge of honor. I will wear it proudly. Thanks lefty. 🤣 Quote
CdnFox Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 31 minutes ago, Five of swords said: What do you call it? Depends on the details. Assimilation, subjugation, repression, dependency, and it can be real or imagined. Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: It's f*cking hilarious to see people complaining about Indigenous people being dependent on government when that was the express goal of 125 years of government policy towards them, but somehow that's the native peoples' fault. Open a history book for once in your life, ye gods. lol the only think you're impaling is your anime body pillow you weird little basement-dwelling loser. So tell me, what have the indigenous done for this country since they were conquered? I will save you time...they have done nothing except take...no value added They are a drain on our country, a complete and total drain. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Black Dog Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It wasn't. The LAST thing the gov't wanted was for the first nations to become THEIR responsibility. That was an unintended consequence and if anything the gov'ts of the day resented it and aren't happy about it even to this day. It was. The whole point of shoving them onto reserves was to make them utterly dependent on the government. Part of that was out of necessity as the near extinction of the bison in the prairies threatened many Indigenous people with starvation, but there was also no denying that a population dependent on the state for survival and cut off from their own way of life by government would be easier to control and attempt to assimilate. 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
eyeball Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 Just now, ExFlyer said: So tell me, what have the indigenous done for this country since they were conquered? Speaking for myself, they've taught me the value of reassessing my relationship with our senior governments - with a view towards negotiating something better and more appropriate to local needs and aspirations. It's a value I expect will take decades to sink in. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Black Dog Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: So tell me, what have the indigenous done for this country since they were conquered? I will save you time...they have done nothing except take...no value added They are a drain on our country, a complete and total drain. Gee I wonder why a people that were violently subjugated, had their land stolen, were confined to shitty reserves, had their communities destroyed, their cultures criminalized, their children stolen and r*ped might not be in great shape today. Again: read an actual history book. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
eyeball Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Five of swords said: I'll enjoy doing that impaling So you propose a reconquest of Canada but without the jurisprudence this time, how exactly? Something Tells me you haven't thought this through. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 9 minutes ago, Black Dog said: It was. The whole point of shoving them onto reserves was to make them utterly dependent on the government. Part of that was out of necessity as the near extinction of the bison in the prairies threatened many Indigenous people with starvation, but there was also no denying that a population dependent on the state for survival and cut off from their own way of life by government would be easier to control and attempt to assimilate. That's beyond stupid. First off at the height of the school program only about 30% of first nations ever went to a residential school. And second off john a was completely pissed that he had to spend money on this. The whole school thing was a direct result of the king and the first nations making a deal whereby the king promised that education would be provided to the children of the first nations. The residential school was the cheapest and easiest way to make good on that promise There was no nefarious plan or scheme or the like. If the government had genuinely wanted to make first nations dependent on them it could have done it in a much much easier fashion and certainly didn't need residential schools. If anything keeping them on the reserve and uneducated and 100% dependent on government handouts even for food would have been much more effective 1 Quote
eyeball Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 23 minutes ago, Black Dog said: It was. The whole point of shoving them onto reserves was to make them utterly dependent on the government. Part of that was out of necessity as the near extinction of the bison in the prairies threatened many Indigenous people with starvation, but there was also no denying that a population dependent on the state for survival and cut off from their own way of life by government would be easier to control and attempt to assimilate. Around here just about every estuary to a fish bearing river is part of or has a reserve adjacent to it. It seems there was a different point being made or addressed about food resources here than around the prairies. These days first nations hereabouts have proven in supreme court they have a right to a commercial fishery. Amongst other things it was based on records the first Spanish explorers kept about exchanging things for fish with local natives. It's a pretty sound basis for all natural resources when you think about it... especially in the context of jurisprudence. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Black Dog Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 31 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That's beyond stupid. First off at the height of the school program only about 30% of first nations ever went to a residential school. And second off john a was completely pissed that he had to spend money on this. My post was about the reserve system, why are you talking about the residential schools lmao Quote If anything keeping them on the reserve and uneducated and 100% dependent on government handouts even for food would have been much more effective That's literally what they did. Under John A, Indian Agents used the promise of food to get recalcitrant tribes onto reserves and out of the way of the railroad, at which point they were 100% dependent on the government. John A also approved the authorized the pass system, which required First Nations to obtain permission from their Indian agent to leave their reserve. 2 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Moonbox Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Speaking for myself, they've taught me the value of reassessing my relationship with our senior governments - with a view towards negotiating something better and more appropriate to local needs and aspirations. It's a value I expect will take decades to sink in. That's not a value. That's "me me me me me". Two year-olds have that down pat already. 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
herbie Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 6 hours ago, Venandi said: How many current defenders of radical transgender surgeries for minors will be defending their current views 30 years from now? WTF has that even remotely got to do with reconciliation? WTF has this pinheaded meme obsession with throwing any two things that tick you off together to make them seem related got to do with reality FFS? Pretty damn obvious the only relationships or knowledge about indigenous peoples a lot of you have came over beers with your fellow rednecks. The descendants of the hundreds of tribes constantly warring in Europe until they 'evolved' into three significant colonizers now faded into history seem not to have all evolved their morals, that's for sure. We f*cked up in the past, we committed crimes and indignities with malicious intent and our current govt and most citizens recognize that fact and have admitted and apologized for that. So reconciliation is merely attempting to repair and address those issues so get with it. Evolve yourselves. Or keep posting gibberish about pomp and circumstance and lamenting the glory and attitudes of 'the old days' as if they were better than modern times. You're entitled to delude yourselves. 1 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Speaking for myself, they've taught me the value of reassessing my relationship with our senior governments - with a view towards negotiating something better and more appropriate to local needs and aspirations. It's a value I expect will take decades to sink in. The view of getting more for nothing. They were conquered and now the only thing they do is concerted effort in makig all Canadians feel gilty. They are a scourge on our society. They are takers, not givgers.. They have done nothiong. 3 hours ago, Black Dog said: Gee I wonder why a people that were violently subjugated, had their land stolen, were confined to shitty reserves, had their communities destroyed, their cultures criminalized, their children stolen and r*ped might not be in great shape today. Again: read an actual history book. Y0u were conquered. You lost the battle. You lost the war. When you battled and enslaved other tribes you gave them nothing so why are we obligated to serve you and give you everything you have including the clothes on your back for the past 300 years. You read your own history...oh wait, you have no written history so you can make it up and change it to suit you but, fact is , you killed, torched and enslaved other tribes on a regular basis.... are you paying them for your transgressions?? No! Why? Because the government is not giving you money for it as you have none of your own. Your people were violent and murderers and tortures and slave masters. You are bums, lazy ass bums just taking and giving nothing. You have not given Canada a thing except grief and guilt complex. You are a non productive portion of Canadian society and have been for 300 years. You do nothing to make Canada, you give nothing to Canada, you are just a complete drain to Canadians. Prove me wrong...What have you done for Canada in the past 300 years???? What value do you add to Canadian society? Answer that!! I do not need to hear another boo hoo you took my land 300 years ago...youl lost it and that is that. Edited October 1 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Black Dog Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 59 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The view of getting more for nothing. They were conquered and now the only thing they do is concerted effort in makig all Canadians feel gilty. They are a scourge on our society. They are takers, not givgers.. They have done nothiong. Y0u were conquered. You lost the battle. You lost the war. When you battled and enslaved other tribes you gave them nothing so why are we obligated to serve you and give you everything you have including the clothes on your back for the past 300 years. You read your own history...oh wait, you have no written history so you can make it up and change it to suit you but, fact is , you killed, torched and enslaved other tribes on a regular basis.... are you paying them for your transgressions?? No! Why? Because the government is not giving you money for it as you have none of your own. Your people were violent and murderers and tortures and slave masters. You are bums, lazy ass bums just taking and giving nothing. You have not given Canada a thing except grief and guilt complex. You are a non productive portion of Canadian society and have been for 300 years. You do nothing to make Canada, you give nothing to Canada, you are just a complete drain to Canadians. Prove me wrong...What have you done for Canada in the past 300 years???? What value do you add to Canadian society? Answer that!! I do not need to hear another boo hoo you took my land 300 years ago...youl lost it and that is that. Again: read a book, you racist shithead. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
ExFlyer Posted October 1 Report Posted October 1 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Again: read a book, you racist shithead. I did,. Your tribes exploited, killed, tortured and enslaved and stole their territory with all that they battled with. Don't be self righteous. Your ancestors were horrible people and gave no lenience to whomever thy conquered. "Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures. Indeed, war was a persistent reality in all regions" https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/military-history/history-heritage/popular-books/aboriginal-people-canadian-military/warfare-pre-columbian-north-america.html "IN THE LUSH rainforests of the upper and isolated inlets and interior of the Pacific Northwest and Canada’s West Coast, the moral stain common to the rest of humanity – Slavery – was also present. “Slavery was a permanent status in all Northwest Coast societies,”" https://www.dorchesterreview.ca/blogs/news/first-nations-their-slaves?srsltid=AfmBOoouWSRro887fFQXn1nDYghUTLYY9LL5iuKeYAVExwqXg5Ib2LMg Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures. Indeed, war was a persistent reality in all regions" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States You deny that? So, I think that you should read the history books, not the bullshit stories told by your grandfather that has been changed every time it was told LOL Once again, what have you done for Canada in the past 300 years except take, take, take. I am no racist, I am a realist and can see lazy ass bums when I see them. Canada has fed clothed, housed , educated and given you money for 40 generations and you have not given anything in return. Go ahead, try and prove me wrong. Defend your welfare society with proof.... Edited October 1 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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