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22 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's hard to believe you're not a Putin Jock-Sniffer when you actually think elections held in a war zone by gun point are legitimate. 

 

I'm shocked you're not aware that the Korean War was never formally ended. ?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-korean-war-never-technically-ended

 

It's tiring that you still think neighbouring nations should do nothing in the face of Russian aggression. No troops are fighting in Ukraine and Military Aid for an outcome that's in your interest is nothing new. 

See what Iran and Syria are doing for Russia, Are you cool with that? 

That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying...

So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please...

Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please...

It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us.

No...I am not "cool" with that. I want this farce to end before it get out of hand.

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13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying...

So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please...

Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. 

The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. 

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Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please...

You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? 

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It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us.

 

You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. 

Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. 

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40 minutes ago, Boges said:

Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. 

The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. 

You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? 

You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. 

Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. 

Would I stick around? Only if I wanted to become an alcoholic, I suppose...

Your analogy is backwards. The Russians were in the apartment BEFORE the Landlord bought it.

Why should the USA police the relationship between the Koreas? For cheap electronics? Make it yourselves.

Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do?
 

It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground.

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2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do?

Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. 

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It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground.

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. 

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20 minutes ago, Boges said:

Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. 

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. 

Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad?

Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better.

See...aren't dusty old quotes fun?

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9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad?

Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. 

Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. 

Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . 

Ya...I say they're both mad men...and you read what you want to read.

Get in the game here.

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8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad?

Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better.

See...aren't dusty old quotes fun?

Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. 
 

BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and  make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. 

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49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. 
 

BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and  make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. 

Yep….

 

Ukraine alleges Russian dirty bomb deception at nuke plant
 

 

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s nuclear energy operator said Tuesday that Russian forces were performing secret work at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, activity that could shed light on Russia’s claims that the Ukrainian military is preparing a “provocation” involving a radioactive device.
 

Ukraine also dismissed Moscow’s claim as an attempt to distract attention from the Kremlin’s own alleged plans to detonate a dirty bomb, which uses explosives to scatter radioactive waste in an effort to sow terror.

Energoatom, the Ukrainian state enterprise that operates the country’s four nuclear power plants, said Russian forces have carried out secret construction work over the last week at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine.  Russian officers controlling the area won’t give access to Ukrainian staff running the plant or monitors from the U.N.’s atomic energy watchdog that would allow them to see what the Russians are doing, Energoatom said Tuesday in a statement.

“Destruction of these containers as a result of explosion will lead to a radiation accident and radiation contamination of several hundred square kilometers (miles) of the adjacent territory,” the company said.
 

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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-sergei-shoigu-climate-and-environment-government-politics-6ea801e22edee2d25c1e24d613f18e4a

 

 

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9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. 
 

BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and  make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. 

It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. 

Dirty bombs don't kill people???

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15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. 

Dirty bombs don't kill people???

No its a regular bomb, but instead of scattering nails and shrapnel in the blast its scatters fine radioactive material such as waste from a nuclear power plant over an area.  Once contaminated, the area can be very hard to decontaminate (see: Chernobyl).   Sure if you happen to be sitting near the explosive when it goes off you would die whether it’s dirty bomb or not. And if you wanted to camp out in the contaminated area afterwards you’d come down with some sort of radiation sickness or something but it’s not a WMD. The “dirty” part doesn’t  kill people just the “bomb” part, as it always does. 

The above said, a real dirty bomb has never actually been used anywhere in the world and many have argued that  in practice it would not be much of a threat at all as in real life it would either contaminate a very small area that would be easy to contain or it would simply disperse too widely and not contaminate much of anything    
 

But perhaps we will see.  My guess is that if there is any dirty bomb plot at all, the Russians are planning to contaminate the area surrounding the Zaporizhzhya power plant to take Europe’s largest nuclear power plant permanently offline in a way that doesn’t result in a nuclear meltdown  

 

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7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No its a regular bomb, but instead of scattering nails and shrapnel in the blast its scatters fine radioactive material such as waste from a nuclear power plant over an area.  Once contaminated, the area can be very hard to decontaminate (see: Chernobyl).   Sure if you happen to be sitting near the explosive when it goes off you would die whether it’s dirty bomb or not. And if you wanted to camp out in the contaminated area afterwards you’d come down with some sort of radiation sickness or something but it’s not a WMD. The “dirty” part doesn’t  kill people just the “bomb” part, as it always does. 

The above said, a real dirty bomb has never actually been used anywhere in the world and many have argued that  in practice it would not be much of a threat at all as in real life it would either contaminate a very small area that would be easy to contain or it would simply disperse too widely and not contaminate much of anything    
 

But perhaps we will see.  My guess is that if there is any dirty bomb plot at all, the Russians are planning to contaminate the area surrounding the Zaporizhzhya power plant to take Europe’s largest nuclear power plant permanently offline in a way that doesn’t result in a nuclear meltdown  

 

Gee...isn't that reassuring. 

Peace negotiations now. Before Europe is treated to more bombs like this...innocent little dirty bomb.

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Two days ago Russia submitted  a resolution at the UN regarding a violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.  Personally I find it strange that the UN would bother to go through the motions of an investigation on this.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3703558-russia-calls-for-un-security-council-probe-of-alleged-biological-labs-in-ukraine/amp/

”The resolution would create a 15-member commission authorized by the Security Council to investigate the claims, the outlet reported.

The Associated Press reported that the commission would report to the Security Council by Nov. 30 and establish a review conference in Geneva, Switzerland from Nov. 28 through Dec. 16.”

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On 10/28/2022 at 3:01 AM, Contrarian said:

Recent Key Takeaways

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to reject Ukrainian sovereignty in a way that is fundamentally incompatible with serious negotiations.
    -> This is the full video of Putin at a so called think tank in Russia. 

    via Sky News (British TV):
     

 

  • A senior Russian official threatened that Russia could target Western commercial satellites supporting Ukraine.
  • Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast and along the Kreminna-Lysychansk line.
  • Russian forces are continuing to make defensive preparations along the east bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.
  • Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted limited ground assaults in Kherson Oblast.
  • Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast.
  • Yevgeny Prigozhin‘s Wagner Group may be further developing its air warfare capabilities and fielding more complex equipment on par with the conventional Russian military.
  • Russian and occupation administration officials began seizing residents’ cell phones in Russian-occupied territories to support law enforcement and operational security measures.
  • The U.S. and its allies slammed Russia on Thursday for wasting the time of the United Nations Security Council and spreading conspiracies by again raising its accusation that the U.S. has "military biological programs" in Ukraine. "How much more of this nonsense do we have to endure?" Britain's UN ambassador Barbara Woodward asked the council.
     


Source: ISW
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-27         

Why not just do the investigation?

I mean...the US has nothing to hide...right?

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On 10/28/2022 at 9:33 AM, Contrarian said:

This is some deep fake experiment. 

Where is Russia going to get the money to go to Cuba from? Yesterday Putin kept repeating that the main goal was always Donbas ? lowering his exceptions and here you are talking science fiction about a base in Cuba.  

What makes you think Russia can't afford a base in Cuba?

 

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Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing…

 “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.

 

https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/

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4 hours ago, Luz P. said:

Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing…

 “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.

 

https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/

If you want to complain about western MSM, don't peddle a Russian blogger as a reasonable alternative.

Here's a middle-eastern perspective:  

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/7/wagner-group-founder-admits-to-us-election-interference

Here's a SE Asian perspective:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2432002/buried-phones-bribes-and-paranoia-life-under-russian-occupation

 

Meanwhile your silly blog cite refers to "Washington's Waterloo" as Russia army faceplants itself into Ukraine, loses tens of thousands of soldiers, fires a half dozen of its generals in failure, all while accomplishing basically nothing since February. 

Maybe perspective is your problem.  ? 

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On 11/7/2022 at 11:42 AM, Luz P. said:

Maybe look at a different perspective, not the one western MSM is madly pushing…

 “Most of the world, including Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, is carefully watching Russia systematically destroy what was by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world (the Ukrainian army, that is), understanding full well that what is unfolding is Washington’s Waterloo. Some countries (Saudi Arabia, for instance) are so sure of the result that they are already refusing to obey Washington’s dictates. This is a problem, because all the Washingtonians know how to do is impose their will on the world. Treating others as equals or looking for opportunities to negotiate a win-win is simply not part of their core competence—or any of their competence, for that matter. Once defanged, all they know how to do is bark and drool.

 

https://thesaker.is/the-new-cuban-missile-crisis-that-isnt/

In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2?

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21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2?

I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what?  65+B?  With zero accountability, which works well for him, considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda.  How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing?  They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice?

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what?  65+B?  With zero accountability, which works well for him, considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda.  How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing?  They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice?

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

 

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

In what alternative reality was Ukraine “by far the largest and most capable NATO-equipped, NATO-commanded army in the world” and in what alternative reality is it being “systematically destroyed” by the Russians who have been in retreat for months now and losing soldiers and equipment at levels not seen since WW2?

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I gather you’re unaware that without NATO’s intervention, Ukraine would have lost the war, probably by early March. And it’s only the USA’s “generosity” that keeps them fighting. You've got to give it to Zelensky though, he’s mastered the art of extending a hand and asking for more money and weapons… to the tune of what?  65+B? 

 

I’m well aware but none of those facts support your false claims. 
 

4 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

considering Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

I have no doubt there is more corruption in Ukraine than in weather countries, but your comment seems like an exaggerated overstatement 

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14 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

Maybe stop relying so much on western propaganda.  How many months now we’ve been told Russia is losing?  They may be losing, but so is the rest of the world, at least economically. Europe’s stubbornness in teaching Putin a lesson is ridiculous, shouldn’t those “leaders” care about their own instead of preaching something they hardly practice?

Maybe stop relying so much on anti-western propaganda.  Putin can’t be allowed to invade and conquer Ukraine at will. People tried making the same arguments as you when Hitler invaded his neighbours also. History has proven those people wrong and Putin’s invasion of Ukraine to forcibly unite people of similar ethnicity and for the glory of mother Russia is no different 

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