Emergency Act commission

[myata]

9 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I don't know what you mean. 

Freudean dreams

[Goddess]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Nobody, whether in government or individuals, should ever negotiate paymet of ransom or blackmail. 

Yet you support the "get jabbed repeatedly for the rest of your life or lose your job/career" blackmail. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The EMA was a response to the violation of the constitutional rights of thousands of residents in Ottawa.

Except "inconvenience for Ottawa residents" is not one of the criteria necessary to legally invoke the Act.

You keep forgetting that.

[myata]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

You keep forgetting that.

Very forgivable and easy to forget when you make rules for yourself and can invoke just about anything on a whim just because you can.

[West]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Not if you people put your conclusions up for peer review and it's determined you demonstrably know better than the experts what if anything needs to be done.

What is it about this simple fact that you don't get?

How about f off, leave me alone, and let me decide my own risk as I'm supposedly allowed to do based on the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights? 

[Queenmandy85]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yet you support the "get jabbed repeatedly for the rest of your life or lose your job/career" blackmail. 

Employers have a duty to provide a safe work environment, a duty to protect. Since the vaccine is part of that, they have a legal obligation to insist their employees take the measures prescribed by Public Health.

Blackmail is threatening a person, or in this case a city unless they bow to your demands. You have a choice to not get vaccinated. You can always look for a job where your lack of vaccine won't endanger your fellow employees or spead the disease.

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Except "inconvenience for Ottawa residents" is not one of the criteria necessary to legally invoke the Act.

You keep forgetting that.

It was a lot more than "inconvenience." Forcing businesses to close, harassing people, trying to hold a city to ransom in an attempt to force the Municipal, Provincial and Federal governments to contradict the public health authorities and risk more lives, is more than an inconvenience. 

Whether or not it met the criteria to invoke the EMA will be determined by the Commission. How ever, it was not until the Act was invoked that law and order could be restored.

16 minutes ago, myata said:

Very forgivable and easy to forget when you make rules for yourself and can invoke just about anything on a whim just because you can.

Not even the King can make rules for himself on a whim, just because he can.

[West]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Lets examine the qualifications of the people on each side. 

One the one side we have Ms. Lich, a fitness instructor and musician. Pat King has no known training or experience in medicine. Chris Barber, truck driver (likely an excellent driver) also has no known medical credentials. Chris Sky works for a construction company and has no known medical expertise.

On the other side, we have Dr. Theresa Tam, Chief Public Health Officer of Canada with 25 years of experience in the fields of infectious disease prevention and control. We have Dr. Saqib Shah, Chief Medical Officer for the Province of Saskatchewan, one of Canada's longest serving Provincial Chief Medical Officers. Dr. Bonnie Henry, retired RCN Medical Officer, Associate Professor at UBC in preventative medicine, and Provincial Health Officer for the Province of British Columbia. I could go on but you get the picture. 

Wait. I can add one more. Donald Trump, forme President of the United States of America who appeared with Bill O'Reilly to advocate, not just to get fully vaccianted, but to follow his example and take the booster shots as well.

So, lets choose which side is best qualified to advise us whether or not to follow public health measures. People with expertise in music and fitness, operating heavy transports, and an activist employed but not actually working for his dad's construction company...

or medical health professionals with years of experience in preventative medicine and infectious disease control.

😆.. 

Who's a better expert on their body than the person? 

Don't need a beaurocrat a few thousand kilometers away making those decisions 

Edited November 1, 2022 by West

[Queenmandy85]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Who's a better expert on their body than the person?

I know, I know...

That's an easy one A Doctor. 

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, West said:

😆.. 

Who's a better expert on their body than the person? 

Don't need a beaurocrat a few thousand kilometers away making those decisions 

100% wrong.

There are a multitude of issues, illnesses, diseases, sicknesses, that "the person" would not know about if it was not for a doctor or, if "the person" realized something was wrong, it would be too late.

So no, "the person" is not the one to know their body better.

No bureaucrat made those decisions, they only relayed and acted upon the expert advice.

[Queenmandy85]

16 minutes ago, West said:

How about f off, leave me alone, and let me decide my own risk as I'm supposedly allowed to do based on the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights? 

Again, it is not just you. To the virus, you are just a petrie dish, in which to replicate and mutate to infect and potentially kill other people. You are not an island. You are a delivery system for a virus that has so far killed over 6.5 million people and counting.

[West]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Again, it is not just you. To the virus, you are just a petrie dish, in which to replicate and mutate to infect and potentially kill other people. You are not an island. You are a delivery system for a virus that has so far killed over 6.5 million people and counting.

Lol.. well considering how many folks are getting covid while fully vaxxed, don't see why forced/coerced vaccinations are necessary

[West]

12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

100% wrong.

There are a multitude of issues, illnesses, diseases, sicknesses, that "the person" would not know about if it was not for a doctor or, if "the person" realized something was wrong, it would be too late.

So no, "the person" is not the one to know their body better.

No bureaucrat made those decisions, they only relayed and acted upon the expert advice.

I would know that I've taken flu shots in the past and ended up hung up in bed for about a month... 

[West]

24 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I know, I know...

That's an easy one A Doctor. 

Okay then let me converse with my doc and keep Trudeau out of it...

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. well considering how many folks are getting covid while fully vaxxed, don't see why forced/coerced vaccinations are necessary

It is obvious to me that you have no idea what COVID is and that what it is today is not what it was in 2020 and certainly not what it was when it started as SARS-CoV-2 way back when. When it became a world pandemic that SARS-CoV was already at COVID 19 and it has constantly mutated since then.

"Viruses constantly change through mutation and sometimes these mutations result in a new variant of the virus. Some variations allow the virus to spread more easily or make it resistant to treatments or vaccines. As the virus spreads, it may change and may become harder to stop.

Regardless of the variant, a surge in cases can impact healthcare resources
Even if a variant causes less severe disease in general, an increase in the total number of cases could cause an increase in hospitalizations, put more strain on healthcare resources, and potentially lead to more deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/index.html

So, keeping on saying that vaxxed people get it is correct but, by not saying that it is a mutated version of COVID and the last vaccination is ineffective is what you are missing. Every variant is a new problem and a new vaccine is needed.

[DogOnPorch]

....then this pangolin hopped into this bowl of soup you see here and had a bat baby.

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, West said:

How about f off, leave me alone, and let me decide my own risk as I'm supposedly allowed to do based on the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights? 

No problem. You've still got all that btw.

And when government ever threatens to tie you down to a gurney against your wishes and force a needle into your arm I'll be there doing my best to stop them. 

[ExFlyer]

8 minutes ago, West said:

Okay then let me converse with my doc and keep Trudeau out of it...

Naaaw, ya don't wanna do that. he will probably tell you to get vaccinated LOL

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, West said:

I would know that I've taken flu shots in the past and ended up hung up in bed for about a month... 

Self diagnosed with the flu  Eh?? LOL

[West]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

It is obvious to me that you have no idea what COVID is and that what it is today is not what it was in 2020 and certainly not what it was when it started as SARS-CoV-2 way back when. When it became a world pandemic that SARS-CoV was already at COVID 19 and it has constantly mutated since then.

"Viruses constantly change through mutation and sometimes these mutations result in a new variant of the virus. Some variations allow the virus to spread more easily or make it resistant to treatments or vaccines. As the virus spreads, it may change and may become harder to stop.

Regardless of the variant, a surge in cases can impact healthcare resources
Even if a variant causes less severe disease in general, an increase in the total number of cases could cause an increase in hospitalizations, put more strain on healthcare resources, and potentially lead to more deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/index.html

So, keeping on saying that vaxxed people get it is correct but, by not saying that it is a mutated version of COVID and the last vaccination is ineffective is what you are missing. Every variant is a new problem and a new vaccine is needed.

The facts are that the vast majority of people that were hospitalized had multiple comorbidities.. I do not. Why would I have to lose income etc etc when I'm not at risk? 

I'm the one listening to science here. You are not

[West]

30 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Self diagnosed with the flu  Eh?? LOL

Flu shots.... you know the vaccine

[West]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No problem. You've still got all that btw.

And when government ever threatens to tie you down to a gurney against your wishes and force a needle into your arm I'll be there doing my best to stop them. 

No I don't. The government was changing their mind every five minutes and slapped on a bunch of restrictions for the crime of making a medical choice. 

It's obvious "the experts" had no clue.. the only folks I see who advocate for that much government intrusion into your lives are the ones making fat OT cheques and government pensioners. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

57 minutes ago, West said:

The facts are that the vast majority of people that were hospitalized had multiple comorbidities.. I do not. Why would I have to lose income etc etc when I'm not at risk? 

I'm the one listening to science here. You are not

I linked the science dude. It is what it is and you ain't.

[ExFlyer]

58 minutes ago, West said:

Flu shots.... you know the vaccine

Says westie "I would know that I've taken flu shots in the past and ended up hung up in bed for about a month...  "

Yeah but you self diagnosed it as flu LOL 

[ExFlyer]

Back on topic.

So, today is the start of the debacle organizers Q&A's. Sounds like the police services were not the only ones that were disorganized and in conflict with each other.

Chris Barber

"He is a self-described internet "troll" who admitted to posting racist, anti-Muslim memes online. He also displayed a Confederate flag in his businesses. He said those flags are still there in his garage, but not on display.

"There was no official leader of the convoy, Barber said.But they hadn't even arrived in Ottawa before rifts between the organizers began, Barber told"

"It was a power struggle a lot of the time," he said."

"Barber said he was often at odds with another organizer, James Bauder, who runs a group called Canada Unity. "

"Barber said some of them became concerned about the role of Pat King, another organizer."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/power-struggles-made-it-hard-to-manage-freedom-convoy-inquiry-hears/ar-AA13BmPs?ocid=EMMX&cvid=6d3ecdbc463e474ead4df55a768658a4

 

"I can honestly say that if anyone learned anything or grew during the convoy, it was me. I was a different person nine months ago. Coming out here and seeing the amount of love, all different colours, all different races ... it changed me," he said.

Barber said he also struggled to control a contingent of French-speaking protesters who set up at the intersection of Rideau and Sussex streets near Ottawa's Chateau Laurier hotel."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/convoy-inquiry-hears-of-death-threat-against-freeland-as-organizer-describes-power-struggle-among-protesters/ar-AA13CK7I?ocid=EMMX&cvid=6d3ecdbc463e474ead4df55a768658a4

 

 

[West]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I linked the science dude. It is what it is and you ain't.

We've discussed the science several times on here.. the vast majority of people who have died or who have been hospitalized due to the bug are the elderly, many or whom are in the system in long term care facilities; those who are already on death's doorstep . The others are folks with comorbidities. The experts royally f'd up and now want us still to follow them off a cliff and force you to hide out for something that obviously poses no significant threat to the vast majority of the population

You aren't following the science only quoting from the CBC.. Nice try

Edited November 1, 2022 by West