Moonbox Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: FOX News exposing Canadian MSM for the joke it is Trucker Carlson FTW This would be really funny if I didn't know you were actually serious. Actually it's still funny! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I expect that the authoritarian fuckheads will be ignored. Democratic legitimacy requires more than a formal stamp and a chair. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Vaccinated people are far less likely to be hospitalized. So who is lying? Hospitalizations is not spread. You said vaccines reduce spread and now have flipped your story to hospitalizations. Your recent response shows that you are either completely ignorant to the differences or you are willfully lying which is a forum violation. Which is it? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, myata said: Democratic legitimacy requires more than a formal stamp and a chair. This is a MOVEMENT. Global it turns out. Those that take the authoritarians' side will be disappointed. Perhaps people will view them the same when it's over. Perhaps they can be forgiven. Edited February 11, 2022 by DogOnPorch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Accountability Now said: either completely ignorant to the differences or you are willfully lying which is a forum violation This would be about 11th or 17th time he's having this kind of observation here. I fully expect the ultimate number could be lost somewhere in the natural infinity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Those that take the authoritarians' side will be disappointed. Perhaps people will view them the same when it's over. This is a normal, regular process of democratic renewal. Nothing lives forever and the democracy in the least. Either democracy is renewed again and for another term, never forever and authoritarians disappointed. Or democracy withers and ceases in spirit if not formality of the stamp and chair. Either one works, and both have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, myata said: This would be about 11th or 17th time he's having this kind of observation here. I fully expect the ultimate number could be lost somewhere in the natural infinity. The sad thing is he has no interest in actually debating things honestly as it might lead to him learning something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Accountability Now said: Hospitalizations is not spread. You said vaccines reduce spread and now have flipped your story to hospitalizations. Your recent response shows that you are either completely ignorant to the differences or you are willfully lying which is a forum violation. Which is it? What these guys do. It's also debatable if they actually prevent hospitalizations as hospitalizations are now roughly equivalent based on population size. Stats are definitely skewed in favor of the vaccinated as most vaccinated people wouldn't have ended up in hospital regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, myata said: This is a normal, regular process of democratic renewal. Nothing lives forever and the democracy in the least. Either democracy is renewed again and for another term, never forever and authoritarians disappointed. Or democracy withers and ceases in spirit if not formality of the stamp and chair. Either one works, and both have happened. Madame Guillotine awaits...as JT and his cohorts must be well aware of by now. Be it figurative or literal...heads will roll. Canadians won't stand to be turned into a Red Chinese style dictatorship of the Bureaucracy with passes and scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Canadians won't stand to be turned into a Red Chinese style dictatorship of the Bureaucracy with passes and scores. I hope so. And it's up to them to decide this now, as always and again. Can't sleep one's way into a great democratic future. Authoritarian past and worse, never a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, West said: It's also debatable if they actually prevent hospitalizations as hospitalizations are now roughly equivalent based on population size. Exactly. Cases used to be the big talking point as there was a major difference but that became even. Hospitalizations are the same. They are closing the gap based on population which puts them to the new talking point of ICU. Even if they can show a subtle difference that can benefit the vaccinated, one must ask why they are bragging about it when vaccines are supposed to provide substantial benefit. It’s like the Edmonton Oilers bragging about beating a Pee Wee hockey team 3-2. Sure they can show they score more but they should never talk of a victory that shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Canadians won't stand to be turned into a Red Chinese style dictatorship of the Bureaucracy with passes and scores. Really? because there was an election recently that is evidence of the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Boges said: Really? because there was an election recently that is evidence of the contrary. as vaccine rates move past 80% to 90% you start to wonder who the audience is... I guess it's the 17% who strongly support the insurgents... the recent election had Trudeau lose the popular vote again, to a centrist conservative who was thereupon dumped. go people go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, myata said: I hope so. And it's up to them to decide this now, as always and again. Can't sleep one's way into a great democratic future. Authoritarian past and worse, never a problem. Well, they've got a little taste of it with those constant moving goal posts. Canadians noticed that no matter how fast they ran or pretended to enjoy the government's whip, the curve was never flattened...never going to be flattened. Those mandates and passports were not going to go anywhere. They'd have NEW uses if the virus was ever defeated 100% (hah). Never-mind the realization by a few that bothered to search that China did this to us on purpose with the WHO's assistance...and with our government's apparent participation providing the virus samples. Edited February 11, 2022 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Accountability Now said: Exactly. Cases used to be the big talking point as there was a major difference but that became even. Hospitalizations are the same. They are closing the gap based on population which puts them to the new talking point of ICU. Even if they can show a subtle difference that can benefit the vaccinated, one must ask why they are bragging about it when vaccines are supposed to provide substantial benefit. It’s like the Edmonton Oilers bragging about beating a Pee Wee hockey team 3-2. Sure they can show they score more but they should never talk of a victory that shallow. The crisis that Omicron wrought is that so many people got it, causing Labour shortages in all industries, more specifically Healthcare created a temporary crunch. Estimates are that around 4 million people in Ontario were infected. The restrictions were fairly narrow and temporary. The protestors are right, we're all sick of COVID restriction. But their tactics are appalling and will only help the political factions they oppose. That's why JT won't engage with them, he doesn't want to dignify their behaviour with a response. They're not worth the waste of oxygen. Edited February 11, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Boges said: Really? because there was an election recently that is evidence of the contrary. Yes Adolf, we all saw the last election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes Adolf, we all saw the last election. Adolf won one election. JT's won three. Edited February 11, 2022 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Boges said: Adolf won one election. JT's won three. So you have a better Adolf, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: as vaccine rates move past 80% to 90% you start to wonder who the audience is... I guess it's the 17% who strongly support the insurgents... the recent election had Trudeau lose the popular vote again, to a centrist conservative who was thereupon dumped. go people go... I'm fully vaccinated and think it's dumb that I still have to wear a mask and flash my personal health information to eat in a restaurant. Lots of people feel the same way. I'm also not perpetually afraid that the guy in the booth next to me may have made a different decision regarding the vaccine. If it works the way they say it does I should have nothing to worry about. The fact we are in masks still shows the ineffectiveness of the vaccine and certainly undercuts the narrative that a pass is warrented Edited February 11, 2022 by West 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 And I know incredulity won't allow some brains to function properly... https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/questions-surround-canadian-shipment-of-deadly-viruses-to-china-66254 https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/a-look-at-chinas-biowarfare-ambitions/ We did notice at the time (2019 and before).....but zzzzzzzzz. What virus? Back to sleep Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Protests spreading across Canada, and the world. Looks like a "Canadian Spring" is on the way! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 Regular ?? OTTAWA Citizens ? Speak Up About ? PROTEST ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Protests spreading across Canada, and the world. Looks like a "Canadian Spring" is on the way! Read the room.... If you don't know how to negotiate reasonably, then you don't belong in politics. And I see now Poilievre is still with them so there is still hope I suppose...https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-federal-conservatives-call-for-an-end-to-all-blockades-after-first/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Boges said: But their tactics are appalling and will only help the political factions they oppose. That's why JT won't engage with them, he doesn't want to dignify their behaviour with a response. They're not worth the waste of oxygen. I don’t agree with the blockades but I wouldn’t say they are appalling. There are a small minority of those involved doing appalling things but that happens with most protests. One still has to prove that the people doing those things are actually with the convoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Read the room.... If you don't know how to negotiate reasonably, then you don't belong in politics. And I see now Poilievre is still with them so there is still hope I suppose...https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-federal-conservatives-call-for-an-end-to-all-blockades-after-first/ You read the room. Here's what I read- I like how the new CPC leader is on one hand photographed smiling among truck protesters, then releases a statement like "The truck convoy protesters voices have been heard. We hear you. Now it's time to go home." - She speaky from both sides mouthy - No idea what a protest is actually about - In other words, just another political opportunist. - Get lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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