War In Ukraine

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I've already noted in this thread, I believe, that the EU had planned ahead and all their stockpiles of oil and LNG are full. They can't import much more. 

This price cap is dropping the global price of oil. 

Ya ya ya...great planning...

I guess that's why there's so many huge protests. Must be boredom eh?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/17351230/cant-afford-to-put-heating-on-after-bill-doubled/

[Contrarian]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya ya ya...great planning...

I guess that's why there's so many huge protests. Must be boredom eh?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/17351230/cant-afford-to-put-heating-on-after-bill-doubled/

Is the Sun, like every populist newspaper tend to overexaggerate. They have good videos from the reality of war, however the news, they were the first EU sceptics so BIAS alert. 😆

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Is the Sun, like every populist newspaper tend to overexaggerate. They have good videos from the reality of war, however the news, they were the first EU sceptics so BIAS alert. 😆

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/environment/thousands-march-in-eastern-germany-to-protest-soaring-energy-prices/2696034

[Boges]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya ya ya...great planning...

I guess that's why there's so many huge protests. Must be boredom eh?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/17351230/cant-afford-to-put-heating-on-after-bill-doubled/

The invasion has cost an overall rise in the price of oil. 

Of course you want to blame the West for that because they didn't just allow Russia to Annex Ukraine. 

OPEC is also to blame for severely cutting production. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Luz P. said:

Everybody knew that trying to rope Ukraine into NATO was crossing Russia’s red line, but now people would like to hold up Russia as a villain. After having done everything to teeter on the redline. And this happened only AFTER Biden came to power.

 

https://prnigeria.com/2022/03/05/how-western-strategic-thinkers/

When you bomb civilians and annex foreign countries you are ALWAYS the villain. FULL STOP

Blaming Ukraine (or NATO) for “provoking” Russia’s invasion is like blaming a rape victim and for “provoking” her rapist. 

[Contrarian]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/environment/thousands-march-in-eastern-germany-to-protest-soaring-energy-prices/2696034

Also populistic newspaper, known as Erdogan's paper. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

The suffering of the Ukrainian people which you CLAIM to care about is the result of Russian attacks  FULL STOP

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

This BS started with an unjustified Russian invasion and will most quickly end with an unconditional Russian withdrawal. FULL STOP

Good luck with that. Especially now that Russia has formally claimed the eastern region.

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The suffering of the Ukrainian people which you CLAIM to care about is the result of Russian attacks  FULL STOP

Oh I'm pretty darn sure the Ukes had a hand in creating this mess. Just ask the Canadian military that went over there to train their troops...quite a bit BEFORE the Russians ever made a move.

https://www.thesuburban.com/news/report-reveals-canadian-forces-trained-neo-nazi-ukrainian-battalions/article_73fc64c4-7d83-5aa1-9167-3a1028f16fdb.html

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

If you really care about ending the conflict and suffering you would demand an immediate and unconditional Russian withdrawal. FULL STOP

Beave...I prefer to live in what some people call..."reality". The "reality" of this sad situation is this;

1. Russia HAS annexed that eastern region and are incredibly unlikely to give it up.

2. Russia HAS about destroyed the Ukrainian infrastructure.

3. People in Kiev are now living in the subway.

4. There might have been a peace deal last summer...until the Yankees and the Brits stuck their military-industrial complex in the way.

5. Unless the USA and Britain intend on sending their own troops to this war, its already over. It was a long time ago.

6. In what we call "reality", the Ukes are gonna suffer needlessly all winter. Many will die. And for what? A sliver of land that was always primarily Russian since...like...forever? You're pretty cavalier with the welfare of other people there Beave. But I suspect you'd be among the first to crumble if the lights quit working here.

FULL STOP.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

They must think we should have let Hitler overrun Europe until the “auditors ” accounted for all the military aid we provided the allies.

According @Nationalistthe Battle of Britain was just a scam for Churchill to get rich I suppose.Why else would anyone want to defend their country from invasion by a tyrannical dictator?

LOL...ok sweetums...

[Nationalist]

40 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Also populistic newspaper, known as Erdogan's paper. 

Shoot the piano player...good idea.

Is it incorrect?

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

6. In what we call "reality", the Ukes are gonna suffer needlessly all winter. Many will die. And for what? A sliver of land that was always primarily Russian since...like...forever? You're pretty cavalier with the welfare of other people there Beave. But I suspect you'd be among the first to crumble if the lights quit working here.

Why don't we let the Ukrainians decide what they're willing to suffer/sacrifice for their homeland?

In what reality do you think the Russians should be forced into conscription to fight ill-equipped and poorly-led for a man who's happy to throw their lives away for marginal gains?  

Edited December 6, 2022 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Why don't we let the Ukrainians decide what they're willing to suffer/sacrifice for their homeland?

I couldn't agree more. Guess that means NATO should stay out of such decisions eh?

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In what reality do you think the Russians should be forced into conscription to fight ill-equipped and poorly-led for a man who's happy to throw their lives away for marginal gains?

I don't. I think Russians should be left alone to drink their vodka and do what Russians do. I have no bones in this conflict and nor do you.

[Moonbox]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I couldn't agree more. Guess that means NATO should stay out of such decisions eh?

Well they asked for NATO's help, so...no?

Just now, Nationalist said:

I don't. I think Russians should be left alone to drink their vodka and do what Russians do. I have no bones in this conflict and nor do you.

🤨

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Good luck with that. Especially now that Russia has formally claimed the eastern region.

They can formally claim whatever they want.  Nobody has to recognize the claim, and if they can't hold it their claims are even more meaningless.  Kherson City is formally claimed to be part of Russia too.  🤣

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I don't. I think Russians should be left alone to drink their vodka and do what Russians do. I have no bones in this conflict and nor do you.

LOL. No one here believes that. 

Putin and Putin alone is responsible for all the suffering seen in this war. Remember when it was about De-Nazification. Does indiscriminately bombing cities and power infrastructure kill Nazis? 

[Contrarian]

9 hours ago, Contrarian said:

- Smoke can be seen rising from what appears to be a Russian Airbase near the Western City of Kursk.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9326159/canada-iran-drone-ukraine-trudeau-report/

- US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has warned that Russia could seek a phony off-ramp to the Ukraine war that would not produce a durable peace, and would only allow Russian troops to re-group and attack Ukraine again.

"One of the things that you can imagine is the Russians trying to find an off-ramp that would be a phony off-ramp by which I mean, let's have a ceasefire, let's just freeze things in place, get a frozen conflict, never negotiate about the territory that they have seized, and continue to hold. Rest, refit, regroup, re-attack," Blinken said at a Wall Street Journal event.

The United States says it is not encouraging Ukraine to strike into Russia after drone attacks on bases widely seen as carried out by Kyiv. "We are not enabling Ukraine to strike beyond its borders; we are not encouraging Ukraine to strike beyond its borders," State Department spokesman Ned Price tells reporters.

He added: 

"Everything we are doing -- everything the world is doing to support Ukraine -- is in support of Ukraine's independence," he said.

Video below: 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Why don't we let the Ukrainians decide what they're willing to suffer/sacrifice for their homeland?

Don’t be silly. Everyone knows Ukrainians aren’t qualified to decide anything…EXCEPT when a Russian soldier puts a gun to their head and forces them to “vote” to be annexed by Russia …in which case the “will of the people” must not be questioned!

Edited December 6, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Contrarian]

A Sky News team was forced to shelter from Russian artillery shells while filming in trenches near the key battleground town of Bakhmut. Troops are enduring freezing temperatures as well as the constant threat to their lives.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[myata]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia’s invasion is like blaming a rape victim and for “provoking” her rapist. 

Russia's is a typical, textbook excuse of a deranged violent psychopath: look I did it so it has to be someone else's fault. The facts, pictures are so many that those who don't see it, probably couldn't see anything outside of their mind's world. Guess there were those how thought / believe that Nazis crimes never happened.

[Contrarian]

British Defence Intelligence Update / Most Recent: 

a) Ukraine: 

b) Russia: 
 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[Boges]

Zelensky: Time Person of the Year

Oh and Ukraine are now able to strike Military targets hundreds of Kilometres within Russia. Good for them. 

[Contrarian]

Trending:

Once a fearsome diplomat, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is now complaining about gender-neutral toilets in Sweden.

Video:

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[Boges]

Ukraine targets military infrastructure in Russia. 

Russia responds by targeting Civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. 

This is why people with any form of ethical standards stand with Ukraine over Russia. 

[Contrarian]

The United States denounced "loose talk" on nuclear weapons after Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow would only use an atomic weapon in response to an enemy strike.

Declining to respond directly to Putin, State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters, "We think any loose talk of nuclear weapons is absolutely irresponsible."

via Agence France Presse.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

The European Commission proposes new sanctions against Russia. The 9th package targets the Russian military, defense industry, politicians, banks

The President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, proposed on Wednesday the addition of about 200 people and entities to the list of EU sanctions against Moscow, this new package of sanctions, the ninth, targeting among others the Russian armed forces and three more Russian banks.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

Ukraine war: Video from Bakhmut

Edited December 8, 2022 by Contrarian