War In Ukraine

[Boges]

28 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

NATO's support for Ukraine has prolonged the inevitable. Get a grip on reality. This is Russia (your murderer) Vs. Ukraine (your underdog) fighting in a bar over something that's none of your business. Your murderer has a gun and your underdog has a knife. Yet you think it wise and courageous to jump to the aide of your underdog. You know already...because you've been told...that if you jump in like that, the murderer will shoot you...and then shoot your family.

That's not courage...that's stupidity.

This bar brawl is none of your bee's wax. You are not friends with either and despite the rumour mill, you don't really know the details of how the brawl got started or who threw the first punch. All you know is your underdog has bitten off way more than he can chew.

Your "feelings" are gonna get you and everyone else in deep trouble with someone you say is a madman.

Again...that's not courageous...that's stupid.

Again you tip your hand at being a Pro Putin cronie. 

You really think Russia can conquer Ukraine? You're dreaming!

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

Again you tip your hand at being a Pro Putin cronie. 

You really think Russia can conquer Ukraine? You're dreaming!

LOL...yes...I do.

IF NATO keeps its forces out of Ukraine. If they don't...All of Europe may pay.

And all for a NATO reject.

Gee...that sounds smaaarrrt...

[The Sage of Main Street]

15 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Ok. let's talk about NATO since now you care so much about NATO interests. If the Western world (The U.S. specifically) backs down now, this is not only a win for Putin, the stakes are higher now, giving a win to Putin will also give a win to Xi and send a message about Hong Kong. 

What is happening is really a challenge of the authority towards the United States of America around the world which I don't think it will succeed. The US will remain at the top of the food chain.

What is laughable is people that think the alternative to the US rule in the world, Xi-Putin type of systems are better. ? How can one think Putin and Xi can offer a better path in the world? Just because they talk like "strongmen"?  then you have idealists like @Luz P., peacekeepers, which if foreign policy would be dictated in that pacifistic view, the FSB would have had their own governments in the West by now. 

Vlad's Nads Give Glowbullies the Sads

 

What is threatened is the Globalist clique running the USA, and running it into the ground by slavishly submitting to the budget-busting demands of Third World savages and failed states like the Ukraine.  The traitors in power are turning us, or at least the Blue states, into a colony of the United Nations and all the other alliances of jealous parasites.

NYETO has been putting a noose on anti-Globalist Russia ever since a drunken appeaser like Yeltsin let them go right up to the borders of his country.  If Putin fails to block and reverse the One-World tyranny, the independent states of America will be next.

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And so f'cking what?

I have no affinity for Russia or Putin. Nor do I have any for Ukraine or comic-boy.

I do have an affinity for life. The person you want to support has proven and self-affirmed neo-Nazis in his employ in his military. That's a fact.

So while you go-a-wavin' your cute li'l "NAZI!" chickenshit about, remember that Zelinsky is as guilty on that particular count as Putin. They're both deplorable in that respect. I want no part in this BS.

You want to finance and even perhaps send in NATO troops to side with the Ukes.

Sooo...Beave...who's standing at the top of the rational hill?

Bullshit you have plenty of affinity for Russia and Putin. How come you don’t ever criticize his invasion or have an insulting nickname for him?

What is your point about Zelensky that if he wasn’t a “nazi” he’d rather surrender to the Russians and their Nazis than defend his country with a small handful of neo-nazis in his ranks?

Ridiculous. You’re a Kremlin sympathizer through and through and nobody believes your lies about your fake neutrality and interest in peace 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Bullshit you have plenty of affinity for Russia and Putin. How come you don’t ever criticize his invasion or have an insulting nickname for him?

What is your point about Zelensky that if he wasn’t a “nazi” he’d rather surrender to the Russians and their Nazis than defend his country with a small handful of neo-nazis in his ranks?

Ridiculous. You’re a Kremlin sympathizer through and through and nobody believes your lies about your fake neutrality and interest in peace 

Ridiculous huh? What was it the li'l darling said the day after he was elected?

"I think that we will have personnel changes. In any case we will continue in the direction of the Minsk [peace] talks and head towards concluding a ceasefire"

What did he do? Trampled on the Ukrainian press and ignored any notions of peace. 

He's cut from the same dictatorial cloth as Putin. These 2 jack-asses deserve each other. 

[Boges]

19 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This is what you said. Now tell me...other than skin colour, what ethnic similarities do you figure the German and Czech people have?

The Sudetenland was a historically German part of Czechoslovakia. Just like Annexing Austria, his goal was to unify the German people, then went ahead and Annexed the entire country. 

Appeasers in the West let him have it and then he invaded Poland, then France, then the USSR. 

Putin annexed Crimea to unify Russian people then tried to annex all of Ukraine, With from NATO, he's failing miserably at doing that. If the West let him have Ukraine, could he take Moldova next, Romania? Lithuania? 

His goal has always been to unify the old USSR. If NATO refused to help, what's to stop him from threatening Nuclear War if he can't have Poland and East Germany back? You'd support that right? You don't even like NATO's Article 5. 

NATO and the EU understand lessons from history. You clearly don't because you're just towing the populist Conservative line that Putin is actually a Strong leader and the West should leave him to his goals. 

Again, I'm glad few leaders, that matter, are listening to you people. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Boges

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

The Sudetenland was a historically German part of Czechoslovakia. Just like Annexing Austria, his goal was to unify the German people, then went ahead and Annexed the entire country. 

Appeasers in the West let him have it and then he invaded Poland, then France, then the USSR. 

Putin annexed Crimea to unify Russian people then tried to annex all of Ukraine, With from NATO, he's failing miserably at doing that. If the West let him have Ukraine, could he take Moldova next, Romania? Lithuania? 

His goal has always been to unify the old USSR. If NATO refused to help, what's to stop him from threatening Nuclear War if he can't have Poland and East Germany back? You'd support that right? You don't even like NATO's Article 5. 

NATO and the EU understand lessons from history. You clearly don't because you're just towing the populist Conservative line that Putin is actually a Strong leader and the West should leave him to his goals. 

Again, I'm glad few leaders, that matter, are listening to you people. 

Were the Czechs attacking the Germans in that sliver of land? No?

Not really the same now...is it.

And who said I don't like article 5?

NATO and the EU are prolonging a conflict that should have been ended last summer. This is not a defence of anyone. Its a business.

[Boges]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Were the Czechs attacking the Germans in that sliver of land? No?

Not really the same now...is it.

And who said I don't like article 5?

It's exactly the same thing. You're trying to find ways to make Ukraine look like they had the invasion coming. Which is appalling and immoral. 

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NATO and the EU are prolonging a conflict that should have been ended last summer. This is not a defence of anyone. Its a business.

Because it's in their interest to not have a Client state of Putin next to Poland. 

And the war would not have been over. Ukraine's resolve is pretty strong. If they couldn't kick Russia out of most of the country like they have. They'd have made this a protracted urban conflict where Russia would have to deal with civilian insurgency. 

 

[Luz P.]

While folks passionately defend their POV there’s a prevalent short-sightedness or perhaps it’s an unwillingness to admit who the biggest losers in the long run will be:

1.    USA

2.    EU

3.    NATO

4.    Ukraine

5.    Russia

Let’s see if the USA finally stops interfering in other countries’ business and stops with the proxy wars. There’s a massive contradiction that in the land of the “brave” the strategy has always been to “fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here”… something only cowards would do. 

It’s so easy to be a war hawk while sitting in the comfort of your living room.

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

It's exactly the same thing. You're trying to find ways to make Ukraine look like they had the invasion coming. Which is appalling and immoral. 

Because it's in their interest to not have a Client state of Putin next to Poland. 

And the war would not have been over. Ukraine's resolve is pretty strong. If they couldn't kick Russia out of most of the country like they have. They'd have made this a protracted urban conflict where Russia would have to deal with civilian insurgency. 

 

Sooo...you're mad because my position...hurts your feelings? Quelle suprise...

Horseshit! Up until recently, Ukraine was a "client state" of Russia. Nobody cared. Not even when Ukraine applied to NATO. They were rejected because...nobody cared. They were corrupt and provided a physical buffer zone to the Russians.

A civilian insurgency? In the ethnic Russian quarter of Ukraine? Hardly...

What's "immoral"...IMO...is to watch on while this really big power, beats the tar out of a really small and decimated power, over land that the inhabitants have said TWICE now that they want to be "Russians"...and thousands are murdered by both sides...because YOU "feel" that's what should happen. You're feeding these people just enough to not stave to death. Its mean...self-centred...and sick to watch.

[Boges]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sooo...you're mad because my position...hurts your feelings? Quelle suprise...

Horseshit! Up until recently, Ukraine was a "client state" of Russia. Nobody cared. Not even when Ukraine applied to NATO. They were rejected because...nobody cared. They were corrupt and provided a physical buffer zone to the Russians.

Yeah but when they overthrow the Putin puppet and Putin starts annexing territory, people in the West start to care. Which is what happened. I'm not sure if you the Putin propaganda you consume lets you know real facts and stuff. 

 

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A civilian insurgency? In the ethnic Russian quarter of Ukraine? Hardly...

Putin's goal was to install a puppet. That wasn't happening, even without NATO's help. 

 

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What's "immoral"...IMO...is to watch on while this really big power, beats the tar out of a really small and decimated power, over land that the inhabitants have said TWICE now that they want to be "Russians"...and thousands are murdered by both sides...because YOU "feel" that's what should happen. You're feeding these people just enough to not stave to death. Its mean...self-centred...and sick to watch.

Again believing sham elections. But you're not a Pro Putin apologist or anything LOL. Putin doesn't even have control of most of that territory anymore. And he's imported millions of Russians into Crimea, to make it Russian. 

Is that the type or international affairs you support? 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Yeah but when they overthrow the Putin puppet and Putin starts annexing territory, people in the West start to care. Which is what happened. I'm not sure if you the Putin propaganda you consume lets you know real facts and stuff. 

 

Putin's goal was to install a puppet. That wasn't happening, even without NATO's help. 

 

Again believing sham elections. But you're not a Pro Putin apologist or anything LOL. Putin doesn't even have control of most of that territory anymore. And he's imported millions of Russians into Crimea, to make it Russian. 

Is that the type or international affairs you support? 

Real facts? LOL...

You know Putin's goal, do ya... Do you know Zelinsky's goal too?

"Putin apologist". Ya know...I've grown tired of that lie...you and your sound-bytes can jack off somewhere else, thank you very much.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Nationalist

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Real facts? LOL...

You know Putin's goal, do ya... Do you know Zelinsky's goal too?

"Putin apologist". Ya know...I've grown tired of that lie...you and your sound-bytes can jack off somewhere else, thank you very much.

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Zelinskyy's goal is simple, the survival of his country.
 

You are the biggest Putin apologist here.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

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Zelinskyy's goal is simple, the survival of his country.
 

You are the biggest Putin apologist here.

And a new kitchen in his Florida villa for his wife.

You are blind.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And a new kitchen in his Florida villa for his wife.

You are blind.

So how did the  ex KGB colonel and so called politician called Putin become a multi billionaire? You really are delusional.

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

So how did the  ex KGB colonel and so called politician called Putin become a multi billionaire? You really are delusional.

He probably "annexed" it.

You Libbies...always trying to assume things about people. You figure because I know what sort of man comic-boy is, that I think highly of his counterpart.

Really...must you be such simpletons?

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Real facts? LOL...

You know Putin's goal, do ya... Do you know Zelinsky's goal too?

"Putin apologist". Ya know...I've grown tired of that lie...you and your sound-bytes can jack off somewhere else, thank you very much.

Well the initial strategy of the war was to take Kiev. They invaded from Belarus in the North and tried to siege the city but became sitting ducks and had to retreat. 

Their strategy now is a backup plan. They have no hope to annex Ukraine. I don't even think they have much hope of retaining Crimea. 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

He probably "annexed" it.

You Libbies...always trying to assume things about people. You figure because I know what sort of man comic-boy is, that I think highly of his counterpart.

Really...must you be such simpletons?

Answer the question. Calling people names is not an answer. You cast unsubstantiated  accusations totally ignoring the fact your hero is an out and out gangster who has become one of the richest people on earth on the backs of his own people. 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Well the initial strategy of the war was to take Kiev. They invaded from Belarus in the North and tried to siege the city but became sitting ducks and had to retreat. 

Their strategy now is a backup plan. They have no hope to annex Ukraine. I don't even think they have much hope of retaining Crimea. 

Good lord...really? Ya don't think the idea was to severely cripple the capital? I'm wondering...has Putin or anyone other that the MSM and you fine folks, claimed the objective was to take all of Ukraine?

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

of course the objective was to take all of Ukraine. But what happened was the CIA flew into Ukraine with sensitive intelligence where the Russians would target to take over Kyiv. The Hostomel airport was a key point. 

Even though initially the Russians controlled that crucial point, the intelligence supplied by the CIA proved sufficient as Ukrainians had other battalions ready and eventually defeated the Russians. 

This is when the FSB started quickly to run propaganda that everything was a distraction and the intent was never to take Kyiv, only Eastern Ukraine. This propaganda from the FSB made its way to populists and people that don't like our current Western system for various reasons. @Luz P.

So, what happened was the Russians lost the intelligence war and suffered a crushing defeat when it comes to the initial plant. 

Video below of the initial assault + update of their retreat: 

"of course"?

Hilarious...

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Good lord...really? Ya don't think the idea was to severely cripple the capital? I'm wondering...has Putin or anyone other that the MSM and you fine folks, claimed the objective was to take all of Ukraine?

If that was the goal, why not just implement terror bombing from the start? 

Instead they had columns of ill-prepared soldiers waiting outside the city. Until they realized they best retreat or they'd all be dead. And they left much of their Equipment for the Ukrainian solder. 

The initial goal was certainly to replace Zelensky with a Putin Puppet. 

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

If that was the goal, why not just implement terror bombing from the start? 

Instead they had columns of ill-prepared soldiers waiting outside the city. Until they realized they best retreat or they'd all be dead. And they left much of their Equipment for the Ukrainian solder. 

The initial goal was certainly to replace Zelensky with a Putin Puppet. 

Man it's no wonder everything you Libbies touch, turns to crap.

You consistently make assumptions based on nothing more than your own reasoning. The same reasoning that lead you all to believe so many dumb-ass things that eventually have been proven dead wrong.

I suppose you have to trust yourselves but really now...do you expect anyone else to trust you?

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Man it's no wonder everything you Libbies touch, turns to crap.

You consistently make assumptions based on nothing more than your own reasoning. The same reasoning that lead you all to believe so many dumb-ass things that eventually have been proven dead wrong.

I suppose you have to trust yourselves but really now...do you expect anyone else to trust you?

What reasoning would have soldiers invade Ukraine from the North and surround it's capital city only to retreat some weeks later leaving their supplies? 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

What reasoning would have soldiers invade Ukraine from the North and surround it's capital city only to retreat some weeks later leaving their supplies? 

I don't know. Nor do you. It's possible they retreated because they screwed up...and it's possible there were other reasons.

[Luz P.]

On 12/15/2022 at 1:59 PM, Contrarian said:

Non-sense, not all wars are the same. I agreed with Jacques Chirac, a socialist, when he stood as a proud Frenchman for what is right -> against the war in Iraq. 

I am fairly convinced in today's war he would no doubt support Ukraine, the way Macron is doing now, with a dose of realism, but none of the less still support the Ukrainians fully. 

We can't have in the civilised world, 2022, hordes as during the Dark Ages crossing borders when they want to. Who is next? What if Hungary wants Transilvania because they have some grievances from WW2? should the "War Hawks" stay aside for the so called "peace of the world?"

Interesting how you make fun of "peace of the world" and advocate for war while sitting in Canada.

When was the last time your country fought a war in their land? Never? Perhaps only against native Canadians? Impressive!

Putin isn’t the monster the western MSM makes him out to be (although he isn’t a “good guy” either), but make no mistake Ukraine is getting funds and Zelensky is the latest media darling because they’re fighting USA’s proxy war.  And the USA is committed to fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian and shows its support by sending billions there to the detriment of the American people.

When it dawns on the EU that they’ve also been used in this proxy war, meaning they are paying a much higher price than the USA - which is making out like a bandit with oil and weapon sales -, we’ll see how they end up showing that resentment.