ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I believe that protesters have the right to impede the government, to bring it to a stand still if not, there would be no Civil Rights Act if not, South Africa would still be ruled by Apartheid the whole point of protests is to bring things to a halt otherwise, they have no effect the idea that the only thing you're allowed to do is wave a placard where and when the government allows you to ? that is not a free country, that is an authoritarian state like Russia or China Perhaps but they did not impeded anything except local traffic and local residents peace. Parliament just went on as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: bear in mind I took the vaccine in good faith I was not opposed to vaccine mandates per se can a private business demand that you be vaccinated for a job ? I would say yes can the school system demand that your children be vaccinated to attend school ? I would say yes I was not that interested in the Freedom Convoy at first, as a vaccine mandate protest I would not actually protest the vaccine mandates it was only when the protests themselves were declared to be "illegal" that I started to protest there is no such thing as an "illegal protest" in a free & democratic society The protest was never deemed or said to be illegal. The street blockades, the noise, the camping on the street s were declared illegal under existing laws and bylaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Perhaps but they did not impeded anything except local traffic and local residents peace. Parliament just went on as usual. exactly which is why declaring this to be an "illegal protest" warranting the Emergencies act is authoritarian like Russia or China 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: The street blockades, the noise, the camping on the street s were declared illegal under existing laws and bylaws. you cant read the riot act and sic the RCMP tactical teams on protesters for violating a bylaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No no, perhaps you dont read too goodly. Im interested in the legal arguments. What you are peddling is one man’s opinion. You said so, yourself. So that is your narrative and belief. I’m sorry if I don’t want to absorb your brainwashing... Man, you certainly are on your own planet. I am a informing that there will be a TV report. You make up your own mind whether you want to watch it or not. If it does not fit your ideology or narrative, then don't. If you want to be open minded and see all sides, then watch it. I personally do not care what you believe in or what you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: you cant read the riot act and sic the RCMP tactical teams on protesters for violating a bylaw Actually, Wellington Street is NCC property so by default, the RCMP have control of it. Normally, the Ottawa police take care of it but when there are protests (lots of them), RCMP are always there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Actually, Wellington Street is NCC property so by default, the RCMP have control of it. Normally, the Ottawa police take care of it but when there are protests (lots of them), RCMP are always there. they are not empowered to beat people up on the street for any reason the level of violence employed by the police was criminal you can't violently assault protesters for refusing to stop protesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: they are not empowered to beat people up on the street for any reason the level of violence employed by the police was criminal you can't violently assault protesters for refusing to stop protesting I am not going to get into that. Too may personal and emotional opinions. I live in Ottawa and watched the day long live broadcasts flicking form one network to another and there were all networks there including Fox and CNN, even BBC. To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown. Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur. I am quite sure no one was assaulted for just protesting. Maybe, just maybe, some were forced to vacate once given warning to leave the premises peacefully (which apparently many did). They were given 24 hours notice that the authorities were going to clear Wellington and other occupied streets and to peacefully leave. Many did, some did not and sufferer the consequences of their non compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I am not going to get into that. Too may personal and emotional opinions. I live in Ottawa and watched the day long live broadcasts flicking form one network to another and there were all networks there including Fox and CNN, even BBC. To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown. Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur. I am quite sure no one was assaulted for just protesting. Maybe, just maybe, some were forced to vacate once given warning to leave the premises peacefully (which apparently many did). They were given 24 hours notice that the authorities were going to clear Wellington and other occupied streets and to peacefully leave. Many did, some did not and sufferer the consequences of their non compliance. well I certainly am emotional : human being but in this case I am not following emotion, but rather logic annoying as the protest may have been for some, it was not in any way a riot yet the government read the riot act and sicced the riot squad on them that is what the Russian MVD does to protesters in Moscow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 in order to have the right, you have to have the means so Justin Trudeau says you don't have a right to use a gun for self defence in Canada that means you don't really have an effective way of defending yourself thus you in effect have no right to self defence at all in terms of protesting, if the government can declare an effective protest to be a "riot" then you have no effective way of protesting thus you in effect have no right to protest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 50 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown. Do you find it weird that CNN was calling the violent riots in the US "mostly peaceful" and then advocating for an abrupt end to the Freedom Convoy and their dastardly bouncy castles of death? Is it weird that CNN didn't cover the story of a peaceful protester who surrendered on his knees and then got beaten severely by the shrouded cops without bodycams? I'm pretty sure that if a Floyd Protester had surrendered on his knees and then got beaten up by cops, CNN would have made that headline news for a month. "Rodney King v 2.0!!!" Quote Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur. Showing "things"? They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it. yeah, that was the final straw for me too that was not law enforcement, that was punitive retaliation for daring to defy the government 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 growing up in Canada, I never felt any fear of the Canadian government, nor the Ontario government I was a Liberal then, Pierre Trudeau was an heroic figure Bill Davis was the best Premier I have never been charged with an offence, never arrested for a criminal offence I even trusted my chain of command in the armed forces my CO, my RSM, I truly looked up to them, I emulated them but I really do fear Canada now this is like an Orwellian dystopic Canada out of a dark science fiction future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Man, you certainly are on your own planet. I am a informing that there will be a TV report. You make up your own mind whether you want to watch it or not. If it does not fit your ideology or narrative, then don't. If you want to be open minded and see all sides, then watch it. I personally do not care what you believe in or what you do. Thank you for being an informer. Access denied, access denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: I am quite sure no one was assaulted for just protesting. Only if assault does not include being trampled under hoof especially little old ladies who are handicapped and native Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 55 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Only if assault does not include being trampled under hoof especially little old ladies who are handicapped and native so you see it's really all about cronies to the government they are the tyrants reason being : the money printing the government prints money and uses it to buy cronies this is the true nature of moral hazard and so you can then see that the only thing that will end the tyranny is the central bank running out of room to print money from the future and in that sense, the corrosive inflation is your friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 in the end protests don't matter elections don't matter the only way to bring down the tyrannical establishment elites entrenched in Canada now is a crisis to discredit them with the masses a crisis so catastophic that it will alter the culture of Canada upstream from politics a massive inflation, followed by a spiralling deflation and thankfully, that is the course these corrupt & inept elites are set upon you just have to figure out a way to ride out the storm otherwise known as : embrace the suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Do you find it weird that CNN was calling the violent riots in the US "mostly peaceful" and then advocating for an abrupt end to the Freedom Convoy and their dastardly bouncy castles of death? Is it weird that CNN didn't cover the story of a peaceful protester who surrendered on his knees and then got beaten severely by the shrouded cops without bodycams? I'm pretty sure that if a Floyd Protester had surrendered on his knees and then got beaten up by cops, CNN would have made that headline news for a month. "Rodney King v 2.0!!!" Showing "things"? They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it. You know, it is not easy to have a reasonable discussion without your bullshit smeared all over it. Get over your paranoia and try to have a decent discussion instead your constant biased BS. Go stroke Vizi, it seems the only thing you have going for yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Thank you for being an informer. Access denied, access denied. How stupid can you be...Oh wait, I can tell by your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Only if assault does not include being trampled under hoof especially little old ladies who are handicapped and native What kind of BS post is that?? Oh yeah, typical often wrong one LOL If you are going to use an example, make sure it is an accurate one LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You know, it is not easy to have a reasonable discussion without your bullshit smeared all over it. Get over your paranoia and try to have a decent discussion instead your constant biased BS. Go stroke Vizi, it seems the only thing you have going for yourself. Anger/Alcohol issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Anger/Alcohol issues? Nope, not at all. Conversing with a narrow-minded asshole issue. Easy to have on this forum. Almost like discussing things with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Anger/Alcohol issues? I have some cause I'm f*cking Canadian, eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I have some cause I'm f*cking Canadian, eh Anger or alcohol or both? Anger OK. Alcohol, sorry to hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Anger or alcohol or both? Anger OK. Alcohol, sorry to hear that I got it under control, sir never had a charge for drinking, I never drink and drive my two 129's are for brawling off duty, not drunk on duty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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