Trucker's Convoy

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, West said:

?. 

Read a bit about the arguments of the case. The issue was that specific case was overly broad. 

Show me where.  Provide your own citation and explain what you're talking about.  That's certainly not part of the link I provided.  

3 minutes ago, West said:

There's a reason why saskatchewan government gave a directive in November NOT to enforce the proof of vaccine/testing requirements. 

Sure.  The government made a political decision to end some of their mandates.  That fact speaks nothing to the legal validity of those mandates, which have been supported and upheld in Court as you've just seen.  The Attorney General and the Justice couldn't have been any clearer in the language of the ruling back in October.  

[Michael Hardner]

Has there, in history, been a protest with such delusional and ill-informed leadership ?  I really am asking this question.

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, suds said:

I don't blame the truckers for doing what they're doing.  I don't blame those living, or those owning businesses in the affected downtown areas, from being upset. So how about we end the vaccine mandate (at least for the truckers anyway) and get these guys (and gals) back on the highway and doing what they do best?  

TBH, all that they can achieve from this end is ending the restriction against truckers coming north from the US. It's Biden that's blocking our truckers from coming south.

These guys want an end to all mandates and passports and they're 100% correct in doing so.

Our PM's hatemongering needs to stop, period. There's no other solution. 

[myata]

There's no way to prove that another wave of infections wouldn't happen even after a year of no cases in most countries. And by the governments logic (I mean every kind, legislative, judicial I see nothing here that managed to preserve reason, independence and objectivity) it's enough for the sacral "out of abundance of caution" mantra. If it's happening, to0 bad for you. And if it's not, then it can happen, too bad.

The governments here, with no working checks and constraints from the get go, were edging on this for a while. And all of a sudden, look out the window we have arrived: we have unaccountable, authoritarian governments imposing arbitrary restrictions and no one can do and wouldn't be able to do anything about it ever, till at some unknown point they decide to relax them and if. This is like repeating to a child don't play with fire while giving them a matchbox in a paper house.

Edited February 10, 2022 by myata

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Has there, in history, been a protest with such delusional and ill-informed leadership ?  I really am asking this question.

I am really certain that was less of a question than a cheap insult posed as a question, just because you knew that your position was so untenable. 

Has there, in history, been a more delusional and ill-informed question no there hasn't been. 

[West]

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Show me where.  Provide your own citation and explain what you're talking about.  That's certainly not part of the link I provided.  

Sure.  The government made a political decision to end some of their mandates.  That fact speaks nothing to the legal validity of those mandates, which have been supported and upheld in Court as you've just seen.  The Attorney General and the Justice couldn't have been any clearer in the language of the ruling back in October.  

The government didn't enforce their proof of vaccine policy because it was probably illegal. According to off the record staff there was a directive not to enforce it. 

thestarphoenix.com/news/saskatchewan/vaccine-testing-mandate-for-sask-health-care-goes-unenforced/wcm/3b219917-a765-4e6c-9bc2-e7f2cb0241cc/amp/

That case was brought before the mandates were implemented (end of September) based on hypothetical harm. The decision in the case was the correct one as it was too broad. In the case of losing your job over the mandate, that would be actual harm. You argue it based on protected grounds and build a case. That's how Charter challenges work. 

Again the government IS NOT arguing there's no limitations on Charter grounds just that somehow they are justified

Edited February 10, 2022 by West

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Has there, in history, been a protest with such delusional and ill-informed leadership ?  I really am asking this question.

I'm sure somewhere, at some point.  There's probably been a pro-NAMBLA demonstration somewhere that could give this a run for its money.  

Thankfully the lunatic fringe is such a silly mob of angry and incoherent nonsense that their demonstrations only serve to marginalize them further.  

[blackbird]

Ottawa police chief Sloly is speaking now and advised there are 126 active criminal investigations.  Over 1550 tickets have been issued.  This is all fine but it is not ending the protests.  Negotiation and talk is not the solution.  Arresting illegal protesters is the only thing that will work.

CBC also reports 17 million dollars has been donated so far to this criminal interprise.  Much of the money reportedly coming from Trumpster radicals in the U.S.

It is time to start forcefully arresting protesters and hauling them to jails and end this anarchy and blockades that is hurting Canadians.  This is an assault on our democratic system by one of the most powerful countries on earth.  It is costing Canadians millions of dollars in police costs and economic damage and loss of jobs.  Time to wake up.

Edited February 10, 2022 by blackbird

[myata]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

been a protest with such delusional and ill-informed leadership ?

Is it a fact established by objective means? Or a private opinion?

On the former, there's no record of a public consideration and deliberation so not a fact. Then the latter is the only option. Then the question can only be addressed to yourself. Then what is the point of posting it in the public forum?

But thanks, indeed. It illustrates well the mentality in the country's elite circles: if someone showed a disagreement, they have to be "delusional" and all sorts of ill. They don't and maybe past the point where they even could consider a possibility of valid points different from theirs, not to mention that they themselves can be in the wrong.

Edited February 10, 2022 by myata

[Moonbox]

2 minutes ago, West said:

The government didn't enforce their proof of vaccine policy because it was probably illegal.

Nope.  They already ruled it was legal ?

You're just making stuff up!

2 minutes ago, West said:

According to off the record staff there was a directive not to enforce it. 

thestarphoenix.com/news/saskatchewan/vaccine-testing-mandate-for-sask-health-care-goes-unenforced/wcm/3b219917-a765-4e6c-9bc2-e7f2cb0241cc/amp/

Sure. That's very likely true.  Choosing not to enforce a measure doesn't mean it was illegal.  It means that the government felt it was too unpopular or the benefits of enforcing it weren't worth the trouble.  That's it.  Anything beyond that is your own conjecture.  

2 minutes ago, West said:

That case was brought before the mandates were implemented (end of September) based on hypothetical harm. The decision in the case was the correct one as it was too broad. In the case of losing your job over the mandate, that would be actual harm. You argue it based on protected grounds and build a case. That's how Charter challenges work

Again, no.  The workplace mandates have continually and consistently been upheld.  The harm of losing your job because you choose to be a goof is not being considered sufficient to successfully challenge any of these measures.  They are failing through Union arbitrators, they are failing in higher courts - they are failing everywhere.  

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/vaccine-mandates-1.6342193

https://www.cba.org/Sections/Administrative-Law/Articles/2021/Ontario-Courts-reject-challenges-to-Ontario-govern

I can keep going with these.  They're not hard to find.  Try to provide some substance to your arguments, rather than wishful fantasy.  

[blackbird]

The police chief reports the tow truck companies and their employees have received threats.  This criminal activity is also being investigated.   This again is all linked to the Trumpster terrorists and extremists and their money.  They appear to be trying to overthrow our democratic system and set up a Fascist kind of system.

Edited February 10, 2022 by blackbird

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, suds said:

I don't blame the truckers for doing what they're doing.  I don't blame those living, or those owning businesses in the affected downtown areas, from being upset. So how about we end the vaccine mandate (at least for the truckers anyway) and get these guys (and gals) back on the highway and doing what they do best?  70% of US/Canada trade is hauled by truck which includes food and medical supplies. The problem is not the truckers, it's Trudeau.  It's his job to do what's best for the country and not his reputation or the Liberal party.

Over 90% truckers are on the highway, except the ones being blocked by these morons and their supporters. Tell that to the auto workers who are now being laid off for lack of parts.

[blackbird]

The Ottawa police chief said fake emergency calls are coming in from the U.S. to try to overload and paralyze the emergency 911 system.   All of this is serious criminal activity.

[Accountability Now]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Has there, in history, been a protest with such delusional and ill-informed leadership ?  I really am asking this question.

I guess that happens with a protest of this size. Has there ever been a larger protest in Canada?

[CITIZEN_2015]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ottawa police chief Sloly is speaking now and advised there are 126 active criminal investigations.  Over 1550 tickets have been issued.  This is all fine but it is not ending the protests.  Negotiation and talk is not the solution.  Arresting illegal protesters is the only thing that will work.

CBC also reports 17 million dollars has been donated so far to this criminal interprise.  Much of the money reportedly coming from Trumpster radicals in the U.S.

It is time to start forcefully arresting protesters and hauling them to jails and end this anarchy and blockades that is hurting Canadians.  This is an assault on our democratic system by one of the most powerful countries on earth.  It is costing Canadians millions of dollars in police costs and economic damage and loss of jobs.  Time to wake up.

Ottawa police does not have enough manpower and its request for 1800 additional officers from Federal and Provincial governments has not yet been granted more than 72 hours after. In addition some of these people could be very violent and a smaller some could be even armed. It is not a simple task to arrest them and haul them to jail without serious injury or even deaths on both sides. There is a possible violent backslash with  undesirable consequences on both sides Ottawa police did not sign up for any of these.

 Military machinery can be used to move the trucks however, the use of military should be limited to machinery. This is not a military dictatorship or an islamic republic to send assault armed forces against a revolting civilian population to crush the movement no matter how illegal it may be, they are still our fellow Canadians. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Over 90% truckers are on the highway, except the ones being blocked by these morons and their supporters. Tell that to the auto workers who are now being laid off for lack of parts.

Well if this industry is that badly effected by 10 % of it's workers taking a stand ,then maybe we are looking at another industry in trouble...and while Canadians are getting pissed around the country why are they not putting their hands up to drive trucks...

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Ottawa police does not have enough manpower and its request for 1800 additional officers from Federal and Provincial government has not yet been granted more than 72 hours after. In addition some of these people could be very violent and a smaller some could be even armed. It is not a simple task to arrest them and haul them to jail without serious injury or even deaths on both sides. There is a possible violent backslash with  undesired consequences on both sides Ottawa police did not sign up for any of these.

 Military machinery can be used to move the trucks however, the use of military should be limited to machinery. This is not a military dictatorship or an islamic republic to send assault armed forces against a revolting civilian population to crush the movement no matter how illegal it may be, they are still our fellow Canadians. 

I don't have any sympathy for criminals who are holding Canadians hostage.  I wouldn't call them fellow Canadians as if they are law-abiding people.  They are manipulated and controlled by foreign terrorist minded radicals and extremists.

The CBC asked for comments form a protester at the Ambassador bridge and they don't have a clue of the damage they are causing to thousands of people and the economy of 450 millions of dollars a day.  The protesters think they are just expressing their opinion.  No clue of what they are doing.  Kind of like a child given a loaded gun.

Edited February 10, 2022 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Ottawa police chief said fake emergency calls are coming in from the U.S. to try to overload and paralyze the emergency 911 system.   All of this is serious criminal activity.

This stupid action will jeopardize the life and safety of Ottawa residents. What if a real 911 call comes and was ignored as prank? Those calls should be traced and criminal charges laid for those damn criminals.

Edited February 10, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't have any sympathy for criminals who are holding Canadians hostage.  I wouldn't call them fellow Canadians as if they are law-abiding people.  They are manipulated and controlled by foreign terrorist minded radicals and extremists.

I agree with you SOME of them are and funded by illegal foreign elements but they are mostly Canadian citizens until  recently bringing food and essentials to our kitchens in their trucks. Those harassing or assaulting should be punished according to our laws but without a risk of serious injury or bloodshed.

Edited February 10, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 Thankfully the lunatic fringe is such a silly mob of angry and incoherent nonsense that their demonstrations only serve to marginalize them further.  

But it also makes resolution a higher risk problem.  

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

I guess that happens with a protest of this size. Has there ever been a larger protest in Canada?

How 'big' is the protest exactly ?  How many people are there in the convoy ?  I heard 200-300.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

OMG

Do you ever think about what you post?  The irony is just......glaring.

I certainly do. Your opinion of the charter is just that, an opinion. Just like mine.

[DogOnPorch]

 

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Well if this industry is that badly effected by 10 % of it's workers taking a stand ,then maybe we are looking at another industry in trouble...and while Canadians are getting pissed around the country why are they not putting their hands up to drive trucks...

Parts flow both ways across the border. American auto workers are getting laid off as well. You guys either have no clue of the damage you are causing or just don't care.

How the hell do you think get parts across the border. The US is our largest trading partner, everyone who relies on cross border trade is being held hostage by a few truckers and their idiot children supporters.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Aristides

[Accountability Now]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

How 'big' is the protest exactly ?  How many people are there in the convoy ?  I heard 200-300.

Not sure. The photos I’ve seen show a hell of a lot more people but maybe they aren’t part of the convoy. 
 

How many would you say are in other sizable protests? I’m guessing this one is the largest but don’t know for sure