Trump Warned Germany About Russian Energy and They Laughed About It

[betsy]

Way back in 2018 - Trump had already raised the red flag on what Germany (and other EU countries) would be facing with Russia. 

 

 

 

Nobody listened.   Now - look how we're also dragged into the stupidity of Germany - with this turbines fiasco!

NOBODY IN GERMANY IS LAUGHING NOW.

 

We end up looking weak before the world!  We crowed about sanctions on Russia - every freakin week since this war started  - yet now we can't even get our bloody sanctions straight! 

 

On one hand we're giving out BILLIONS to Ukraine to fight off Russia, and yet on the other hand - we are also giving in to Russia - because of Germany.........

....................................at a time when Canadians are hurting!   Boy, we can't even fix our own crumbling healthcare system!

 

What kind of war are we into?

Can someone please explain this to me because I can't see why on earth are we into this........................ if, we are not really into it! 

 

 

As Europe grapples with skyrocketing energy costs as a result of appeasing radical climate activists and outsourcing energy production to hostile regimes, steps on how countries like Germany got here are being retraced. 

During a speech to the United Nations in 2018, President Donald Trump warned Germany against becoming dependent on Russian oil and gas. They laughed it off. 

 

"Reliance on a single foreign supplier can leave a nation vulnerable to extortion and intimidation.

That is why we congratulate European states, such as Poland, for leading the construction of a Baltic pipeline so that nations are not dependent on Russia to meet their energy needs. Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it does not immediately change course," Trump said. "Here in the Western Hemisphere, we are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment of expansionist foreign powers." 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/03/08/flashback-trump-warned-germany-against-becoming-energy-dependent-on-russia-n2604265

 

 

 

What is so freakin' hard to understand about that sensible, factual statement (in red)?   Germany is in that state because of the stupidity of its leaders - plain and simple.  The US is in crisis right now because of poor leadership.  And here we are -  going lockstep with them!

Edited August 26, 2022 by betsy

[betsy]

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine because when Putin looked around him............................. he saw only poor leaders.

Putin simply seized the moment.

Edited August 26, 2022 by betsy

[August1991]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine because when Putin looked around him............................. he saw only poor leaders.

Putin simply seized the moment.

Crimea joined Russia because of a coup in Kiev in 2014.

(Imagine if Parizeau had succeeded and separated in 1995 and Montreal's west island decided to join Ontario. The Donbass is like Gatineau.)

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IMHO, this is a failure of western diplomats - Clinton, Blair, Bush Jnr, Cheney and so on.

Churchill would never have made this error.

Trudeau Snr understood all this. As he famously said, "They will make the West Island the Danzig of the New World." 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by August1991

[betsy]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Crimea joined Russia because of a coup in Kiev in 2014.

(Imagine if Parizeau had succeeded and separated in 1995 and Montreal's west island decided to join Ontario. The Donbass is like Gatineau.)

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IMHO, this is a failure of western diplomats - Clinton, Blair, Bush Jnr, Cheney and so on.

Churchill would never have made this error.

Trudeau Snr understood all this. As he famously said, "They will make the West Island the Danzig of the New World." 

 

 

The timing was right for Putin.  He looked around him and all he saw were...........................weak leaders.

Edited August 26, 2022 by betsy

[myata]

Humans have this capacity: to never see something they don't like even if it glares them in the eyes. Nothing about Russia wasn't known since at least 2008, its invasion of Georgia. Eight years (eight!) after invasion and annexation of Crimea 2014, useless posturing and business as usual. Stupid will figure out that blind wouldn't see. Some time it could get us into real serious mess.

[Moonbox]

8 hours ago, betsy said:

Russia was emboldened to invade Ukraine because when Putin looked around him............................. he saw only poor leaders.

Putin simply seized the moment.

and faceplanted majestically.  Well done little Vlad. You set your country's economy back to the 1980's.  ?

With that said, Trump was certainly right here, as he was occasionally with other things as well.  I suspect you're not about to tell us about all the times he was wrong though, are you?  

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by Moonbox

[DogOnPorch]

There is some amazing clarity going-on about how the war is going from so many thousands of miles away.

[West]

When you consider the possibility the billion to Ukraine is an embezzlement scam it makes more sense

[betsy]

34 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and faceplanted majestically.  Well done little Vlad. You set your country's economy back to the 1980's.  ?

With that said, Trump was certainly right here, as he was occasionally with other things as well.  I suspect you're not about to tell us about all the times he was wrong though, are you?  

 

Why?

Do you think this thread is about Trump?  Duh.

[betsy]

31 minutes ago, West said:

When you consider the possibility the billion to Ukraine is an embezzlement scam it makes more sense

That's at the back of my mind.

[sharkman]

You know the expression that unethical leaders love?  Never let a crisis go to waste.  The new generation of amoral scum like to create the crisis in the first place, then push their country towards the outcome they wanted all along.  
 

This may be a long game to cause Russia to topple.  No wonder Russia isn’t taking it lying down…

[August1991]

On 8/26/2022 at 9:24 AM, betsy said:

 

The timing was right for Putin.  He looked around him and all he saw were...........................weak leaders.

Betsy,

The US and Canada recently changed voting districts.

I have no objection to how anyone changes borders - as long as no one dies in the process.

 

[myata]

On 8/26/2022 at 3:35 PM, sharkman said:

This may be a long game to cause Russia to topple.

Wow wow poor Russia invaded and massacred all of its neighbors and all because it's bad bad West's fault. A psycho is envious just not working out so smoothly.

[Yzermandius19]

19 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

haha. You think the man which knocked at the door of the KGB at age 14 did his planning when they were "weak" leaders? "Weak" leaders according to who?

JFK's restraint saved the world from nuclear war, if your man Donnie was in power at that time I wonder how things would have turned out? Was JFK weak according to you?

You want a strong tribal leader, this mentality is very popular in Russia, if you are not happy with our western system do you consider moving to Russia and paying your taxes to Vlad.

The Russians from the Tsar always preffer "strong" leaders with a brief period of attempted democracy. Did not do them in any good in history and they left nothing behind.

when Bush 43 was in office, Putin made a move on Georgia

when Obama was in office, Putin took Crimea

when Trump was in office, Putin bided his time

with Biden in office, Putin invades Ukraine

Putin is clearly better behaved when Donnie is CinC

and makes big moves when he isn't

you do the math

Edited August 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[sharkman]

8 hours ago, myata said:

Wow wow poor Russia invaded and massacred all of its neighbors and all because it's bad bad West's fault. A psycho is envious just not working out so smoothly.

The long game.  That means 15, 20 years ago.  Maybe before Russia broke apart.

[herbie]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

when Trump was in office, Putin bided his time

He was too busy getting his balls sucked by Trump.

[Boges]

I think anyone could have realized that Germany's energy policy is a bit of a joke. 

 

[myata]

3 hours ago, sharkman said:

Maybe before Russia broke apart.

It helps to brush up on history. Before "Russia" broke up it was called USSR, it invaded and massacred Hungary, Chekhoslovakia, Poland, annexed Baltic states and part of Finland and was one of the most obvious communist totalitarian states. Not to mention, killed millions of her own citizens. Some poor baby sure.

Edited August 30, 2022 by myata

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

He was too busy getting his balls sucked by Trump.

fake news

but even if it was true

it kept Putin from starting shit

unlike the other POTUS's

[herbie]

So you like a POTUS that sucks balls then? Russia & N Korea do too!

Edited August 31, 2022 by herbie

[herbie]

BTW the mods should move this to US Politics, it has nothing to do with Canada

[betsy]

13 hours ago, Boges said:

I think anyone could have realized that Germany's energy policy is a bit of a joke. 

 

 

A bit of a joke?  That's putting it mildly.

AND YET........we're twisting with Germany right now!

 

 

So far, how many BILLIONS - IN TOTAL - which include military supplies -  have we thrown to this alleged "war?"

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by betsy

[myata]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

alleged "war?"

Then WWII must have been alleged too. Allies should have stayed home and counted their millions when one day... what? Where's your blog, in the Nazis world?

[Boges]

4 hours ago, betsy said:

A bit of a joke?  That's putting it mildly.

AND YET........we're twisting with Germany right now!

You mean NATO? 

The precedent of just letting a democracy be annexed by a brutal dictator was pretty well set in 1939. They rarely stop there. 

 

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So far, how many BILLIONS - IN TOTAL - which include military supplies -  have we thrown to this alleged "war?"

I doubt we've spent Billions. The Americans, on the other hand. 

 

[DogOnPorch]

We're up to around $800 million in rather dubious unsecured federal government 'loans' to Ukraine. This is separate from all the lethal aid...guns & ammo etc.  Also separate from any provincial efforts and charities et al...

We won't see a dime. Someone might be getting a kickback or three.