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[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No one here will accept a report or video from Rebel News.

It's funny because they were the first and probably only news that reported a few years ago on the adult refugees in Atlantic Canada that were pretending to be teenagers and were sexually harrassing young girls in the high schools, too.

 

Lavoie is a good reporter. A Quebecois filmmaker, I believe, as well. She was right on the frontline with all the Sikhs taking those clubs and mace. She got it several times including the face. 

Edited February 22, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[Moonbox]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No one here will accept a report or video from Rebel News.

It's funny because they were the first and probably only news that reported a few years ago on the adult refugees in Atlantic Canada that were pretending to be teenagers and were sexually harrassing young girls in the high schools, too.

Well Rebel Media was founded by Ezra Levant, who's been successfully sued for libel (read: lying) so many times I lost track.  As a news outlet it really couldn't have less credibility than it does. It's an outlet for snakes to tell their audience of fools exactly what they want to hear and validate their delusions and conspiracy theories.  

On visiting their website you're to this gem, which tells you everything you need to know about the sort of people contributing to and reading it:

[DogOnPorch]

Ezra serves the function of not being the MSM no matter how odious at times. 

It will be interesting to see if Justin decides they are terrorists.

Wait. Maybe YOU'RE a terrorist...

[DogOnPorch]

...and your mother.

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Ezra serves the function of not being the MSM no matter how odious at times.

Ezra serves the function of a compulsive liar and raving demagogue.  That he's lost as many libel cases as he has despite his legal training is a pretty damning condemnation of his integrity.  He's not stupid and he knows better, but he just doesn't care.  This is a former tobacco lobbyist, after all.  

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Moonbox said:

Ezra serves the function of a compulsive liar and raving demagogue.  That he's lost as many libel cases as he has despite his legal training is a pretty damning condemnation of his integrity.  He's not stupid and he knows better, but he just doesn't care.  This is a former tobacco lobbyist, after all.  

 

 

The function is the same. A view other than those in lock-step with the government. Healthy for a society.

[Infidel Dog]

See how they did that though?

"Ezra's a big, fat poopy head" = Pay no attention to the police thuggery. 

I don't know if that trick still works or not but they won't stop doing it so there must be some dummies around who are still falling for it.

[Infidel Dog]

What I mean is, the video evidence of the thuggery put in place by the government apparatus is right in front of our faces.

That Moonbox doesn't like Ezra Levant is meaningless. Why would we pretend it matters.

[Zeitgeist]

38 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

What I mean is, the video evidence of the thuggery put in place by the government apparatus is right in front of our faces.

That Moonbox doesn't like Ezra Levant is meaningless. Why would we pretend it matters.

Well exactly. We’re starved for credible sources.  Epoch Times is interesting.  National Post gets close.  I really think you have to dig around.  It’s all there online.  It’s hard because there’s a lot of crazy information, but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.  The World Economic Forum penetration of Canada’s Cabinet is the transformative event.  I don’t know how unwitting our Cabinet is but my trust is low for good reason.  Freeland sounds downright frightening.  So does Ottawa’s Chief of Police.  Trudeau is trying to put a happy face on the nightmare and the mainstream, heavily government-funded media in Canada is collaborating.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

No one here will accept a report or video from Rebel News.

That is correct.  We have enough news sources - including right-wing ones - that we don't need to use ambulance chasers and liars.  The most damaging stories on Trudeau have come from foreign sources, (Blackface) the Globe and Mail (SNC Lavalin) and Global (Reconciliation Day lies)

While other companies investigate and do journalism, The Rebel sends its "journalists" to run at Trudeau's Bodyguards or jump in to a protest that is being broken up.

They are not legitimate.  Just because you agree with someone's politics, doesn't make them a good person or a rigorous and reputable journalist.  Use the National Post if you want right-wing.

[Yzermandius19]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That is correct.  We have enough news sources - including right-wing ones - that we don't need to use ambulance chasers and liars.  The most damaging stories on Trudeau have come from foreign sources, (Blackface) the Globe and Mail (SNC Lavalin) and Global (Reconciliation Day lies)

While other companies investigate and do journalism, The Rebel sends its "journalists" to run at Trudeau's Bodyguards or jump in to a protest that is being broken up.

They are not legitimate.  Just because you agree with someone's politics, doesn't make them a good person or a rigorous and reputable journalist.  Use the National Post if you want right-wing.

what right leaning sources do you listen to?

there aren't many in Canada, and you clearly don't hear much from the non-cuck right

you are often totally unaware of their views entirely whenever people mention them

you demonize them at every turn, claiming they are all liars who shouldn't be listened to

 

hell you even constantly demonize cuckservatives and center-left sources as right-wing extremists

while mostly frequenting lefty government toadie sources

and constantly singing their praises

 

you have enough sources lulz

you live in a woke globalist lefty echo chamber

except when you want to troll the right

your Overton Window of acceptable opinions is very narrow

and doesn't include the right in it

especially when it comes to news sources

stop lying

Edited February 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

52 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. what right leaning sources do you listen to?

2. there aren't many in Canada, and you clearly don't hear much from the non-cuck right

3. you are often totally unaware of their views entirely whenever people mention them

4. you demonize them at every turn, claiming they are all liars who shouldn't be listened to

5. hell you even constantly demonize cuckservatives  

1. I don't tend to 'listen' - I tend to 'read'.  I read all of the legitimate right- and centre-right- sources posted here, Postmedia, and Globe and Mail etc.
2. A large majority of editorial press is explicitly right-wing
3. I'm unaware of rumours such as "Mohawks are massing near Ottawa" or self- created controversies.  I often ask questions here to get clarification.
4. No they are not all liars.  Quiggin Report are definitely liars, as are some other online muck senders.
5. Not sure what that is... not a real term - it's just slang... you can't expect me to keep up with such things
 

[Yzermandius19]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I don't tend to 'listen' - I tend to 'read'.  I read all of the legitimate right- and centre-right- sources posted here, Postmedia, and Globe and Mail etc.
2. A large majority of editorial press is explicitly right-wing
3. I'm unaware of rumours such as "Mohawks are massing near Ottawa" or self- created controversies.  I often ask questions here to get clarification.
4. No they are not all liars.  Quiggin Report are definitely liars, as are some other online muck senders.
5. Not sure what that is... not a real term - it's just slang... you can't expect me to keep up with such things
 

1) both of those sources are not very right wing at all

basically you write off any source that is right of center to be illegitimate

2) an extreme minority of the editorial press is explicitly right wing

Canadian fake conservatives do not count, neither do British fake conservatives

conserving the left is not right wing

4) yet you can't even name one right wing source you think aren't liars or extremists

all the "right wing" sources you find legitimate are centrist at best

 

your Overton Window doesn't include the right-wing

it barely even includes the center

most of your favorite news sources are blatant lefty propaganda

just admit it

and stop lying to yourself and others

Edited February 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1) both of those sources are not very right wing at all

2) basically you write off any source that is right of center to be illegitimate

3) an extreme minority of the editorial press is explicitly right wing

4) Canadian fake conservatives do not count, neither do British fake conservatives

5) yet you can't even name one right wing source you think aren't liars or extremists

6) all the "right wing" sources you find legitimate are centrist at best

7) and stop lying to yourself and others

1. Well they traditionally, and with few exceptions, support the Conservative Party of Canada editorially.  Do you consider that party to be right wing ?
2. 3. We need to resolve #1.
4. Ok you don't want to call Canadian Conservatives right wing...
5. I did name them
6. Ok.
7. So you want to redefine right-wing away from 'Conservative' - that's your issue.  Radicals and Marxists also enjoy trying to force people to change how they use language.  It's an uphill battle, and good luck with it.  I'm not buying in, though.  Stephen Harper was not a Communist... nor a Fascist and on a discussion board it's extremely problematic to leap in and start using confusing language.

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well they traditionally, and with few exceptions, support the Conservative Party of Canada editorially.  Do you consider that party to be right wing ?
2. 3. We need to resolve #1.
4. Ok you don't want to call Canadian Conservatives right wing...
5. I did name them
6. Ok.
7. So you want to redefine right-wing away from 'Conservative' - that's your issue.  Radicals and Marxists also enjoy trying to force people to change how they use language.  It's an uphill battle, and good luck with it.  I'm not buying in, though.  Stephen Harper was not a Communist... nor a Fascist and on a discussion board it's extremely problematic to leap in and start using confusing language.

Stephen Harper was a conservative in the legitimate ways, yes, almost a red Tory in practice actually. He was really a centrist, which is a good thing.  I consider myself a centrist.  It’s certainly always been my politics.  The Liberal-NDP government are not acting as liberal-democrats right now.  Not even close.  

[Yzermandius19]

53 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well they traditionally, and with few exceptions, support the Conservative Party of Canada editorially.  Do you consider that party to be right wing ?

no the CPC is not right wing

they are the Liberals using a different name with different colors

there is no major party that is right wing in Canada

and you call all the right wing parties in Canada extremists

so like I said

the right wing is not within your range of acceptable opinions

and you dismiss them out of hand frivolously

Edited February 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Moonbox]

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

no the CPC is not right wing

they are the Liberals using a different name with different colors

there is no major party that is right wing in Canada

Here's where your delusions become apparent. 

There's a wide range of left and right and it's an evolving concept.  The CPC was always considered right-wing and is still considered right-wing by the overwhelming majority of Canadians.  The fact that you're so far "right" of them that you consider them "left" is indicative of how far out there your politics are and nothing else.  

12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

and you call all the right wing parties in Canada extremists

so like I said

the right wing is not within your range of acceptable opinions

and you dismiss them out of hand frivolously

We dismiss them because they're nonsense and completely out of touch with reality.  If you consider that most Canadians can't even stomach the CPC (personally that's who I usually vote for) and consider them too far right, you're only fooling yourself if you think going further right of that is an answer to anything.  

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Here's where your delusions become apparent. 

There's a wide range of left and right and it's an evolving concept.  The CPC was always considered right-wing and is still considered right-wing by the overwhelming majority of Canadians.  The fact that you're so far "right" of them that you consider them "left" is indicative of how far out there your politics are and nothing else.  

We dismiss them because they're nonsense and completely out of touch with reality.  If you consider that most Canadians can't even stomach the CPC (personally that's who I usually vote for) and consider them too far right, you're only fooling yourself if you think going further right of that is an answer to anything.  

what Canadians think is right wing has no impact on reality

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

what Canadians think is right wing has no impact on reality

Well this is a fascinating brand of utter nonsense.  Who, exactly, determines what is and isn't "right wing"?  Let's see you explain that one.  I'll wait.  

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Well this is a fascinating brand of utter nonsense.  Who, exactly, determines what is and isn't "right wing"?  Let's see you explain that one.  I'll wait.  

not you

plenty of right wingers in America

nowhere near as many in Canada

the Americans can tell the difference

most Canadians can't, you included

Edited February 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Moonbox]

So, you can't/won't actually explain it.  Okay got it.  

From an outside perspective, it seems like "Right Wing" is people that Yzermandius19 agrees with, and everyone he doesn't agree with is...not? 

Feel free to correct me and explain your reasoning.  I'm genuinely interested in hearing it.   

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

  Who, exactly, determines what is and isn't "right wing"?   

Every individual gets to decide for themselves what all words mean.  That will facilitate discussion you see.  ?

[Zeitgeist]

45 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

So, you can't/won't actually explain it.  Okay got it.  

From an outside perspective, it seems like "Right Wing" is people that Yzermandius19 agrees with, and everyone he doesn't agree with is...not? 

Feel free to correct me and explain your reasoning.  I'm genuinely interested in hearing it.   

He’s saying we must protect free speech, not just speech we agree with ideologically.  What’s more, accusations of racism are getting used far too loosely these days to vilify people with legitimate concerns, including the concerns of minorities and marginalized peoples.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Moonbox]

I was specifically asking what Right Wing meant to him, but that's fine.  He doesn't have an answer because there isn't one.  It's a matter of perspective.

Free speech is an important pillar of any free society, but it isn't and shouldn't be limitless.  If you can agree that someone's not allowed to utter threats to another or commit fraud, then you already agree to limits on free speech.  If you agree with that, then you can agree that there are other limits.  No doubt things go too far sometimes and Michael and I have had looong debates about "woke" overreach, but the answer to it isn't an equally hysterical but opposite counter-reaction.  

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That is correct. 

That's a pretty proggy definition of the word "correct" there, Mikey.

What I mean by that is it equates well with what you'd like to believe but it worthless in describing what the word has always meant before you got at it.

I'll tell you a story...

There's an independent commentator and documentarian named Lauren Southern. She's based out of Langley BC but is known throughout the plugged-in world. She got her start with Rebel News.

Last week she was live broadcasting a report from the protest at the Peace Arch Border between White Rock BC and Blaine Washington.

She was having a friendly chat with a lady when what looked like the woman's son came up and pointed about 50 feet up the road. A crowd was gathering around a car. Up until then everything had been happy and peaceful. Thousands of people were enjoying a peaceful protest. 

The commotion around the car though was a journalist pulling out his equipment.

It was mainstream media. The crowd shouted "Shame Shame" or "Enemy of the people." They were angry. They chased the MSM guy off.

On her live broadcast Lauren was saying, "Just watch. When the report is aired on the mainstream news you won't see any of what you've been watching here all day. You won't see happy peaceful people like your neighbors out here exchanging their views about what's wrong with the current situation. All you'll see is that journalist being "attacked" even though no actual harm was done to him and it was a small isolated incident.

She was right. I saw it on the nightly news last night. It was exactly as Lauren predicted. A quick flurry of angry people with no explanation of why then  5 minutes of support for the idea of clearing them off.

That's why I call them the 5 O'clock liars and that's why you are incorrect in claiming no one here will accept a report from Rebel News. I'll accept it, consider the evidence and whether or not their claim makes sense. I'll even judge them against the claims from the opposite side. You know...the 5 O'clock liars. I'll even listen to them. Rebel will tell me facts they refuse to though, and I've heard fewer blatant, recognizable lies judged against the evidence of my own eyes than I do at 5 to 7 on the MSM.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Infidel Dog