Trucker's Convoy

[Nationalist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

the Government of Canada falsely invoked martial law in order to crush its peaceful political opponents

that is third world banana republic type governance

I simply could never in good conscience employ lethal force on behalf of such a tyrannical regime

Not for them...for your family.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Not for them...for your family.

the only military threat to me & my family is the lunatic Government of Canada itself

but I am sworn to defend & uphold the Crown

so I would not offer resistance against the Queen's Peace

thus I am at the mercy of this government with no way to defend myself, my family, my rights, my property

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the only military threat to me & my family is the lunatic Government of Canada itself

but I am sworn to defend & uphold the Crown

so I would not offer resistance against the Queen's Peace

thus I am at the mercy of this government with no way to defend myself, my family, my rights, my property

Bah...you have a way. No crown.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Bah...you have a way. No crown.

no

goes against all my principles

as a Burkean counterrevolutionary conservative

United Empire Loyalist

Ulster Scots Upper Canadian Orangeman to the bone

I have personal fealty to the monarch

 the story of my people

the regiment is my fatherland

HM is both Colonel & Commander-in-Chief

the oath to the sovereign never expires

I'm British North American

the British Crown is my Canada

Edited July 24, 2022 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

no

goes against all my principles

as a Burkean counterrevolutionary conservative

United Empire Loyalist

Ulster Scots Upper Canadian Orangeman to the bone

I have personal fealty to the monarch

 the story of my people

the regiment is my fatherland

HM is both Colonel & Commander-in-Chief

the oath to the sovereign never expires

I'm British North American

the British Crown is my Canada

That's unfortunate. 

[Dougie93]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's unfortunate. 

not at all

revolution against the Crown would be the worst of all worlds

that would be removing the last bulwark against the Post National State People's Republic

the monarchy is the last link to Judaeo-Christian Protestant Enlightenment values

the right is towards the Queen

the English Common Law flows from the monarch

by placing the monarch on the side of the commons against the overreach of government

expressed as "Her Majesty defends the right"

John Locke's natural rights endowed by a Creator

the supremacy of God & the Anglo-Saxon rule of law

if you overthrew that British Crown in North America

you wouldn't get a red state like Florida to replace it

you would get a red state like Cuba

Edited July 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Nationalist]

46 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not at all

revolution against the Crown would be the worst of all worlds

that would be removing the last bulwark against the Post National State People's Republic

the monarchy is the last link to Judaeo-Christian Protestant Enlightenment values

the right is towards the Queen

the English Common Law flows from the monarch

by placing the monarch on the side of the commons against the overreach of government

expressed as "Her Majesty defends the right"

John Locke's natural rights endowed by a Creator

the supremacy of God & the Anglo-Saxon rule of law

if you overthrew that British Crown in North America

you wouldn't get a red state like Florida to replace it

you would get a red state like Cuba

Meh...I dont need a monarch to tell me what's right or wrong. 

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Meh...I dont need a monarch to tell me what's right or wrong. 

Canada obviously has a code of what is right or wrong

based on Judaeo-Christian values

the Protestant Enlightenment

the English Common Law

the Queen is the living embodiment of that nation

that's Canada, whether you like or not

[Nationalist]

57 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada obviously has a code of what is right or wrong

based on Judaeo-Christian values

the Protestant Enlightenment

the English Common Law

the Queen is the living embodiment of that nation

that's Canada, whether you like or not

I think you overstate her power.

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think you overstate her power.

makes no difference to me

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

makes no difference to me

The pandemic restored Britain’s stature to me because of their independence on vaccine production, their rapid deployment of remedies, and their fast removal of restrictions and mandates.  They left the EU because the members of the EU aren’t in charge of their own countries.  Brussels is.  What’s more, Europe is beholden to all the unaccountable international political organizations that want us to commit hari kari or live like shut-ins to fight climate change or Covid or some other excuse for government overreach.  Britain is a sovereign country.  The US is divided between states that assert US sovereignty and those that accept woke-green narratives and think the country doesn’t deserve to exist.  Canada under Trudeau unfortunately sits in the latter camp.  The Crown is a reminder of the strong parliamentary and common law traditions that are foundational to Canada.

I’d rather keep those links than trust Liberal Post-National State, Davos, or the Club of Rome.  After the Emergencies Act Trucker Convoy fiasco, Trudeau high-tailed it to visit the Queen to gain legitimacy.  France gave up on New France (Quebec).   Quebec gave up on the Catholic Church (the Holy Roman Empire).   Yet Loyalist Ontario and anglophone Alberta and Saskatchewan maintain the Catholic education systems.  English Canada preserves French Canada, not the reverse.  Our pluralism isn’t driven by Quebec.

We need to know where our strength lies and preserve it. Otherwise it’s Disney Princess Post-National State Canada where federal politicians care more about serving international elites than the citizens, but the public is docile and the Mounties look quaint.  A China-light mix of state-funded media, restrictions and mandates, and a thick bureaucracy to keep us “safe”. 

Edited July 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The pandemic restored Britain’s stature to me because of their independence on vaccine production, their rapid deployment of remedies, and their fast removal of restrictions and mandates.  They left the EU because the members of the EU aren’t in charge of their own countries.  Brussels is.  What’s more, Europe is beholden to all the unaccountable international political organizations that want us to commit hari kari or live like shut-ins to fight climate change or Covid or some other excuse for government overreach.  Britain is a sovereign country.  The US is divided between states that assert US sovereignty and those that accept woke-green narratives and think the country doesn’t deserve to exist.  Canada under Trudeau unfortunately sits in the latter camp.  The Crown is a reminder of the strong parliamentary and common law traditions that are foundational to Canada.

I’d rather keep those links than trust Liberal Post-National State, Davos, or the Club of Rome.  After the Emergencies Act Trucker Convoy fiasco, Trudeau high-tailed it to visit the Queen to gain legitimacy.  France gave up on New France (Quebec).   Quebec gave up on the Catholic Church (the Holy Roman Empire).   Yet Loyalist Ontario and anglophone Alberta and Saskatchewan maintain the Catholic education systems.  English Canada preserves French Canada, not the reverse.

We need to know where our strength lies and preserve it. Otherwise it’s Disney Princess Post-National State Canada where federal politicians care more about serving international elites than the citizens, but the public is docile and the Mounties look quaint.  A China-light mix of state-funded Canadian media, restrictions, and a thick bureaucracy to keep us “safe”. 

my point was simply that overthrowing the monarchy would make the situation worse not better

anti-commie is towards the Queen

going in the other direction is making Canada more commie not less

[ExFlyer]

So, back to topic of truckers Debacle.

Seems Lich has once again failed in her attempt at getting bail even super lawyer Greenspon could not make a case so, there she sits. 48 days in jail so far. Hope being a fool on a fools errand was worth it. Thing is, she will probably get off but will have had to spend all this time in jail.  Time she will never get back, ever. And when it is all over, if she even get nailed for littering, her past will haunt her.

"Lich was ordered to remain in jail to await trial for her role in the protest that paralyzed downtown Ottawa in February, after the court decided she had breached her bail conditions. "

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/tamara-lich-once-again-argues-for-freedom-from-jail-at-bail-review-hearing-5620973?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AutoPilot

Edited July 25, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

So, back to topic of truckers Debacle.

Seems Lich has once again failed in her attempt at getting bail even super lawyer Greenspon could not make a case so, there she sits. 48 days in jail so far. Hope being a fool on a fools errand was worth it. Thing is, she will probably get off but will have had to spend all this time in jail.  Time she will never get back, ever. And when it is all over, if she even get nailed for littering, her past will haunt her.

"Lich was ordered to remain in jail to await trial for her role in the protest that paralyzed downtown Ottawa in February, after the court decided she had breached her bail conditions. "

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/tamara-lich-once-again-argues-for-freedom-from-jail-at-bail-review-hearing-5620973?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AutoPilot

Shadenfraude 

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Shadenfraude 

Nein, ich beobachte nur die Dummheit 
und ihre Folgen

Edited July 25, 2022 by ExFlyer

[OftenWrong]

What has happened to her is a personal tragedy, but it also exposes the level of fear and anger coming from the Fed.

I understand some of the charges were laid retroactively, in other words were not a crime at the time they were committed. It weighs on my conscience, as a Canadian.

At the very least this case should be brought to the courts immediately. However that may not be in the government's interest. They probably do not have a solid case. Much as we are seeing in other areas, what the government did under the guise of safety from covid was illegal and they know it.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

What has happened to her is a personal tragedy, but it also exposes the level of fear and anger coming from the Fed.

I understand some of the charges were laid retroactively, in other words were not a crime at the time they were committed. It weighs on my conscience, as a Canadian.

At the very least this case should be brought to the courts immediately. However that may not be in the government's interest. They probably do not have a solid case. Much as we are seeing in other areas, what the government did under the guise of safety from covid was illegal and they know it.

Really terrible. 

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

What has happened to her is a personal tragedy, but it also exposes the level of fear and anger coming from the Fed.

I understand some of the charges were laid retroactively, in other words were not a crime at the time they were committed. It weighs on my conscience, as a Canadian.

At the very least this case should be brought to the courts immediately. However that may not be in the government's interest. They probably do not have a solid case. Much as we are seeing in other areas, what the government did under the guise of safety from covid was illegal and they know it.

The feds have no control over local police laying charges, provincial courts or provincial judges.

I agree, it is taking far too long to go to court but, who is to blame for that? Perhaps the lawyers for the charged?  It took one guy 150 days to select a lawyer. Then the super lawyer for another  one could not provide enough evidence to get her released on breaching bail. I suspect those that are charged are dragging this whole thing

Interjecting your own personal opinion on what is going on in the courts and why is nonsensical.

[ExFlyer]

More drama for Lich

'Enough is enough,' Tamara Lich's lawyers say as 'Freedom Convoy' leader appears before fifth judge to argue release

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/enough-is-enough-tamara-lich-s-lawyers-say-as-freedom-convoy-leader-appears-before-fifth-judge-to-argue-release/ar-AAZY7sc?ocid=windirect&cvid=4e149ba6d34d4acebad24a9945c5de80

[Queenmandy85]

Deleted until I have more time to post something of merit. (Don't hold your breath)

Edited July 26, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The feds have no control over local police laying charges, provincial courts or provincial judges.

That may be so up front but that is not how the system actually works. If you think the PM or attorney general, or cabinet minister cannot influence a case, to the extent they can delay a trial then you live in a nice, safe dreamland where everyone is a-political, honest and true. 

[ExFlyer]

52 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That may be so up front but that is not how the system actually works. If you think the PM or attorney general, or cabinet minister cannot influence a case, to the extent they can delay a trial then you live in a nice, safe dreamland where everyone is a-political, honest and true. 

Uh, yeah...No.

I live in the real world, not the paranoiac one your seem to reside in.

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Uh, yeah...No.

I live in the real world, not the paranoiac one your seem to reside in.

No need for garbage here. I think it’s fair to say you trust and put faith in government. I do not. To me government is a necessary evil that needs to be carefully controlled to actually be useful. This is from experience, not theories.

[ExFlyer]

48 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No need for garbage here. I think it’s fair to say you trust and put faith in government. I do not. To me government is a necessary evil that needs to be carefully controlled to actually be useful. This is from experience, not theories.

I am as skeptical as the next guy. I am just  not paranoid about it.

Government is there to ensure that you, the citizen gets all the things you want and need.

And yes, it certainly need to have check and balances.

[Zeitgeist]

53 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No need for garbage here. I think it’s fair to say you trust and put faith in government. I do not. To me government is a necessary evil that needs to be carefully controlled to actually be useful. This is from experience, not theories.

The sacred Shakled Leviathan in the Corridor of liberal-democracy.