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10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 If they're "terrorists" we should arrest them and if WE can't - then nobody can, never mind killing them.

Sooo... We couldn't prove he was a terrorist and we don't know for sure that the Indian gov't had him killed. 

Fair enough?

IMO it was way too early to accuse India, that's something that requires concrete proof imo. If we never prove this for certain, we look like chumps. 

And fwiw, I think that we should be investigating this with the same dedication that we "investigated" abuses of power during the Emergencies Act, the WE scandal and the SNC scandal. 

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Either we protect our sovereignty or we don't.

I think that turning a blind eye is the right thing to do sometimes.

"Awww, shucks. Look at that huge mess of dirty effing terrorist on our sidewalk. SCRAPER, STAT!"

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1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

We have never protected our sovereignty. And I'm not all that interested in starting with this guy. He should have been deported decades ago.

I'm always up for it - and we did with Harper.  "China - Don't you DARE invite the dalai lama to your country or we won't trade with you!"   Harper - "Eff you, i'm having him around for tea thursday. AND i'm putting out the good biscuits"

The fact trudeau has been lazy in the past is no reason not to do the right things now.

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36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Sooo... We couldn't prove he was a terrorist and we don't know for sure that the Indian gov't had him killed. 

Fair enough?

Nope. Different burden of proof. We're not looking to arrest india or put the leader of india in jail. It's not the same thing at all.

The burden falls down to "clear and convincing' evidence or possibly even the balance of probabilities.

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IMO it was way too early to accuse India, that's something that requires concrete proof imo. If we never prove this for certain, we look like chumps. 

I've just been made aware of something - apperenty the same global reporter who broke the china story had this one ready to go and advised the PM's office and was asked to wait 24 hours before reporting on it.  If so - trudeau didn't have a choice in the timing, he got 'caught' hiding the info again and his hand was forced.

And yes we look like chumps.  

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And fwiw, I think that we should be investigating this with the same dedication that we "investigated" abuses of power during the Emergencies Act, the WE scandal and the SNC scandal. 

I think that turning a blind eye is the right thing to do sometimes.

 

No.  Period.  If you accept that - you're accepting that corruption and things like SNC are perfectly acceptable.  And they're not.

A man who only "believes" in peoples rights or a country's sovereignty when it's convenient is a scumbag. Or a liberal.' But i shouldn't repeat myself :)  LOL - hey, we're better than that even if the person in question WAS a smearstain. We actually do believe in that stuff. We don't pretend believe just when it's convenient.

 

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

A man who only "believes" in peoples rights or a country's sovereignty when it's convenient is a scumbag. Or a liberal.' But i shouldn't repeat myself :)  LOL - hey, we're better than that even if the person in question WAS a smearstain. We actually do believe in that stuff. We don't pretend believe just when it's convenient.

I believe that he chose war with India and he lost. Tough titty.

The US, our closest ally, tramples other nations' sovereignty to kill terrorists all the time and I fist pump whenever they do it. 

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An article from 2013:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/12/narendra-modi-the-man-most-likely-to-be-india-s-next-prime-minister-is-banned-from-traveling-to-america.html

Narendra Modi, PM of India, was banned from traveling to the US during the Bush administration and was on a terrorist watchlist.

Talk about irony.

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Seems like Canada, particularly Parliament and the Canadian government is being drawn into a dispute in India between Sikh separatists and the country of India.  While I condemn the assassination of a Sikh leader in Canada, I don't know all the facts about what is going on.  As a Canadian I kind of resent being drawn into a struggle between Sikhs and non-Sikhs in India.  Yet Trudeau got up on his stage and proclaims the right of Sikh separatists to speak their "truth" and promote it in Canada.  They are in fact promoting civil unrest in India and Trudeau defends that.  I believe when these people immigrate to Canada, they should leave their beliefs about such things behind them.  They should not be demonstrating in Canada for a separate state of Khalistan and holding referendums in Canada.  Now Canada has been drawn into this mess. 

We have also seen violent confrontations lately in Canada between another group of immigrants from a different country. 

We also now have serious foreign interference in Canada because of our immigration policies and deep foreign relations involvement with Communist China. The CCP does not think the same ways as western people and governments.  They believe in authoritarianism and oppose human rights and are working on domination or hegemony over western countries.

Liberals and left have adopted the immigration policy of bringing in vast numbers of immigrants from these third world countries.  The government does not discriminate on who they bring into Canada.  This results in all kinds of unsavoury characters being in this country.  These people are bringing their disputes and ideologies with them.  This is leading to serious trouble for Canada. 

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41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Yup. Only Putin does that. The US has never done it. 

I don't know what this chart is from, I'm just posting it randomly...

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Not sure what your suggesting here, that it is common practice for nations to kill when it is nessicary.... yes it is, even Canada kills inter national on a regular basis, What do you think our SF guys do for a living....

If you really want impressive numbers why not look a D DAY, how many French men, women and children died for the allies to take their beaches , and the rest of France, and Germany....

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

By getting rid of the judiciary too?  I'm betting if we did that we'd have an even harder time maintaining our sovereignty.

 

I don't believe in judicial sovereignty. I think our elected leaders should be writing laws, not politically appointed judges chosen for their ideological enthusiasm for social justice.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Fine. Setup thousands of ATCO trailers up in the NWT and send them all there.

I wouldn't mind it but given we have a supreme court that found us guilty of 'cruel and unusual punishment' for delaying parole eligibility for serial killers I don't think they'd be willing to countenance that. 

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9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I don't believe in judicial sovereignty. I think our elected leaders should be writing laws, not politically appointed judges chosen for their ideological enthusiasm for social justice.

Our elected leaders do write our laws.  Judges decide if they pass the sniff test, the Constitution.  However they're chosen the judges have to pass that test too.

So it's actually the Constitution you need to get rid of.

You do see where this is going, or not going as the case may be, right?

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45 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I don't believe in judicial sovereignty. I think our elected leaders should be writing laws, not politically appointed judges chosen for their ideological enthusiasm for social justice.

I wouldn't mind it but given we have a supreme court that found us guilty of 'cruel and unusual punishment' for delaying parole eligibility for serial killers I don't think they'd be willing to countenance that. 

Who gives a rat's ass what the courts think? This is an immigration issue.

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At first I was outraged that India allegedly murdered a Canadian on our soil.  But looking into the story more it's more complicated and lots of politics may be going on here.

The man murdered is accused of being a terrorist by India and Interpol.  Is this true?  Who knows.  India is untrustworthy and has motivation to smear this man even if he's always been 10% peaceful.  Trudeau referred to the man as a Canadian citizen but it also is reported he had his refugee claim rejected in 1997 and 11 days later got married and his spousal claim was rejected due to "marriage of convenience".  Is this man a legit terrorist?  Who knows, we'll never find out the truth.

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I'd like to know how much NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has been involved in this story.  He is a Sikh who has before publicly defended the Sikh terrorist who blew Air India and spread conspiracy theories about the incident and protested for a Sikh independent state in India.

The Liberals are doing very bad in the polls, they do not want an election right now.  The NDP hold the balance of power and can demand anything they want from the Liberals or bring down the government.

So did Singh make any demands towards Trudeau's Liberals to make these allegations public and put pressure on India?  I see no way he didn't at least approach the Trudeau gov and pressure them to take a stand here.  Funny why all of a sudden the Liberals care about foreign interference in our country when they've ignored most interference from China including Chinese "police stations" in Canada intimidating Chinese-Canadians.

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5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

At first I was outraged that India allegedly murdered a Canadian on our soil.  But looking into the story more it's more complicated and lots of politics may be going on here.

The man murdered is accused of being a terrorist by India and Interpol.  Is this true?  Who knows.  India is untrustworthy and has motivation to smear this man even if he's always been 10% peaceful.  Trudeau referred to the man as a Canadian citizen but it also is reported he had his refugee claim rejected in 1997 and 11 days later got married and his spousal claim was rejected due to "marriage of convenience".  Is this man a legit terrorist?  Who knows, we'll never find out the truth.

There's no doubt he was a slimeball and probaby shouldn't have been a citizen

But he was. And the accusation is that the indian gov't deliberately sent someone onto our soil and killed a citizen.

That CANNOT be tolerated. I dont' care if the guy was the biggest dink in the world. You let that happen and you have no right to call yourself a country any more

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7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'd like to know how much NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has been involved in this story.  He is a Sikh who has before publicly defended the Sikh terrorist who blew Air India and spread conspiracy theories about the incident and protested for a Sikh independent state in India.

The Liberals are doing very bad in the polls, they do not want an election right now.  The NDP hold the balance of power and can demand anything they want from the Liberals or bring down the government.

So did Singh make any demands towards Trudeau's Liberals to make these allegations public and put pressure on India?  I see no way he didn't at least approach the Trudeau gov and pressure them to take a stand here.  Funny why all of a sudden the Liberals care about foreign interference in our country when they've ignored most interference from China including Chinese "police stations" in Canada intimidating Chinese-Canadians.

You can't ignore foreign nations assassinating people on your soil. I don't see JT had a choice if he has good evidence this happened.

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40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can't ignore foreign nations assassinating people on your soil. I don't see JT had a choice if he has good evidence this happened.

These are complicated issues. I understand the sentiment, but the US did the same thing with Bin Laden in Pakistan.

We need to to know exactly what happened here and what this guy did.  To what extent did this guy threaten India?  Was he really training young Sikh separatist militants in BC as India claims?  Was he helping to fund terrorism in India?  Or was he a peaceful protestor?  Why did India suddenly murder this man after 25 years in Canada?  What changed?

If he was just a peaceful political nuisance then what India did was abhorrent.  If he was indeed a terrorist and a security threat to India it's more understandable, especially if the Trudeau gov failed to act on India's behalf.

And was he really a Canadian citizen?  Was he here illegally?  To what extent do we owe him our protection based on his legal status.  We need to know more details about many things here.  But I doubt we will ever know the truth, everyone will say whatever makes them look better.

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3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Not sure what your suggesting here, that it is common practice for nations to kill when it is nessicary.... yes it is, even Canada kills inter national on a regular basis, What do you think our SF guys do for a living....

If you really want impressive numbers why not look a D DAY, how many French men, women and children died for the allies to take their beaches , and the rest of France, and Germany....

I'm saying that the US kills terrorists in other sovereign states all the time and we celebrate it. It's pretty hypocritical if we wanna cry about India killing terrorists here just because we are too lazy/stupid to take care of them ourselves. 

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm saying that the US kills terrorists in other sovereign states all the time and we celebrate it. It's pretty hypocritical if we wanna cry about India killing terrorists here just because we are too lazy/stupid to take care of them ourselves. 

They state their intent and declare war.  And they hardly do it 'all the time'.

If india wants to say 'turn him over or we'll declare war' then fair beans.  But just sneaking over and killing canadian citizens is not the same as going after bin laden or hussein after clearly stating intentions to do so and clearing it with the UN,

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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well what you're saying then is canadian sovereignty doesn't exist, and we're just going to fundamentally disagree on that. So i guess we'll leave it there.

It exists, for sure, but India is a sovereign country with decisions of teir own to make and they just made one. Good for them for having the balls to do something about terrorism.

Now our international reputation is suffering because 1) we are considered a terrorist staging ground by other countries as well as terrorist groups that want to attack America and India, and 2) India just fired a shot across our bow.

Our economy is suffering as well because now we're in a full-fledged diplomatic spat with the world's 5th largest economy and we just scuttled a trade deal with them. 

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