Trudeau says intelligence shows India was behind slaying of Sikh leader in Surrey, B.C.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Looks to me like a pattern is emerging…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/22/us-thwarts-plot-to-kill-sikh-separatist-and-issues-diplomatic-warning-to-india

 

I’m more than happy to blame China when appropriate but this ain’t one of those times.

? The US is butthurt because someone wanted to kill a terrorist in US sovereign territory ? That's like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock "'Cause people should never make mean-spirited jokes about other people". 

Did you even read the warning? Biden wrote it himself, with crayons: "Donet shute uhhh misuls at tararists becuz sumtimez they hit ummm a bunch of...

 

kidz and yer mom, ehh, wife, wil get uhhh

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uhh

[aide whispers in his ear]

reel mad et yew." 

[SpankyMcFarland]

OK, I think the evidence question can be given some warm milk and put to bed:

An Indian national is facing murder-for-hire charges in a case of what American law enforcement are calling an attempt “to assassinate a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil,” with an alleged connection to an employee of the Indian government.
 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/murder-hire-plot-targets-sikh-separatist-new-york/story?id=105241802

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

48 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

in a case of what American law enforcement are calling an attempt “to assassinate a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil,” with an alleged connection to an employee of the Indian government.

Folks at Guinness: "New entry for "hypocrisy" coming in 2023! Old record smashed by 12 orders of magnitude!"

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 9/19/2023 at 3:06 AM, CdnFox said:

Yeah, and now Modi looks like he outplayed JT.  We'll wait to see if there's anything that sticks to the allegations, but it sure is bad optics now. Unfortunate timing from Justin.

Sticky stuff is presently pouring forth from another country. In such matters going early is OK if you turn out to be correct. Looks like JT was vindicated on this particular file. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Sticky stuff is presently pouring forth from another country. In such matters going early is OK if you turn out to be correct. Looks like JT was vindicated on this particular file. 

Nobody really doubed he was correct - it was the going early part. And if anything this shows he was wrong not to wait - a few months and he'd have had all the evidnece he needed to back his claims. 

NOW - he picked that fight, hurt the economy  and was forced to back down and look like an 1diot entirely.  I mean seriously even on this board nobody argued he was not correct.

So i doubt anyone's letting him off the hook. The stupidity was going early and now losing our abiltiy to do anything about it because we were already forced to back down.

[betsy]

 

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody really doubed he was correct - it was the going early part. And if anything this shows he was wrong not to wait - a few months and he'd have had all the evidnece he needed to back his claims. 

NOW - he picked that fight, hurt the economy  and was forced to back down and look like an 1diot entirely.  I mean seriously even on this board nobody argued he was not correct.

So i doubt anyone's letting him off the hook. The stupidity was going early and now losing our abiltiy to do anything about it because we were already forced to back down.

 @SpankyMcFarland

 

 

JT isn't vindicated!

 

Look at the messaging coming out from the USA......and compare it with Trudeau coming out in the House of Commons!   Trudeau automatically made an accusation to the government of India, as behind the assassination (with nothing to support it).

 

USA messaging refers to  "someone who identified himself as a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE," and I think they also said, "alleged government employee!"

Look how India responded!  They'll look into it.  

See how diplomacy works?

 

BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

 

 

 

His big mouth is the problem! He doesn't understand that the world stage isn't the same as Boradway!

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by betsy

[SpankyMcFarland]

11 hours ago, betsy said:

 

 @SpankyMcFarland

 

 

JT isn't vindicated!

 

Look at the messaging coming out from the USA......and compare it with Trudeau coming out in the House of Commons!   Trudeau automatically made an accusation to the government of India, as behind the assassination (with nothing to support it).

 

USA messaging refers to  "someone who identified himself as a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE," and I think they also said, "alleged government employee!"

Look how India responded!  They'll look into it.  

See how diplomacy works?

BIG DIFFERENCE.

His big mouth is the problem! He doesn't understand that the world stage isn't the same as Boradway!

India will look into what exactly? That they’re conducting a campaign of extrajudicial assassinations across the globe? You think they don’t know that somehow? That’s not how diplomacy works. When a country does that on your soil they have zero respect for you. In this particular case, the Americans are more constrained than we are. They need Modi on their side against China. 

Again, we have no idea what evidence Trudeau had when he correctly accused the Indian government of outrageous conduct in Canada. 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

India will look into what exactly? That they’re conducting a campaign of extrajudicial assassinations across the globe? You think they don’t know that somehow? That’s not how diplomacy works. When a country does that on your soil they have zero respect for you. In this particular case, the Americans are more constrained than we are. They need Modi on their side against China. 

Again, we have no idea what evidence Trudeau had when he correctly accused the Indian government of outrageous conduct in Canada. 

This actually is pretty much how diplomacy works.

nobody is going to war over this. So there's going to be a bit of a dance. India will look to save face and the us is looking to gain concessions out of them and make sure it doesn't happen again.

So they'll be 'looking in to' this allegation to see if the person ever worked for them or was some sort of rogue agent etc...  but what they're really doing is putting on a show, but behind the scenes the us will be talking to them and demanding concessions and getting assurances it won't happen again etc etc

that's the us doing it' job right.  They will get concessions and india will pay penalties and will be reluctant to do it again. We got nothing, and were made to look weak and foolish and they might definitely do it again.

There's just no way to spin this in a positive fashion for trudeau. It was a mistake

Having said that i had heard a credible rumour that the globe and mail had uncovered all this investigation stuff and had advised the mp's office they were going ahead with a story and trudeau asked them to wait to let him announce it, so maybe he got backed into a corner or something and felt he coudln't wait. But it still looks bad on him.