Aristides Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Hmmm...Ukraine apparently has a "dirty nuke". Anyone else figure now might be a good time to negotiate peace? A dirty bomb is not a nuke, it is a conventional bomb that contains radioactive material. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Boges said: It's hard to believe you're not a Putin Jock-Sniffer when you actually think elections held in a war zone by gun point are legitimate. I'm shocked you're not aware that the Korean War was never formally ended. ? https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-korean-war-never-technically-ended It's tiring that you still think neighbouring nations should do nothing in the face of Russian aggression. No troops are fighting in Ukraine and Military Aid for an outcome that's in your interest is nothing new. See what Iran and Syria are doing for Russia, Are you cool with that? That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying... So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please... Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please... It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us. No...I am not "cool" with that. I want this farce to end before it get out of hand. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying... So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please... Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. Quote Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please... You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? Quote It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us. You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Boges said: Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. Would I stick around? Only if I wanted to become an alcoholic, I suppose... Your analogy is backwards. The Russians were in the apartment BEFORE the Landlord bought it. Why should the USA police the relationship between the Koreas? For cheap electronics? Make it yourselves. Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do? It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do? Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. Quote It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Boges said: Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better. See...aren't dusty old quotes fun? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . Ya...I say they're both mad men...and you read what you want to read. Get in the game here. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
BeaverFever Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better. See...aren't dusty old quotes fun? Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. Edited October 26, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote
BeaverFever Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. Yep…. Ukraine alleges Russian dirty bomb deception at nuke plant KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s nuclear energy operator said Tuesday that Russian forces were performing secret work at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, activity that could shed light on Russia’s claims that the Ukrainian military is preparing a “provocation” involving a radioactive device. … Ukraine also dismissed Moscow’s claim as an attempt to distract attention from the Kremlin’s own alleged plans to detonate a dirty bomb, which uses explosives to scatter radioactive waste in an effort to sow terror. Energoatom, the Ukrainian state enterprise that operates the country’s four nuclear power plants, said Russian forces have carried out secret construction work over the last week at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine. Russian officers controlling the area won’t give access to Ukrainian staff running the plant or monitors from the U.N.’s atomic energy watchdog that would allow them to see what the Russians are doing, Energoatom said Tuesday in a statement. “Destruction of these containers as a result of explosion will lead to a radiation accident and radiation contamination of several hundred square kilometers (miles) of the adjacent territory,” the company said. …. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-sergei-shoigu-climate-and-environment-government-politics-6ea801e22edee2d25c1e24d613f18e4a Quote
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Posted October 26, 2022 9 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. Dirty bombs don't kill people??? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
BeaverFever Posted October 27, 2022 Report Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Nationalist said: It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. Dirty bombs don't kill people??? No its a regular bomb, but instead of scattering nails and shrapnel in the blast its scatters fine radioactive material such as waste from a nuclear power plant over an area. Once contaminated, the area can be very hard to decontaminate (see: Chernobyl). Sure if you happen to be sitting near the explosive when it goes off you would die whether it’s dirty bomb or not. And if you wanted to camp out in the contaminated area afterwards you’d come down with some sort of radiation sickness or something but it’s not a WMD. The “dirty” part doesn’t kill people just the “bomb” part, as it always does. The above said, a real dirty bomb has never actually been used anywhere in the world and many have argued that in practice it would not be much of a threat at all as in real life it would either contaminate a very small area that would be easy to contain or it would simply disperse too widely and not contaminate much of anything But perhaps we will see. My guess is that if there is any dirty bomb plot at all, the Russians are planning to contaminate the area surrounding the Zaporizhzhya power plant to take Europe’s largest nuclear power plant permanently offline in a way that doesn’t result in a nuclear meltdown Edited October 27, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote
Nationalist Posted October 27, 2022 Report Posted October 27, 2022 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: No its a regular bomb, but instead of scattering nails and shrapnel in the blast its scatters fine radioactive material such as waste from a nuclear power plant over an area. Once contaminated, the area can be very hard to decontaminate (see: Chernobyl). Sure if you happen to be sitting near the explosive when it goes off you would die whether it’s dirty bomb or not. And if you wanted to camp out in the contaminated area afterwards you’d come down with some sort of radiation sickness or something but it’s not a WMD. The “dirty” part doesn’t kill people just the “bomb” part, as it always does. The above said, a real dirty bomb has never actually been used anywhere in the world and many have argued that in practice it would not be much of a threat at all as in real life it would either contaminate a very small area that would be easy to contain or it would simply disperse too widely and not contaminate much of anything But perhaps we will see. My guess is that if there is any dirty bomb plot at all, the Russians are planning to contaminate the area surrounding the Zaporizhzhya power plant to take Europe’s largest nuclear power plant permanently offline in a way that doesn’t result in a nuclear meltdown Gee...isn't that reassuring. Peace negotiations now. Before Europe is treated to more bombs like this...innocent little dirty bomb. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
sharkman Posted October 27, 2022 Report Posted October 27, 2022 Two days ago Russia submitted a resolution at the UN regarding a violation of the Biological Weapons Convention. Personally I find it strange that the UN would bother to go through the motions of an investigation on this. https://thehill.com/policy/international/3703558-russia-calls-for-un-security-council-probe-of-alleged-biological-labs-in-ukraine/amp/ ”The resolution would create a 15-member commission authorized by the Security Council to investigate the claims, the outlet reported. The Associated Press reported that the commission would report to the Security Council by Nov. 30 and establish a review conference in Geneva, Switzerland from Nov. 28 through Dec. 16.” 1 Quote
athos Posted October 28, 2022 Report Posted October 28, 2022 Russia intends to use a military base in Cuba in response to NATO nuclear exercises in Romania Quote
Nationalist Posted November 3, 2022 Report Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 3:01 AM, Contrarian said: Recent Key Takeaways Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to reject Ukrainian sovereignty in a way that is fundamentally incompatible with serious negotiations. -> This is the full video of Putin at a so called think tank in Russia. via Sky News (British TV): A senior Russian official threatened that Russia could target Western commercial satellites supporting Ukraine. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast and along the Kreminna-Lysychansk line. Russian forces are continuing to make defensive preparations along the east bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground assaults in Kherson Oblast. Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast. Yevgeny Prigozhin‘s Wagner Group may be further developing its air warfare capabilities and fielding more complex equipment on par with the conventional Russian military. Russian and occupation administration officials began seizing residents’ cell phones in Russian-occupied territories to support law enforcement and operational security measures. The U.S. and its allies slammed Russia on Thursday for wasting the time of the United Nations Security Council and spreading conspiracies by again raising its accusation that the U.S. has "military biological programs" in Ukraine. "How much more of this nonsense do we have to endure?" Britain's UN ambassador Barbara Woodward asked the council. Source: ISWhttps://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-27 Why not just do the investigation? I mean...the US has nothing to hide...right? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted November 3, 2022 Report Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 9:33 AM, Contrarian said: This is some deep fake experiment. Where is Russia going to get the money to go to Cuba from? Yesterday Putin kept repeating that the main goal was always Donbas ? lowering his exceptions and here you are talking science fiction about a base in Cuba. What makes you think Russia can't afford a base in Cuba? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted November 7, 2022 Report Posted November 7, 2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/ Faking a desire for peace. How nice. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Luz P. Posted November 7, 2022 Report Posted November 7, 2022 Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing… “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.” https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/ 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted November 7, 2022 Report Posted November 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Luz P. said: Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing… “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.” https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/ If you want to complain about western MSM, don't peddle a Russian blogger as a reasonable alternative. Here's a middle-eastern perspective: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/7/wagner-group-founder-admits-to-us-election-interference Here's a SE Asian perspective: https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2432002/buried-phones-bribes-and-paranoia-life-under-russian-occupation Meanwhile your silly blog cite refers to "Washington's Waterloo" as Russia army faceplants itself into Ukraine, loses tens of thousands of soldiers, fires a half dozen of its generals in failure, all while accomplishing basically nothing since February. Maybe perspective is your problem. ? 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
BeaverFever Posted November 11, 2022 Report Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) On 11/7/2022 at 11:42 AM, Luz P. said: Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing… “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.” https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/ In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2? Edited November 11, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote
Luz P. Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2? I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what? 65+B? With zero accountability, which works well for him, considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda. How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing? They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice? 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Luz P. said: I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what? 65+B? With zero accountability, which works well for him, considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda. How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing? They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice? Learn how today! 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BeaverFever Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Luz P. said: 21 hours ago, BeaverFever said: In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2? Expand I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what? 65+B? I’m well aware but none of those facts support your false claims. 4 minutes ago, Luz P. said: considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. I have no doubt there is more corruption in Ukraine than in weather countries, but your comment seems like an exaggerated overstatement Quote
BeaverFever Posted November 12, 2022 Report Posted November 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Luz P. said: Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda. How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing? They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice? Maybe stop relying so much on anti-western propaganda. Putin can’t be allowed to invade and conquer Ukraine at will. People tried making the same arguments as you when Hitler invaded his neighbours also. History has proven those people wrong and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine to forcibly unite people of similar ethnicity and for the glory of mother Russia is no different 1 Quote
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