War In Ukraine

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

There it is...I just knew if I followed this long enough, one of you would play your real hand.

Fish on!

[Contrarian]

Iranian military advisers killed in Crimea

Ukraine's top security official has confirmed the deaths of Iranian military advisers in Crimea. 

Reports in Israeli media said 10 were killed by Ukrainian military strikes in the Russian-occupied territory in October. 

via SkyNews

Edited November 25, 2022 by Contrarian

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/03/pentagon-funding-biolabs-in-ukraine-real-concern-of-pathogen-releases-if-russia-attacks/

Did you read the article and what it said?

🙄

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Fish on!

I'm a pretty good fisherman...eh?

[Nationalist]

59 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Did you read the article and what it said?

🙄

Of course. It claims the biolabs are there for perfectly innocent reasons.

Do I believe that? Not really. Not after learning the US government has been financing and running biolabs all along.

Like in Wuhan.

Nope...once bitten...

[eyeball]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I'm a pretty good fisherman...eh?

Not as good as me.

 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not as good as me.

 

Nice boat. Is that yours?

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

By your Ukrainian Nazi friends.

No. By reality and the world, which is inconvenient for Kremlin propagandists like you 

Edited November 25, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Of course. It claims the biolabs are there for perfectly innocent reasons.

Do I believe that? Not really. Not after learning the US government has been financing and running biolabs all along.

Like in Wuhan.

Nope...once bitten...

Every developed country has “biolabs,” genius. Its not evidence that they are planning to launch a preemptive strike against their neighbours with newly invented biological weapons (as opposed to the countless varieties already available) that would wipe out both countries for no reason whatsoever.  
 

Furthermore, having a biology lab is not the same thing as developing weaponized biological agents.  And having a biology lab is not even remotely the same thing as manufacturing a military weapon system that can deliver a biological payload to a designated target. 
 

Lastly the Kremlin apologists have completely failed to explain how annexing Crimea and Donbas would somehow prevent an attack from these fictional “biolabs”. If anything that would trigger an attack which has yet to happen for some unexplained reason . 

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/03/pentagon-funding-biolabs-in-ukraine-real-concern-of-pathogen-releases-if-russia-attacks/

Your own link says Russian biolabs claims are BS and clearly says they’re for disposal and safe storage of leftover Soviet bio weapons material. Which is 100% completely different from manufacturing new biowepons

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nice boat. Is that yours?

I had one much like it. I was running the boat in the picture for the last year it was a Canadian boat. It's up in Alaska now.

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Your own link says Russian biolabs claims are BS and clearly says they’re for disposal and safe storage of leftover Soviet bio weapons material. Which is 100% completely different from manufacturing new biowepons

Yes well...I bet you know how much I believe that...don't you.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I had one much like it. I was running the boat in the picture for the last year it was a Canadian boat. It's up in Alaska now.

Nice. Fishing is in my retirement plans. Not on a boat like that mind you...a little tub with a small motor so I can go out on the water and hear...nothing.

[eyeball]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Nice. Fishing is in my retirement plans. Not on a boat like that mind you...a little tub with a small motor so I can go out on the water and hear...nothing.

I'm way ahead of you in my little dinghy. It's got a new 15hp Merc with an electric starter.  Perfect little one man crabln' and jiggin' boat. Works fine for taking grand-kids out to look for bears at low tide too.  It's so quiet you can hear the bears rolling rocks over and crunching back the little crabs they're after.  Every now and then they catch a big one.

In any case to bring it all back to the topic...

[BeaverFever]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes well...I bet you know how much I believe that...don't you.

So why did you link it? What evidence do you have aside from your own conspiracy-addled brain ?

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So why did you link it? What evidence do you have aside from your own conspiracy-addled brain ?

You said there was no evidence of biolabs. I showed you there is.

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You said there was no evidence of biolabs. I showed you there is.

🙄

But its an article that says Biolabs conspiracies from people like you are full of shyte and you said you don’t believe the article!   Don’t you see how ridiculous you’re being?

Edited November 25, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

🙄

But its an article that says Biolabs conspiracies from people like you are full of shyte and you said you don’t believe the article!   Don’t you see how ridiculous you’re being?

Nope. Sorry. I showed you there ARE biolabs. Now...the military is certainly not gonna come out and say, 'Yup. We're making biological weapons there.'

The labs exist. Gawd knows what they are doing in them.

[Contrarian]

Ukrainian Special Forces In Close Combat During Operation South Of Dibrova.

Mobilised Russian soldiers train with Anti-tank missiles in Siberia.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Contrarian

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Nope. Sorry. I showed you there ARE biolabs. Now...the military is certainly not gonna come out and say, 'Yup. We're making biological weapons there.'

Right.  Biolabs.  Those aren't the same things as bioweapon labs.  Unless you live way out in rural BF nowhere, YOU probably live close to a "biolab".  My sister works at "a biolab".  My friend works down the road at a "biolab" at the university.  Biolabs are everywhere.  The article you linked made a point of refuting your the BS you're trying to parrot from the Kremlin, but such are your abilities to warp reality around you that all you can offer, "of COURSE they deny it".  🤡 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Right.  Biolabs.  Those aren't the same things as bioweapon labs.  Unless you live way out in rural BF nowhere, YOU probably live close to a "biolab".  My sister works at "a biolab".  My friend works down the road at a "biolab" at the university.  Biolabs are everywhere.  The article you linked made a point of refuting your the BS you're trying to parrot from the Kremlin, but such are your abilities to warp reality around you that all you can offer, "of COURSE they deny it".  🤡 

Dude if you wanna believe the US military, after all that has gone on the last couple years...bully for you.

Me? I'll just rely on more independent sources...and my better judgment. 

[Contrarian]

Key Recent Events:

• Reports of a group of understaffed and ill-supplied mobilised personnel are dividing the Russian information space.
• President Vladimir Putin falsely presented a meeting with hand-picked women as an open discussion with mothers of mobilized personnel.
• An investigation by Forbes’ Ukrainian service revealed that the war in Ukraine has had a serious financial impact on the Russian Federation’s annual budget.
• The Russian MoD may have increased the frequency of POW exchanges to soothe discontent in the Russian information space.
•  A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces killed Iranian military advisors in Russian-occupied Crimea and threatened to target Iranian military presence on Ukrainian territory.
• Russian military leadership may be circulating a document stating that Russia needs to mobilize five million personnel to win the war in Ukraine, which Russia cannot do.
• Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks to regain lost positions northwest of Svatove and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued to conduct offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas, and influential Russian figures may be setting informational conditions to deflect blame for a lack of progress in the Bakhmut area.
• Russian forces continued to establish defenses south of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and around critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting Crimea to southern Kherson Oblast.
• Russian sources and officials continue attempts to shape the narrative around a likely second partial mobilization while denying the potential for general mobilization.
• Russian officials are continuing efforts to stimulate demographic change in occupied areas of Ukraine by deporting Ukrainian residents and replacing them with imported Russian citizens.
  
  https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-25
  
  Artillery Is Breaking in Ukraine. It’s Becoming a Problem for the Pentagon. Ukrainian soldiers are firing thousands of shells daily, forcing the U.S. to replace gun barrels across the border in Poland.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html

[Moonbox]

On 11/25/2022 at 6:34 PM, Nationalist said:

Dude if you wanna believe the US military, after all that has gone on the last couple years...bully for you.

I don't have to believe the US military to also not believe anything coming out of the Kremlin.  

On 11/25/2022 at 6:34 PM, Nationalist said:

Me? I'll just rely on more independent sources...and my better judgment. 

Yes, "inderpendernt" sources - blogs, reddit, telegram, news sites where "journalists" don't post their real names and provide fake bios etc.  🥴

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I don't have to believe the US military to also not believe anything coming out of the Kremlin.  

Yes, "inderpendernt" sources - blogs, reddit, telegram, news sites where "journalists" don't post their real names and provide fake bios etc.  🥴

Fine. So there are biomass in Ukraine. Doing what? Nobody knows.

I don't use reddit as a news source. I left reddit in digust a long time ago.

[Contrarian]

3 Scenarios from an eastern European think tank, pragmatic: 

1. Russia hopes that this cold winter will lead to Ukraine backing down. Giving up territories.  

2. Ukraine tries to go further, the audit in the US might stagnate additional help, fatigue in Europe and risk of populism might make politicians in the West be cautious with the finances, leading to a frozen conflict as advancement will not be possible. 

3. Ukraine manages to reach Crimea, however in this most positive scenario, there is a high risk of nuclear response. 

Although Mark Milley was criticised that he made a strategically bad point for the United States to propose Ukraine negotiate and its advantages, such a move by a Pentagon official which has access to classified information has to be taken seriously. The Pentagon has access to information that all of us do not in my opinion. 

I think we are entering another dangerous zone of the conflict, as there is no way Russia can be given point 1 because no matter how you put it, a negotiation and eventually giving up territories will mean a win for Russia in this war. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Contrarian