Trucker's Convoy

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I am as skeptical as the next guy. I am just  not paranoid about it.

You don’t sound that skeptical to me.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The sacred Shakled Leviathan in the Corridor of liberal-democracy.  

I think ex-flyer, Queenmandy and others who give “ups” to illiberalism will be disappointed.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/freedom-convoy-organizer-tamara-lich-to-be-released-on-bail-again-1.6003103

 

[Zeitgeist]

Overnight the Rebuplicans became the true progressive freedom party.  I think a lot of this crisis “times are getting harder” BS can be tossed out with the right government.  Poilievre as PM and DeSantis as Prez.  Even Tump would be better than the status quo.  

Edited July 27, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[West]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I think ex-flyer, Queenmandy and others who give “ups” to illiberalism will be disappointed.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/freedom-convoy-organizer-tamara-lich-to-be-released-on-bail-again-1.6003103

 

It's quite disgraceful that we have so called Canadians actually cheering on clear abuses of the legal system over politics. Much like the vile democrats south of the boarder

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, West said:

It's quite disgraceful that we have so called Canadians actually cheering on clear abuses of the legal system over politics. Much like the vile democrats south of the boarder

Yes, exactly why Mr. Trudeau attempted to inflict a wound on the CPC by introducing dialogue on abortion rights, gun control, black lives matter and defunding police. All non-issues in Canada, but at the same time very divisive issues. He intends to use them to damage Canadian culture.

Now he’s going after Hockey Canada.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You don’t sound that skeptical to me.

? What does skeptical sound like?

I question a lot, including folks like you.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I think ex-flyer, Queenmandy and others who give “ups” to illiberalism will be disappointed.

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/freedom-convoy-organizer-tamara-lich-to-be-released-on-bail-again-1.6003103

 

Why would I be disappointed?

I have said she deserves to be in jail because she was stupid.

I have also said that the charges against her would probably be dropped or at worst, sentenced to time served.

The stupid part is was it worth it? All that time in jail? The expense? The personal restrictions? The potential harm to her career/life/movement going forward?

Edited July 27, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Why would I be disappointed?

I have said she deserves to be in jail because she was stupid.

I have also said that the charges against her would probably be dropped or at worst, sentenced to time served.

The stupid part is was it worth it? All that time in jail? The expense? The personal restrictions? The potential harm to her career/life/movement going forward?

She led an important movement.  What have other activist leaders felt?   Mandela was jailed a long time.  Was it worth it to him?

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

She led an important movement.  What have other activist leaders felt?   Mandela was jailed a long time.  Was it worth it to him?

I truly hope you are not even close to trying to compare Lich to Nelson Mandela and his struggle to gain equality for the South African peoples against apartheid and hundreds of years of racism??

That would be an insult to every South African let alone to any anti racism movement.

At best, she is equal to the turmoil (LOL) caused by the Occupy Wall Street protest.

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The stupid part is was it worth it? All that time in jail? The expense? The personal restrictions? The potential harm to her career/life/movement going forward?

Some people believe in causes, and are willing to put themselves on the line for it.

Interesting that you think she deserves jail for stupidity, but that the charges will be dropped. Well, not really. But that could be bad for Mr. Turdeau.

She will also be a hero to some people, and may receive financial assistance as a form of “backing” for her cause.

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I truly hope you are not even close to trying to compare Lich to Nelson Mandela and his struggle to gain equality for the South African peoples against apartheid and hundreds of years of racism??

That would be an insult to every South African let alone to any anti racism movement.

At best, she is equal to the turmoil (LOL) caused by the Occupy Wall Street protest.

Oh you’re such a good person.  Activists believe in their causes whether or not you agree with their causes.  Malcolm X also spent time in jail.  Is that a better comparison for you or is he too a substantially better human being than Lich?

[ExFlyer]

33 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Some people believe in causes, and are willing to put themselves on the line for it.

Interesting that you think she deserves jail for stupidity, but that the charges will be dropped. Well, not really. But that could be bad for Mr. Turdeau.

She will also be a hero to some people, and may receive financial assistance as a form of “backing” for her cause.

Yup, I did say she was in jail for stupidity and she will probably get off.

Even the judge will look at it and realize she spent 50 days in jail for being stupid and rule that would be enough punishment. LOL

And for sure she will be a hero for some people. The Occupy Wall Street leaders have hero worshippers too.

And yup, there are those that will feed low flying critters.

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Oh you’re such a good person.  Activists believe in their causes whether or not you agree with their causes.  Malcolm X also spent time in jail.  Is that a better comparison for you or is he too a substantially better human being than Lich?

I am far from a good person.

Lich was looking for and got news facetime and through that stupid action, got arrested.

Are you now shifting from Nelson Mandela comparison to Malcom X? You should get some facts before making absurd comparisons.

Mandela "was arrested for treason, and although acquitted he was arrested again in 1962 for illegally leaving the country. Convicted and sentenced to five years at Robben Island Prison, he was put on trial again in 1964 on charges of sabotage."

Malcom X  "involved in the street life and criminal activities of Roxbury and Harlem" and " he was arrested for the first time for allegedly stealing and pawning his half-sister's fur coat." and then "he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to 8-10 years in the Charlestown State Prison.",

Both nothing to do with protesting.

Edited July 27, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

33 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I am far from a good person.

Lich was looking for and got news facetime and through that stupid action, got arrested.

Are you now shifting from Nelson Mandela comparison to Malcom X? You should get some facts before making absurd comparisons.

Mandela "was arrested for treason, and although acquitted he was arrested again in 1962 for illegally leaving the country. Convicted and sentenced to five years at Robben Island Prison, he was put on trial again in 1964 on charges of sabotage."

Malcom X  "involved in the street life and criminal activities of Roxbury and Harlem" and " he was arrested for the first time for allegedly stealing and pawning his half-sister's fur coat." and then "he was convicted of robbery and sentenced to 8-10 years in the Charlestown State Prison.",

Both nothing to do with protesting.

You don’t see how ridiculously woke and fake I think you sound.

 I may not agree with everything Lich thinks or does, but I see the value of the mandate protest as a critical questioning of government overreach and loss of Charter rights.  You don’t agree with that assessment, which is fine.  Millions of Canadians do agree with that assessment.

 I don’t know what Malcolm X or Mandela were like in their personal lives.  I think Mandela was a hero and Malcolm X did some heroic things, even though I may not agree with all of his views throughout his life.  For a while he didn’t accept that white people could understand or support true equality for black people.  I admire both figures for their courage.  I admire Lich as well for her courage.  Most people wouldn’t take such personal risks to fight for a cause.  I do think her cause has real and important value, because government might not have relented on oppressive mandates and restrictions without these protests.  They’re still maintaining ArriveCAN vaccine passports and mandates, so clearly government overreach is a real problem in Canada.

 

[ExFlyer]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t see how ridiculously woke and fake I think you sound.

 I may not agree with everything Lich thinks or does, .....

 I don’t know what Malcolm X or Mandela were like in their personal lives. ....

 

You don’t see how ridiculous and fake I think you sound.

You make claims about Lich being in jail and then compare her to two people that spent time in jail for actual crimes, proving that you knew little or nothing about them.

Just making you aware and providing some facts.

If you actually think Lich and her status and actions equals that of Mandela and Malcom X, then I think you are completely delusional.

Edited July 27, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

You don’t see how ridiculous and fake I think you sound.

You make claims about Lich being in jail and compare her to two people that you knew little or nothing about.

Just making you aware and providing some facts.

If you actually think Lich and her status and actions equals that of Mandela and Malcom X, then I think you are completely delusional.

I don’t like your mushy fake politics.  You’re scared to take honest positions or your honest positions are crap.  Sorry dude, that’s my opinion.  You seem all about defending poor policies and government weakness.  That’s not honourable.  Provide powerful persuasive arguments. I don’t see them and I don’t give a fuck that you don’t like my views.  You mock and try to make those who disagree with you appear ignorant and radical, but I find your views ignorant and ill-formed generally.  Not always.  You’ve said some things I support.  The important thing is that you’re honest about what you believe, your opinions have a firm basis in reality, and you’ll stand up for them, whether or not others agree.  I’m not sure you will meet all that criteria.  Time will tell.  

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t like your mushy fake politics.  You’re scared to take honest positions or your honest positions are crap.  Sorry dude, that’s my opinion.  You seem all about defending poor policies and government weakness.  That’s not honourable.  Provide powerful persuasive arguments. I don’t see them and I don’t give a fuck that you don’t like my views.  You mock and try to make those who disagree with you appear ignorant and radical, but I find your views ignorant and ill-formed generally.  Not always.  You’ve said some things I support.  The important thing is that you’re honest about what you believe, your opinions have a firm basis in reality, and you’ll stand up for them, whether or not others agree.  I’m not sure you will meet all that criteria.  Time will tell.  

Huh?

I called you out on your embarrassingly poor and inaccurate comparison. They are not opinions, they were facts.

I do not mock, I question statements and comments and expect them to be validated. My reality is based on verifiable facts.

My views are mine, as your views are yours. Neither has to be appreciated by each other as they are views except when they are backed by fact.

You are just pissed because I called you out and you are proven completely wrong.

Suck it up and admit it for a change, you have every right to be proven wrong.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Huh?

I called you out on your embarrassingly poor and inaccurate comparison. They are not opinions, they were facts.

I do not mock, I question statements and comments and expect them to be validated. My reality is based on verifiable facts.

My views are mine, as your views are yours. Neither has to be appreciated by each other as they are views except when they are backed by fact.

You are just pissed because I called you out and you are proven completely wrong.

Suck it up and admit it for a change, you have every right to be proven wrong.

 

 

You didn’t call anything out.  I stand by everything I said.  You think the government’s and state-funded media’s treatment of the protesters was fair.  You think they’re losers and radicals.  You see no legitimacy in the opposition of millions of Canadians against the mandates and think that the use of the Emergencies Act, freezing of bank accounts, etc. wasn’t a big deal.  You think the person who led the movement is a trashy loser who deserves being detained because, in your words, she’s “stupid.”

I don’t respect those opinions, and your fake outrage at my comparison of Lich to other political activists is also gross.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You didn’t call anything out.  I stand by everything I said.  You think the government’s and state-funded media’s treatment of the protesters was fair.  You think they’re losers and radicals.  You see no legitimacy in the opposition of millions of Canadians against the mandates and think that the use of the Emergencies Act, freezing of bank accounts, etc. wasn’t a big deal.  You think the person who led the movement is a trashy loser who deserves being detained because, in your words, she’s “stupid.”

I don’t respect those opinions, and your fake outrage at my comparison of Lich to other political activists is also gross.

Nothing fake about my distaste of you putting Lich in the same category as Nelson Mandela and Malcom X.

You are seriously delusional and misguided if you think they are equal in stature.

Don't go off on what was and and your opinion on events. This is about your misuse of true international heros and aligning them to a loser like Lich.

[West]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You didn’t call anything out.  I stand by everything I said.  You think the government’s and state-funded media’s treatment of the protesters was fair.  You think they’re losers and radicals.  You see no legitimacy in the opposition of millions of Canadians against the mandates and think that the use of the Emergencies Act, freezing of bank accounts, etc. wasn’t a big deal.  You think the person who led the movement is a trashy loser who deserves being detained because, in your words, she’s “stupid.”

I don’t respect those opinions, and your fake outrage at my comparison of Lich to other political activists is also gross.

It's disgraceful that this guy thinks like that. I doubt he's even Canadian.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Nothing fake about my distaste of you putting Lich in the same category as Nelson Mandela and Malcom X.

You are seriously delusional and misguided if you think they are equal in stature.

Don't go off on what was and and your opinion on events. This is about your misuse of true international heros and aligning them to a loser like Lich.

Ha ha, you clearly know little about these figures.  Ignorant half-baked ideas… You don’t understand constitutional rights and won’t lift a finger to defend them.  

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha ha, you clearly know little about these figures.  Ignorant half-baked ideas… You don’t understand constitutional rights and won’t lift a finger to defend them.  

Seems to me that I educated you on Mandela and Malcom X so, I am sure you knew nothing about them. Called you out and now you do whatever to back out.

I very much understand constitutional rights. I know that you don't and keep making false claims about them. What constitutional right has been breached in the case if Lich? Exactly? Chapter and verse.?

You cannot because there is none breached. Don't deflect. Don't run off your mouth with senseless deflection  banter. Exactly what chapter and verse is broken in her case.

Simple question and should be easy for you to answer if you are such a constutional expert.

[Goddess]

Erm....need a moderator STAT.

 

[West]

41 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Erm....need a moderator STAT.

 

Guys a little wierdo creep. 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, West said:

Guys a little wierdo creep.