Contrarian Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) Critical infrastructure across Ukraine was pounded again on Saturday, with several regions reporting strikes on energy facilities while missiles were shot down in others. Video from the battlefield: Edited October 22, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) Sunday morning's assessment by the British Ministry of Defense focuses on the so-called "Wagner Line" : Yevgeny Prigozhin, the owner of the Wagner Group, claimed online that his engineering team was building a vast defense-fortified "Wagner Line" in the occupied Lugansk region and posted a map showing the planned scale of the project. The images showed a section of newly constructed anti-tank defense systems and trenches southeast of Kreminna in the Luhansk region. If the plans are as broad as Prigozhin claims, the work is likely aimed at integrating the Siversky Donetsk River into the defensive zone, partially following the 2015 Line of Control. The draft suggests that Russia is making a significant effort to prepare defenses in depth behind the current front line, presumably to deter any quick Ukrainian counteroffensive.Thousands are being warned to leave their homes in Ukraine’s city of Kherson after what being described as a tense military situation. Plus blackouts in parts of Ukraine continue after Russian attack. Edited October 23, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 UK warns Russia against escalating war Britain has warned Russia against escalating the war in Ukraine after claims by its defence minister that Kyiv is set to use a radioactive “dirty bomb”. General Sergei Shoigu held a series of calls with Western counterparts on Sunday to make the allegation, sparking fears of a false-flag attack. The Russian defence minister said he was concerned about possible Ukrainian provocations involving a "dirty bomb" in talks with his opposite numbers in the UK, US, France and Turkey. Gen Shoigu said Britain was among the Western countries helping Ukraine plan “actions … to escalate the conflict in Ukraine”, according to a statement from the British Ministry of Defence (MoD). Russian state media claimed Britain was helping Kyiv gather nuclear material to use on the battlefield in a “low-yield nuclear weapon”. Ben Wallace, the Defence Secretary, “refuted these claims and cautioned that such allegations should not be used as a pretext for greater escalation”, MoD said.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/24/ukraine-news-russia-war-kherson-latest-dirty-bomb-kyiv/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) This is a video from the combat zone. A Russian pilot managed to eject and recorded the whole scene: via WarLeaks Edited October 24, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Latest Defence Intelligence from the UK: Edited October 25, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Quote Russia is warning that Ukraine has a “dirty nuclear bomb” that they plan to use inside of Ukraine in order to blame it on Russia, therefore labeling Russia as a nuclear terrorist. This is known as a false flag attack or false flag operation, using something false in order to launch the total weight of NATO forces. Western leaders and media blamed the dirty bomb on Russia. But here’s one thing they all seem to agree on: a dirty nuclear bomb hanging out in Ukraine. So maybe they should do something to stop it? Russia told the U.N. about it yesterday and is calling on the International Atomic Energy Agency to investigate. And what is the international response to this? Not much. The U.S. says that they reject this statement and will continue to support Ukraine. Russia also warned officials from Turkey, the UK and France about this issue but none of them responded seriously. Redacted.inc Hmmm...Ukraine apparently has a "dirty nuke". Anyone else figure now might be a good time to negotiate peace? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Hmmm...Ukraine apparently has a "dirty nuke". Anyone else figure now might be a good time to negotiate peace? Why are you asking us? Should Russia be allowed to keep illegally annexed territory because they have Nukes. Tough precedent to set. Should North Korea be able to annex South Korea because no one wants Nuclear conflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, Boges said: Why are you asking us? Should Russia be allowed to keep illegally annexed territory because they have Nukes. Tough precedent to set. Should North Korea be able to annex South Korea because no one wants Nuclear conflict? 1. Silly question. 2. Should the residents of an area be allowed to leave a country by referendum? Should NATO be responsible for arming a nation they've already rejected as a member? 3. Shouldn't South Korea develop nukes if they feel threatened? America and NATO have been playing global cops. They've done a shitty job of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 2. Should the residents of an area be allowed to leave a country by referendum? Should NATO be responsible for arming a nation they've already rejected as a member? If it's in the interest of NATO to see them retain their independence, SURE. See how the 101st is training in Romania. Also a former Soviet nation. Think Putin will stop at Ukraine? Also, it's laughable you think the Referendum is legit. Even if it was a legit honest vote. The people who lived their pre-invasion have fled for their lives. Quote 3. Shouldn't South Korea develop nukes if they feel threatened? The Korean War never ended. And the US certainly has a stake in keeping South Korea safe from North Korea. Quote America and NATO have been playing global cops. They've done a shitty job of that. Global? This is a European conflict. I would suggest most of Europe doesn't want another Soviet Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Boges said: If it's in the interest of NATO to see them retain their independence, SURE. See how the 101st is training in Romania. Also a former Soviet nation. Think Putin will stop at Ukraine? Also, it's laughable you think the Referendum is legit. Even if it was a legit honest vote. The people who lived their pre-invasion have fled for their lives. The Korean War never ended. And the US certainly has a stake in keeping South Korea safe from North Korea. Global? This is a European conflict. I would suggest most of Europe doesn't want another Soviet Union. In the interest of NATO? What the hell does NATO have to do with Ukraine? They already rejected them. Its also rather undemocratic to insist a democratic tool such as a referendum...is illegitimate. Your position exemplifies your willingness to have selective principals. The Korean war never ended? Someone should tell the Koreans. IOW...get real... Has Russia said they are going to attack a NATO nation without provocation? No? Calm down then. Don't lob bombs into Russia. And with the annexation thing...that would mean no NATO nation should be doing anything inside those regions. And since NATO doesn't want Ukraine as a member state...that should be easy to accomplish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: In the interest of NATO? What the hell does NATO have to do with Ukraine? They already rejected them. Its also rather undemocratic to insist a democratic tool such as a referendum...is illegitimate. Your position exemplifies your willingness to have selective principals. It's hard to believe you're not a Putin Jock-Sniffer when you actually think elections held in a war zone by gun point are legitimate. Quote The Korean war never ended? Someone should tell the Koreans. IOW...get real... I'm shocked you're not aware that the Korean War was never formally ended. 🤣 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-korean-war-never-technically-ended Quote But though it was dubbed the “forgotten war” in the United States due to the lack of attention it received during and after the conflict, the Korean War’s legacy is profound: Not only does it still shape geopolitical affairs—it technically never ended—but it also set a precedent for American presidents to wage wars without consent of Congress. Quote Has Russia said they are going to attack a NATO nation without provocation? No? Calm down then. Don't lob ybombs into Russia. And with the annexation thing...that would mean no NATO nation should be doing anything inside those regions. And since NATO doesn't want Ukraine as a member state...that should be easy to accomplish. It's tiring that you still think neighbouring nations should do nothing in the face of Russian aggression. No troops are fighting in Ukraine and Military Aid for an outcome that's in your interest is nothing new. See what Iran and Syria are doing for Russia, Are you cool with that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Hmmm...Ukraine apparently has a "dirty nuke". Anyone else figure now might be a good time to negotiate peace? A dirty bomb is not a nuke, it is a conventional bomb that contains radioactive material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Boges said: It's hard to believe you're not a Putin Jock-Sniffer when you actually think elections held in a war zone by gun point are legitimate. I'm shocked you're not aware that the Korean War was never formally ended. 🤣 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-korean-war-never-technically-ended It's tiring that you still think neighbouring nations should do nothing in the face of Russian aggression. No troops are fighting in Ukraine and Military Aid for an outcome that's in your interest is nothing new. See what Iran and Syria are doing for Russia, Are you cool with that? That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying... So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please... Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please... It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us. No...I am not "cool" with that. I want this farce to end before it get out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's fine. It's hard for me to not think you're a spoiled li'l brat. But I am trying... So...you figure the Russian military held guns to the heads of the residents in those eastern region and told them to vote a certain way or they'd be shot? Please... Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. Quote Ya...they have a "technical" war. Again...please... You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? Quote It tiring that you are so freaked out that you see danger where, as long as we don't attack them, they have assured us that they won't attack us. You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Boges said: Even if they didn't and the vote was 100% legitimate, they illegally annexed the territory. If you're a Ukrainian civilian, would you stick around when scary Russians are invading your country. The analogy would be a new Landlord evicting peopl e and bringing his friends than circulating a survey asking if you approve of management. You were suggesting that South Korea should handle North Korea on its own without support from the US. If the war never technically ended why should that be the reality? You're to dense to recognize that helping Ukraine defend themselves benefits the rest of NATO from Russian aggression. But you think Russia should be able to illegally annex any nation they want. Appeasing brutal dictators rarely works. Mr. Chamberlain. Would I stick around? Only if I wanted to become an alcoholic, I suppose... Your analogy is backwards. The Russians were in the apartment BEFORE the Landlord bought it. Why should the USA police the relationship between the Koreas? For cheap electronics? Make it yourselves. Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do? It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Russian aggression. In a world where Russia has NEVER attacked a NATO nation...you're all of the sudden in a flap because...now they're going to? So in order to make sure they don't do something they have never done...you figure lots of salt on the wound, bringing all of us closer to disaster (The Ukes have a dirty bomb now...BTW) is the RIGHT thing to do? Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. Quote It is 2022 and Chamberlain is dead. So is Stalin, Hitler and all the other old guys that died...leave them in the ground. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Boges said: Again. . . NATO is not engaged in conflict in Ukraine. They are simply providing military aide. Which happens all the time all over the world. If you weren't such a Putin supporter you'd have no issue with it. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better. See...aren't dusty old quotes fun? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Dunno, they had been run by the USSR for several decades. Your contention that Zelensky is a bad man is not shared by much of the Western World. But you're a pro Putin Cronie so. . . Ya...I say they're both mad men...and you read what you want to read. Get in the game here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Where would the Ukes get a dirty bomb? Why is funding one mad man over another...anything but bad? Blah blah...woof woof. Anything he can do, I can do better. See...aren't dusty old quotes fun? Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. Edited October 26, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. Yep…. Ukraine alleges Russian dirty bomb deception at nuke plant KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine’s nuclear energy operator said Tuesday that Russian forces were performing secret work at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, activity that could shed light on Russia’s claims that the Ukrainian military is preparing a “provocation” involving a radioactive device. … Ukraine also dismissed Moscow’s claim as an attempt to distract attention from the Kremlin’s own alleged plans to detonate a dirty bomb, which uses explosives to scatter radioactive waste in an effort to sow terror. Energoatom, the Ukrainian state enterprise that operates the country’s four nuclear power plants, said Russian forces have carried out secret construction work over the last week at the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine. Russian officers controlling the area won’t give access to Ukrainian staff running the plant or monitors from the U.N.’s atomic energy watchdog that would allow them to see what the Russians are doing, Energoatom said Tuesday in a statement. “Destruction of these containers as a result of explosion will lead to a radiation accident and radiation contamination of several hundred square kilometers (miles) of the adjacent territory,” the company said. …. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-sergei-shoigu-climate-and-environment-government-politics-6ea801e22edee2d25c1e24d613f18e4a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Recent Key Takeaways: Russian siloviki factions continue to voice dissatisfaction with the Russian war effort in Ukraine, likely indicating that President Vladimir Putin will struggle to appease the pro-war faction. Direct confrontations between Putin and siloviki members regarding the war in Ukraine illustrate the significance of siloviki factions in Russian power structures. Russian officials are likely rhetorically realigning the war in Ukraine with religious ideals ostensibly accessible to both Christians and Muslims to cater to religious and ethnic minorities. Russian occupation officials continue to claim that the evacuations in Kherson Oblast are a part of a larger resettlement program. Levada polling surveys suggest that the Russian public’s sentiments toward the Russian government have not fundamentally changed despite societal pressures associated with the war in Ukraine. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks west of Svatove and on Kreminna on October 25. Russian forces continued to establish fallback and defensive positions on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River. Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast. The Russian military continues to mobilize personnel in violation of recruitment policies. Russian mobilization efforts also are placing strains on the Russian labor market. Ukrainian partisans conducted an attack targeting the occupation head in Russian-occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.Full Report + Map @ Institute for the Study of War: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 9 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Russia’s dirty bomb lie is a hoax….if anything it’s just a tell that they intend to detonate a dirty bomb and blame Ukraine for it. BTW dirty bombs don’t kill people they just contaminate the blast site and make the surrounding area uninhabitable so it makes sense that it would be Russia’s scorched earth tactic to set one off in Ukraine as they retreat. It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. Dirty bombs don't kill people??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) Vladimir Putin has overseen annual nuclear exercises by Russia's strategic nuclear forces at a time of heightened tensions with the West over his eight-month-long war in Ukraine. Ballistic and cruise missiles were launched in the Far East and Arctic, the Kremlin said. The US was told about the drill under the terms of the New Start arms treaty. The launches took place as Russia makes unsubstantiated claims that Ukraine is plotting to use a "dirty bomb". It is an explosive device mixed with radioactive material and the Russian allegations have been widely rejected by Western countries as false. And Kyiv has warned that the claims indicate Moscow itself could be preparing such an attack. Ahead of the exercise, military officials in Washington pointed out that in notifying the US the Russians were complying with arms control obligations. Nato is also staging its own nuclear exercises, dubbed Steadfast Noon, in north-western Europe. Source: BBC & Sky News (British media) Edited October 26, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Nationalist said: It might be a hoax. I don't know for sure, nor do you, nor does anyone. Dirty bombs don't kill people??? No its a regular bomb, but instead of scattering nails and shrapnel in the blast its scatters fine radioactive material such as waste from a nuclear power plant over an area. Once contaminated, the area can be very hard to decontaminate (see: Chernobyl). Sure if you happen to be sitting near the explosive when it goes off you would die whether it’s dirty bomb or not. And if you wanted to camp out in the contaminated area afterwards you’d come down with some sort of radiation sickness or something but it’s not a WMD. The “dirty” part doesn’t kill people just the “bomb” part, as it always does. The above said, a real dirty bomb has never actually been used anywhere in the world and many have argued that in practice it would not be much of a threat at all as in real life it would either contaminate a very small area that would be easy to contain or it would simply disperse too widely and not contaminate much of anything But perhaps we will see. My guess is that if there is any dirty bomb plot at all, the Russians are planning to contaminate the area surrounding the Zaporizhzhya power plant to take Europe’s largest nuclear power plant permanently offline in a way that doesn’t result in a nuclear meltdown Edited October 27, 2022 by BeaverFever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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