War In Ukraine

[Boges]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I'm anti-stupidity. They can defend their nation all they like. But as they are NOT a NATO ally...NATO needs to stay the hell out of it.

I should not be paying for a war that only produces costs for us and and no benefit.

Spare you? Shall we rehash what  the Canadian military observed a few years ago?

You can make dumb-assed threats all day long...so what?

You're actually quite pro-stupidity. Because it's stupid to sit by and let Putin take over the second largest nation in Europe because he's butt hurt they won't let him install a puppet. 

You really can't even hide your Pro-Putin bias anymore. You reek of it. 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're actually quite pro-stupidity. Because it's stupid to sit by and let Putin take over the second largest nation in Europe because he's butt hurt they won't let him install a puppet. 

You really can't even hide your Pro-Putin bias anymore. You reek of it. 

If I smell so bad to you...take your dumb-assed, dangerous and destructive ideals...and go "fight the good fight". I'm sure you'd prefer the fresh scent of rotting dead bodies to the..."reek" of truth.

Oh and...make sure you tell the Ukes how proud you are of them...while they freeze and starve and die...so you can wave your morality around like some self absorbed little nerd.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Nationalist

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If I smell so bad to you...take your dumb-assed, dangerous and destructive ideals...and go "fight the good fight". I'm sure you'd prefer the fresh scent of rotting dead bodies to the..."reek" of truth.

Ahhh that tired argument again. It's good to know your creativity isn't as strong as your love for Putin. 

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Oh and...make sure you tell the Ukes how proud you are of them...while they freeze and starve and die...so you can wave your morality around like some self absorbed little nerd.

Because your hero likes to target civilians. And you root him on. 

But it's their fault for not letting Putin to get what they want. And NATO? the nerve of supporting an independent Democracy against perhaps the most evil dictators in the world.  

Edited December 2, 2022 by Boges

[Contrarian]

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Friday urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict in Ukraine as soon as possible, "including a withdrawal of Russian troops," Scholz's spokesman said, quoted by Reuters.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I have to say, this is one of the weirdest wars I've ever seen.  I mean, first it was "There's no biolabs in Ukraine" and then like a week later it was "OK, there's biolabs and we're worried Russia will use our own bioweapons against us".

It was never "no biolabs".  It was "no bioweapon labs".  

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

The war machine's purpose isn't peace.  Or even victory.  Its purpose is to transfer millions of dollars from the public coffers to the wallets of a few war-mongers.

You're not entirely wrong.  The MIC certainly has its reasons to push conflict and fear where it can, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't support Ukraine against Russian aggression.  It's just something we need to recognize in our decision making.  

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This BS needs to end now, instead of the protracted suffering too many vampires want.

Yep.  NATO should send troops into Ukraine on a humanitarian mission to alleviate civilian suffering.

[Contrarian]

Major disappointment for how I see it anyhow, was on the fence if he was a hero or a traitor. If you claim you did all that for your country, go home and get arrested my friend -> You will be a hero for many and your ideas will live on and never know how the political climate can change one day -> he chose other path though, the comfort path:

Edward Snowden, a former National Security Agency contractor who leaked information about U.S. surveillance programs, swore an oath of allegiance to Russia and has collected his Russian passport, his lawyer told state media on Friday.

- Washington Post. 

Edward Snowden is wanted for espionage charges in the United States of America. 

The question is -> will he be drafted in Russia? 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Contrarian

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yep.  NATO should send troops into Ukraine on a humanitarian mission to alleviate civilian suffering.

 

That would be interesting to watch.

Dangerous as hell...but interesting. 

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That would be interesting to watch.

Dangerous as hell...but interesting. 

I think the humanitarian arguments for doing so are powerful enough to make it a moral duty of any nation to move their troops into Ukraine.  It would be nice to build a coalition of willing nations but we shouldn't have to wait for approval to do the right thing.

Canada has a history of defining itself as a nation when conflict is at the centre of everyone's attention so perhaps this could appeal to a nationalist who is proud of their nation's achievements.

[Goddess]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

powerful enough to make it a moral duty of any nation to move their troops into Ukraine. 

Wow.

First you say you don't care how many kids die or are maimed for life from the jabbers - you want them all jabbed anyway and now you want the world's young people sent off to war.

You sure are generous with the lives of OTHER people's kids.

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

First you say you don't care how many kids die or are maimed for life from the jabbers - you want them all jabbed anyway and now you want the world's young people sent off to war.

You sure are generous with the lives of OTHER people's kids.

You sure are full of shit when it comes to what other people say.

[Contrarian]

Recent Key Takeaways:

• Russia is attempting to capitalize on the Western desire for negotiations to create a dynamic in which Western officials feel obliged to make preemptive concessions to lure Russia to the table.
• Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reiterated as the basis for negotiations precisely the same demands that the Russian Foreign Ministry had made before the February 24 invasion, and Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitrii Peskov added the further demand that the West recognize Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territory.
• Russian forces still pose a threat to Ukrainian energy infrastructure despite the success of Ukrainian air defenses.
• Additional Western air defense systems are prompting the Russian pro-war community to question the Russian air campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure.
• Russian officials are setting conditions to negotiate the demilitarization of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP), an agreement upon which Russia would likely renege and that would not eliminate or diminish the ongoing threat to the ZNPP.
• Ukrainian forces made localized breakthroughs southwest and northwest of Kreminna.
• Russian forces continued to make minimal advances in the Bakhmut area and conduct offensive operations in the Avdiivka–Donetsk City area.
• Russian forces may be struggling to properly allocate and deploy forces in rear areas in southern Ukraine due to Ukrainian strikes.
• Poor logistics, unruly mobilized personnel, and domestic protests continue to prevent the Kremlin from achieving the goals of partial mobilization.
• Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to attempt to mask military development projects in occupied territories for no obvious reason.
  
  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-2
   

Edited December 3, 2022 by Contrarian

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think the humanitarian arguments for doing so are powerful enough to make it a moral duty of any nation to move their troops into Ukraine.  It would be nice to build a coalition of willing nations but we shouldn't have to wait for approval to do the right thing.

Canada has a history of defining itself as a nation when conflict is at the centre of everyone's attention so perhaps this could appeal to a nationalist who is proud of their nation's achievements.

A moral duty? 

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/12/03/uknz-d03.html

You Libbies claim moral superiority all the time. Only to be shown as dim-witted lemmings who don't really understand what morality is.

You want morality? Sue for peace now...and keep the Gawd-Damn Brits and Yankees out of the negotiation process.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You want morality? Sue for peace now...and keep the Gawd-Damn Brits and Yankees out of the negotiation process.

So...let Russia have what it wants then.  That's your solution.  🤡

 

[Contrarian]

Entrenched soldiers from Połk Kalinoŭskaha (Belarusian volunteer regiment) engage Russian forces with an M2 Browning HMG.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

The Russian oil price cap approved by Western allies on Friday aims to prevent countries from paying more than $60 (£48) for a barrel of Russian crude transported by sea. The measure - due to come into force on Monday - steps up Western pressure on Russia over the invasion, the BBC reports in an analysis.

The price cap on Russian oil was proposed in September by the G7 group of industrialized nations (the US, Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the EU) in an attempt to damage Moscow's ability to finance the war in Ukraine. In a joint statement, the G7, the European Union and Australia said the decision was taken to "prevent Russia from profiting from its war of aggression against Ukraine".

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The Kremlin indicated on Saturday that will not accept the price cap, after the EU, G7 countries and Australia agreed on a cap of $60 per barrel, reports AFP. "We will not accept this ceiling," Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the press, quoted by Russian news agencies. He mentioned that Moscow was prepared for such a ceiling, without giving any other details. Russia has repeatedly stated that it will not supply oil to countries that apply a cap, a position reaffirmed on Saturday on social media by Mikhail Ulyanov, the Russian ambassador to international organizations in Vienna. "Starting this year Europe will live without Russian oil," he wrote.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Contrarian

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

So...let Russia have what it wants then.  That's your solution.  🤡

 

No clown-boy.

Negotiate a peaceful settlement. 

You know...one that the Ukes and Russians can live with...without killin' each other.

It would make you howl and scream but...who really cares?

[Contrarian]

Ukraine: 

Russia: 

[Moonbox]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No clown-boy.

Negotiate a peaceful settlement. 

Where Russia annexes 20% of Ukraine, or whatever they're up to now, which is just letting them take what they can/want.  

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You know...one that the Ukes and Russians can live with...without killin' each other.

Best way for Russians to stop dying is for them to leave Ukraine.  🙃

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It would make you howl and scream but...who really cares?

Like you're "howling and screaming now", because your wishes aren't coming true 🤡

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Where Russia annexes 20% of Ukraine, or whatever they're up to now, which is just letting them take what they can/want.  

Best way for Russians to stop dying is for them to leave Ukraine.  🙃

Like you're "howling and screaming now", because your wishes aren't coming true 🤡

Are you enjoying this little war? Like the protracted killin' pleasing, do ya?

I don't. Negotiate, declare peace, and get in with livin'.

[Moonbox]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Are you enjoying this little war? Like the protracted killin' pleasing, do ya?

Nope, but it's moronic to blame the people defending themselves from invasion, or the folks helping them do so.  The simplest and most reasonable solution is for Russia to...stop invading!

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't. Negotiate, declare peace, and get in with livin'.

Here's an offer to the Russians that will work for everyone:  Leave Ukraine.  Don't come back.  The war is over.  🙃

[Nationalist]

56 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nope, but it's moronic to blame the people defending themselves from invasion, or the folks helping them do so.  The simplest and most reasonable solution is for Russia to...stop invading!

Here's an offer to the Russians that will work for everyone:  Leave Ukraine.  Don't come back.  The war is over.  🙃

If you can convince them to do so, bully. You fly right over and explain the to them.

[Contrarian]

U.S. intelligence expects the reduced tempo in fighting in Ukraine to continue in the next several months and sees no evidence of a reduced Ukrainian will to resist, despite attacks on its power grid and other critical winter infrastructure, the Director of National Intelligence said.

"We're seeing a kind of a reduced tempo already of the conflict ... and we expect that's likely to be what we see in the coming months," Avril Haines told the annual Reagan National Defense Forum in California.

Haines said she thought Russian President Vladimir Putin had been surprised that his military had not accomplished more.

Haines said Putin's political objectives in Ukraine did not appear to have changed, but U.S. intelligence analysts thought he may be willing to scale back his near-term military objectives "on a temporary basis with the idea that he might then come back at this issue at a later time."

Haines said the United States had "seen some movement" in supplies of munitions from North Korea, "but it's not been a lot at this stage."

via Reuters

Edited December 4, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

As the weather is turning cold in Ukraine, former senior military intelligence and security officer, Phillip Ingram, explains how the conditions are impacting operations on the front line for both Russia and Ukraine.

SkyNews

 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

In Death Road documentary, one of the many war crimes against Ukrainian civilians is reconstructed with the help of witnesses, victims, documents and drone footage. 

Who were the perpetrators? As it turns out, there is a good deal of evidence: Occupying soldiers failed to remove incriminating evidence before they withdrew from the northern suburbs of Kyiv. Along the Zhytomyr highway, where the soldiers had set up camp, reporters uncovered a papertrail.

Among other documents, they found forms that Russian soldiers had countersigned for the receipt of weapons and ammunition.

These clues lead to a notorious Russian army unit. 

See video below (DW - German Public TV): 

Edited December 4, 2022 by Contrarian