War In Ukraine

[Contrarian]

Yesterday, Erdogan went on a rant against the West and the United States, without providing too much detail: 

Turkey is committed to seeking a peace dialogue between Russia and Ukraine, Turkish media cited President Tayyip Erdogan as saying on Saturday, as he accused the United States and other Western countries of provoking Moscow.

State broadcaster TRT and other media quoted Erdogan as saying: "The West, and especially the U.S., is attacking Russia seemingly endlessly," without elaborating on what he meant. 

"Of course, Russia is displaying great resistance in the face of all this," Erdogan was quoted as telling reporters on a flight from Uzbekistan. 

Source: Reuters

The US is not Sweden, where your political prisoners are delivered on a platter from what I have been reading. 

I don't think the American foreign policy thinkers get their lessons from Sweden and the man which he wants from Pennsylvania -> is not coming back into Turkey so you can soften your tone and appease your allies -> therefore scoring another political victory. 

Tayyip for sure was at the top of his negotiation class though. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Contrarian

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

When  I was in the Army Reserve I slept outdoors in Algonquin Park in February and I would gladly do it again had to defend my country try your beloved Russian invaders   It’s something soldiers train for and something your poorly trained and poorly equipped conscripts won’t be able to hack  

 

Please explain why you keep thinking that a harsh Ukrainian winter gives then invading Russians the advantage.  Weather usually provides an advantage to the Home Team

 

I have no dog in your beloved war. I couldn't care less for either side. Canada has zero business being there other than in its new role as the 4th Reich's biiitch...which you clearly support.

I hope they all freeze in darkness and you along with them.

 

[BeaverFever]

12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I have no dog in your beloved war. I couldn't care less for either side. Canada has zero business being there other than in its new role as the 4th Reich's biiitch...which you clearly support.

I hope they all freeze in darkness and you along with them.

 

Hilarious BS you shamelessly shill for Russia in every post, including in the one above where you ridiculously claim to be neutral ehile calling Ukraine the 4th Reich for daring to resist a Russian invasion. The only 4th Reich here is your beloved Putin’s Russia but it’s failing miserably due to massive incompetence at every level including the internet posters who support them in online chat forums 

 

Thanks for wishing me personal harm for daring to disagree with you on an online chat forum. You’re not really doing a good job convincing anyone that you’re just a good guy who just wants peace and happiness for all. No wonder you admire a murderous tyrant and warmonger like Putin.

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

 

Thanks for wishing me personal harm

 

No worries. Be sure to bundle-up as you sleep in the park.

[BeaverFever]

50 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

No worries. Be sure to bundle-up as you sleep in the park.

I know what I’m doing. So does the Ukrainian military. You and your beloved Putin not so much. 

[Contrarian]

21 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Yesterday, Erdogan went on a rant against the West and the United States, without providing too much detail: 

Turkey is committed to seeking a peace dialogue between Russia and Ukraine, Turkish media cited President Tayyip Erdogan as saying on Saturday, as he accused the United States and other Western countries of provoking Moscow.

State broadcaster TRT and other media quoted Erdogan as saying: "The West, and especially the U.S., is attacking Russia seemingly endlessly," without elaborating on what he meant. 

"Of course, Russia is displaying great resistance in the face of all this," Erdogan was quoted as telling reporters on a flight from Uzbekistan. 

Source: Reuters

The US is not Sweden, where your political prisoners are delivered on a platter from what I have been reading. 

I don't think the American foreign policy thinkers get their lessons from Sweden and the man which he wants from Pennsylvania -> is not coming back into Turkey so you can soften your tone and appease your allies -> therefore scoring another political victory. 

Tayyip for sure was at the top of his negotiation class though. 

Tensions between Ankara and Washington are in another episode today: 

Turkey 'Rejects' US Condolences Over Istanbul Attack: Interior Minister. 

(Barron's). 

Turkey in my opinion wants to get this man from Pennsylvania: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_Gülen

Edited November 14, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

The Canadian government announced on Monday that it is doubling its military aid to Ukraine, which has already exceeded the threshold of one billion Canadian dollars (729 million euros) reports AFP. 

"This additional military aid will allow the Ukrainians to be supported as they continue their courageous fight against President (Russia's Vladimir Putin)'s illegal invasion, and these new sanctions will put additional pressure on those who support these acts of war." 

Ottawa also imposed new sanctions against 23 Russian officials. Among them are "policemen and investigators, prosecutors, judges and prison administration officials involved in flagrant and systematic violations of human rights against Russian opposition leaders."

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Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director William Burns met with his Russian counterpart in Turkey on Monday to warn Russia against using nuclear weapons in Ukraine, a White House spokesman said, according to The New York Times .

The Kremlin confirmed that there were talks between top American and Russian intelligence officials in Ankara, TASS news agency said. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

• Poland: Explosion with two dead in a town on the border with Ukraine. 
• Polish media reported that two people died on Tuesday afternoon after a projectile hit an area where grain was being dried in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.
• One American security official announces that it was Russian missiles. 
• Polish Prime Minister urgently convened the Security Committee
• A Pentagon spokesman said Tuesday evening that the Department of Defense does not yet have official confirmation that it was a Russian missile that fell in Poland.
  
  Easter European Media. 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Contrarian

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

• Poland: Explosion with two dead in a town on the border with Ukraine. 
• Polish media reported that two people died on Tuesday afternoon after a projectile hit an area where grain was being dried in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.
• American security official announces that it was Russian missiles
• Polish Prime Minister urgently convened the Security Committee
• A Pentagon spokesman said Tuesday evening that the Department of Defense does not yet have official confirmation that it was a Russian missile that fell in Poland.
  
  Easter European Media. 

Putin done effed up! 

[Contrarian]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Putin done effed up! 

Sky News also confirmed that the Polish president is in a meeting. 

This is a summary well done which I translated with GoogleTranslate from their press: 

Essential information of the day: Two missiles fell on the territory of Poland, local radio station ZET reported, citing unofficial sources. The press claims that the incident took place in the area of the village of Przewoduv in the Lublin Voivodeship, on the border with Ukraine. The AP and Washington Post quoted a senior US security official as saying it was Russian missiles. The missiles hit the grain dryer. According to preliminary data, two people died. The police and army are on the scene. Fighter jets are also reported to have been lifted into the sky from the airfield near the town of Tomaszow. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki called a meeting of the Security Committee of the Council of Ministers after reporting the incident. The spokesperson of the Government, Petr Muller, promised that all the data presented at the meeting, "if possible, they will be presented as widely as possible to public opinion." He also asked not to publish unconfirmed information.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Contrarian

[BeaverFever]

Russian incompetence or reckless maliciousness?  
 

Putin’s puppets will be on here shortly  tell us it’s Poland’s fault for putting its territory and citizens infront of Russias missiles in a clear act of aggression  against kind old Uncle Vlad. 

[Contrarian]

US Department of Defense Press Secretary Brigadier General Pat Ryder said the US "is aware of media reports that two Russian missiles have struck a location inside Poland near the Ukrainian border" , but that they currently have no official information to confirm this information. 

The Defense Department reiterated that the US "will defend every inch of NATO territory" while awaiting more information.

Ryder said the US is "very confident" in protecting its forces in Europe.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Contrarian

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Russian incompetence or reckless maliciousness?  
 

Putin’s puppets will be on here shortly  tell us it’s Poland’s fault for putting its territory and citizens infront of Russias missiles in a clear act of aggression  against kind old Uncle Vlad. 

Imagine if Ukraine sent missiles into Belarus or Russia, by mistake? 

[Contrarian]

- Poland is increasing the combat readiness of the army

- Poland is in constant contact with it's NATO allies

- There are talks to invoke art 4 (not 5)

- Polish Intelligence services are still investigating what happened. 

According to DW (German Public TV). 

This is a picture supposedly of Polish military vehicles on the road this evening (unconfirmed, trending though): 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Contrarian

[DogOnPorch]

It was a Ukrainian S-300 that tried to knock down a Russian cruise missile...malfunctioned and hit Poland by latest accounts.

Do you warmongers still want WW3?

[Boges]

27 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

It was a Ukrainian S-300 that tried to knock down a Russian cruise missile...malfunctioned and hit Poland by latest accounts.

Do you warmongers still want WW3?

Oh you're on the ground with that intel? 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Oh you're on the ground with that intel? 

 

Someone sure is...

But you and the rest of brain trust want WW3...here's your big chance.

[Contrarian]

 - US President Joe Biden "has been briefed on the reports from Poland and will speak shortly with Polish President Andrzej Duda," the White House said.

- NATO to meet on Wednesday at request of Poland for consultations - diplomats.

- The Russians -> leading with Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov say there is no knowledge of the "incident" in Poland.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-meet-wednesday-request-poland-consultations-diplomats-2022-11-15/

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Contrarian

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Someone sure is...

But you and the rest of brain trust want WW3...here's your big chance.

Other posts in that thread aren't nearly as definitive. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Other posts in that thread aren't nearly as definitive. 

 

I don't imagine you care if it's a Ukrainian S-300. All you're looking for is your version of the Gleiwitz incident. You desire WW3 and here's your casus belli.

So have at it.

[Boges]

50 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

I don't imagine you care if it's a Ukrainian S-300. All you're looking for is your version of the Gleiwitz incident. You desire WW3 and here's your casus belli.

So have at it.

If it's an accident, we'll find out soon enough. 

It does strain logic to think that Russia would be that stupid. 

But this will give NATO more reason to provide Ukraine with way more air defence, it shows they are a threat to NATO airspace if they're going to be that reckless with their terror campaign against civilians. 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Boges

[Boges]

 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by Boges

[BeaverFever]

I’ve always assumed that no matter who fired it, it was an accident. 

[Contrarian]

Responding to a question as to whether the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said:

"There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate.

But it is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia, but we’ll see.”

The president added that it was “unlikely” the missile was fired from Russia possibly due to the weapon’s trajectory.

He described Russia’s continued missile attacks on Ukraine as “totally unconscionable”.

(The Guardian).

Edited November 16, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

Joe Biden has cast doubt on the origin of a missile that hit Poland and killed two people late on Tuesday, saying it is "unlikely" to have been fired from Russia.

The US president was speaking after a meeting with G7 and NATO leaders to discuss the incident, which hit a grain silo in Przewodow, near Poland's border with Ukraine.

Ukrainian and Polish authorities said the explosion was caused by a Russian-made missile, but Mr. Biden appeared to step back from this.

He said: "There is preliminary information that contests that.

"I don't want to say that until we completely investigate it, but it is unlikely in the lines of the trajectory that it was fired from Russia but we'll see."

https://news.sky.com/story/missile-that-hit-poland-is-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-us-president-joe-biden-says-12748538

A spokesperson for the United Nations said that avoiding an escalation in the war is "absolutely essential", adding that a "thorough investigation" should take place.

Update: 

Three US officials, who spoke to the Associated Press on the condition of anonymity, said preliminary assessments suggested the missile was fired by Ukrainian forces during the Russian bombardment on energy infrastructure across Ukraine.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Contrarian