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Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Right here, hero:

Sheesh, did you honestly think you could bluff your way out of that?

Nice try, I guess.

Read back on that quote, genius.  My criticism was that the emergencies act wasn't needed for the G20, so why was it needed here when the protests were clearly more peaceful?  The whole point of the thread was to question why the Emergencies Act was needed. In case it wasn't clear, I don't think the Ottawa protestors needed to be tear gassed or kettled.  

Of course you'll read out of that what you want to hear and make up what my arguments are.  Straw man is so much easier to argue against, after all.  

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"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The police never tried to control it.  They barely arrested anybody.

That is true, but the Ottawa police department was never designed, equipped, or manned for such an event as the occupation of Ottawa.  They could never be expected to deal with that themselves.  They could have arrested a lot more people here and there and tried to set up blockades on one or two streets, but they were correct in saying that doing that could have provoked anarchy and a massive backlash and criminality.  They were simply not the right kind of force to control it.  That was the problem.  They could do nothing except keep a low profile and try to prevent random crimes. Then the provincial and federal governments were slow to respond to requests for help and took three weeks to finally get their act together.  It finally took the O.P.P., the RCMP, and police form other parts of Canada who were flown in, to finally bring the occupation to an end.

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The Ottawa police force embarrassed itself and all of Canada.  There's a huge grey area between what the government finally did to clear the protest, and the Ottawa police's complete negligence and absence. 

Ottawa police have something like 1400 officers at their disposal, and the best that they could do was basically nothing

No.  To be fair, the officers are not to blame.  The police chief's resignation was unlikely voluntary and from what little we've heard he was an ineffective, unpleasant leader that had no plan on how to deal with the protestors or how to make use of the OPP and RCMP officers he'd be asking for.  
 

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted
4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

 My criticism was that the emergencies act wasn't needed for the G20, so why was it needed here when the protests were clearly more peaceful?  

Yes and the G 20 was overkill with massive repercussions. I believe you knew that and that's why you refused to answer the two people who asked you where the picture of the burning police car you used came from. G 20.

You flat out said, you wanted Trudeau to explain why he didn't respond the way they did in G 20.

You also talked of Trudeau's "weak-kneed the response." So let's guess the sort of response you wanted.

You wanted blood on the streets, Bud. Stop trying to BS us.

 

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I brought up the G20 to show that emergency powers weren't needed there, so it didn't make sense for them here.  I'm confused that the massive and heavy-handed police response in Toronto did not require the Emergencies Act, but trucker's blockading did.  That's it.  

Anything beyond that is your own mental fantasy, but no doubt for you it's a lot easier to make up arguments to debate against than to keep your logic straight for more than 30 seconds.  This is just another one of your limp strawmen.  

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted

Looks like what we’re about to see now is not a vote so much as mere decorum of partisan politics. Trudeau and Singh have ordered it.

If CPC had any balls they’d refuse to vote and walk out.

Posted

What's the point of that?  You can vote no or you abstain.  The symbolic impact of abstaining would amount to nothing. 

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

If CPC had any balls they’d refuse to vote and walk out.

If they really wanted to let the base know which side they're on they'd show up for the vote with air horns. Maybe spritz on some eau' de diesel to really rub everyone's nose in it.

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A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

Posted
33 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

What's the point of that?  You can vote no or you abstain.  The symbolic impact of abstaining would amount to nothing. 

Its a statement that this is no longer democracy. Voting itself is merely a symbolic gesture.

Posted
6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Its a statement that this is no longer democracy. Voting itself is merely a symbolic gesture.

It's not a democracy if you don't get your own way.  Got it.  

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted
10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Its a statement that this is no longer democracy. Voting itself is merely a symbolic gesture.

The country is still  a democracy you people make me laugh.. just cause you don't like vaccine mandates  the country is no longer a democracy LOL.

PROUD NDP SUPPORTER. #SINGHOUT

Posted
21 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

The country is still  a democracy you people make me laugh.. just cause you don't like vaccine mandates  the country is no longer a democracy LOL.

When policies are unconstitutional it’s very hard to believe in our system.  

Posted
1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

It's not a democracy if you don't get your own way.  Got it.  

No need for MP’s anymore. Just the will of Trudeau, Singh.

But hey. Far be it from me to take your democracy away from you. Enjoy the illusion.

Posted
21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

When policies are unconstitutional it’s very hard to believe in our system.  

You are just saying "unconstitutional" but can neither explain how or why it is so, nor which Section of our Charter/Constitution is being violated.  It's just another clueless slogan along the lines of "muh freeeedom!" and nothing more.  

 

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted
18 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You are just saying "unconstitutional" but can neither explain how or why it is so, nor which Section of our Charter/Constitution is being violated.  It's just another clueless slogan along the lines of "muh freeeedom!" and nothing more.  

 

You already know.  Don’t waste my time. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You already know.  Don’t waste my time. 

I know that you're yelling the words but don't have even the most remote idea what you're talking about.  I know that the Courts have dismissed the challenges against the mandates thus far and upheld that they are Constitutional.  I know that you guys can't explain anything about the Constitution or the Charter in the first place and that your argument is nothing more than "something something Freeeeedom." 
 

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted
17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I know that you're yelling the words but don't have even the most remote idea what you're talking about.  I know that the Courts have dismissed the challenges against the mandates thus far and upheld that they are Constitutional.  I know that you guys can't explain anything about the Constitution or the Charter in the first place and that your argument is nothing more than "something something Freeeeedom." 
 

Yes I’m a stupid man.  Stop your silliness.

Posted (edited)

@ZeitgeistStop yelling slogans when you're totally clueless about what they mean.  ?

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Posted

Trudeau's proven himself a fool and done so undeniably in the last two months.  It's just too bad that he did it butting heads with other fools.  It was like watching monkeys fling poo at each other.  
 

"A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Trudeau's proven himself a fool and done so undeniably in the last two months. 

Yes and he did it with the support of Singh and the NDP.

So here's what the Singh led NDP and their partners in crime in the Liberal party are supporting.

Their thugs bashed Rebel Reporter, Alexa Lavoie with clubs then shot her point blank in the leg with a tear gas cannister. 

https://www.rebelnews.com/breaking_rebel_news_journalist_alexa_lavoie_attacked_by_ottawa_police

Assault-on-Alexa-Lavoie.jpg

And the full story is out now on the octogenarian, Aboriginal woman who was trampled by RCMP horses. They broke her clavicle.

I've read about at least 5 lawsuits or legal actions so far including this one.

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"I have spoken with Alexa and with legal counsel. We will sue the police on Alexa's behalf. I know the rest of the Media Party is delighting at Trudeau's brutality and martial law. But we still believe in peace and freedom," said Levant. 

 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yes and he did it with the support of Singh and the NDP.

So here's what the Singh led NDP and their partners in crime in the Liberal party are supporting.

Their thugs bashed Rebel Reporter, Alexa Lavoie with clubs then shot her point blank in the leg with a tear gas cannister. 

https://www.rebelnews.com/breaking_rebel_news_journalist_alexa_lavoie_attacked_by_ottawa_police

Assault-on-Alexa-Lavoie.jpg

And the full story is out now on the octogenarian, Aboriginal woman who was trampled by RCMP horses. They broke her clavicle.

I've read about at least 5 lawsuits or legal actions so far including this one.

 

No one here will accept a report or video from Rebel News.

It's funny because they were the first and probably only news that reported a few years ago on the adult refugees in Atlantic Canada that were pretending to be teenagers and were sexually harrassing young girls in the high schools, too.

"There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe."

~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~

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